A user new to TiA doesn't believe in lurking. Things go South. (np.reddit.com)
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59 comments submitted at 08:40:53 on Jan 3, 2014 by YAAAAAHHHHH
A user new to TiA doesn't believe in lurking. Things go South. (np.reddit.com)
SubredditDrama
115 ups - 36 downs = 79 votes
59 comments submitted at 08:40:53 on Jan 3, 2014 by YAAAAAHHHHH
Oof...I keep hearing good things about TiA but that post is kinda ridiculous. It sounds like a mild rant on a gal's personal tumblr. That's pretty lame. Is TiA always like that?
Let's put it this way: if you like or suspect yourself of being a social justice warrior, it's not the sub for you. If you can rant about "the patriarchy" or accuse someone of "tone policing" each with a straight face, it's not the sub for you.
Hm...I don't think I'm any of those things and I also don't think it's gonna be the sub for me.
Well, to be frank, I've seen your username around and given a number of the comments you've made, you're right, it really isn't the sub for you.
Okay, you'll be Frank and I'll be Shirley!
Would I have to know a lot about tumblr/SJWs? The only knowledge I have is from this sub, really. Otherwise I'm in the dark.
Trust me, it wouldn't be your cup of tea.
That's a shame. I kept hearing they were pretty good at sticking with the intense crazies. Oh well.
Well, it's a spectrum, isn't it? No one's got the definitive answer of where reasonable ends and crazy begins. I imagine you and I could each agree that, say, a feminist literally calling for gendercide is a hysterical nut.
However, while I consider claims of the existence of a general "rape culture" in America (despite the U.S. being a society that demonizes and zealously prosecutes rapists -- with good cause!) to be nearly as crazy, a lot of the people laughing at the gendercide feminist get deathly serious.
The sub tends to stick to the most egregious examples of social justice gone mad, but you really cannot go in there with any sacred cows.
They are. The intense crazies are getting more and more widespread, though.
Eh, maybe someday.
>Is TiA always like that?
Always? No. But sometimes it is, yes. It seems like some users really really love to post stuff like that, and then be like "CHECKMATE, FEMINISTS" as if teenagers on tumblr are representing anyone but themselves and their own sometimes crazy viewpoints.
I liked when some of them went full potato on Hank Green because of his supposed misuse of the word "abuse" when, get this, the entire point of their sub is to make fun of people that get overly mad at the misuse of words. People offended by words offended by people who were offended by words.
Delicious.
>I liked when some of them went full potato on Hank Green because of his supposed misuse of the word "abuse" when, get this, the entire point of their sub is to make fun of people that get overly mad at the misuse of words.
Which wasn't ironic at all, considering that no one got "overly mad" at Hank Green misusing the word. They just pointed out the stupidity of him doing so.
Which is really no different than a tumblr post pointing out that calling reverse racism "racism" is a misuse of the word. Or that calling positive discrimination "discrimination" is a misuse of the word. Or that calling misandry real is silly.
They made an argument: this manifestation of bad behavior is not bad enough to count as "abuse," and labeling it as such is inappropriate. And they make fun of people doing exactly that every day with reverse racism, positive discrimination, misandry, and all sorts of shit.
reverse SJ is still SJ ;)
The sub is huge now and filled with angry teenagers, not unlike those on tumblr. Unfortunately, most of that subset of people don't have any self-awareness and can't see that they've become what they hate.
Also, what was the hank green thing?
Here you go
I seriously don't understand how people can't comprehend what 'privilege' is. On the social justice side or the anti-side. Like, if you're a white guy how can you possibly pretend that you are not better off being white than being a black guy in the USA? Even Louis CK understands privilege and has an entire bit about it. It's not some "sjw' fantasy term.
And as for the contents of that link, I don't understand what people are angry about.
They were angry because Green was misusing the word "abuse." Green says that a couple of teenage boys making fun of teenage girls with arm hair (literally all humans have arm hair) is abusive. TiA got mad because "abuse" is supposed to only apply to real adult things, like beating the shit out of your romantic partner and stuff. Green fired back that children are fragile, and that plenty of teenagers are ridiculously oversensitive over things like arm hair -- and that one dumb fuck spouting bullshit on YouTube is enough for a teenager (not an adult) to feel really shitty about themselves.
I personally found it really ironic because a lot of the commenters had not watched the entire video Green was replying to, and TiA regularly makes fun of people who get touchy about the meaning of words. So a lot of TiA users were making a huge semantic argument, saying that using "abuse" that way was disrespectful of actual abuse. Meanwhile, they make fun of people who hold that using the word "racism" against individual instances of prejudice against a white person by a black person is not a valid use of the word "racism."
So it was hypocritical to the extreme.
It looks like our conversation here has rustled the jimmies of a few TIA users. Shocking, right?
Fuck, no. SRD has a big TiA overlap. To an extent, I kind of sympathize with them, because some of the shit people say and do in the name of so-called "social justice" -- like the otherkin and tulpas and bronies -- is fucking crazy and a bit offensive.
But when they become hypocritical, I'm out. I really think that what they're doing needs to be done by people with experience critiquing feminism and sociology or whatever umbrella the shit they find falls under. You can't ask a creationist to critique an evopsych asshole who's gone too far. You call in someone who has experience and academic knowledge in actual evolutionary theory and science.
There's too much "this is completely invalid from top to bottom" in TiA, which is why I'm not there, despite being equally contemptuous of poorly done sociological blatherings. I'm not enough of a masochist to butt heads with people who would spit on my entire academic career. Not all of TiA is like that. But enough that I'm not involved.
I used to be involved in aSRS at the very beginning for the same reasons -- SRS was really, really bad for a while, and it was annoying. I was annoyed by the bad sociology. And then I figured out that the sub I was involved in had even less education and less respect for academia. So, I was out.
>There's too much "this is completely invalid from top to bottom" in TiA, which is why I'm not there,
Me too. EFS said that a rational feminist would be welcomed there to me, but I firmly believe that most of that userbase considers the notion of a 'rational feminist' to be impossible.
Oh we know what "privilege" is. We understand it perfectly.
We just can't stand people that think "check ur privilege" is a legitimate debate tactic (hint: it's not.)
When you get into an argument with somebody over just about anything, and you say "check your privilege", you lose all credibility, and people stop taking you seriously.
>We just can't stand people that think "check ur privilege" is a legitimate debate tactic (hint: it's not.)
It's a good thing that I never implied that it was, then.
>When you get into an argument with somebody over just about anything, and you say "check your privilege", you lose all credibility, and people stop taking you seriously.
I mean, is it literally that phrase which makes someone lose credibility? Or, is saying that, as a middle class white guy, it would be hard to understand what discrimination feels like first-hand?
Help me understand the anti-sjw point of view here, as I seriously don't get it. I mean, I can understand that using the phrase "check your privilege" is a cop out without justifying what you mean, but I don't think that privilege as a concept could make it hard to understand another point of view.