From the man who brought you "the fires of racism have been fanned by Holder, Obama" comes "I love how 20 year old kids know more about politics, economics, and business than I do at 37 years old, having own 4 businesses, heavily involved in politics, and a millionaire." (np.reddit.com)
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160 comments submitted at 02:37:22 on Aug 19, 2014 by JPAIN7
I hate that.
But I also hate people thinking they just know more than someone simply because they're older.
(And the truth is, a kid who has completed Intro to Politics probably know more about politics than your average 50-year-old - even more so with philosophy etc.)
It really depends on the 20 year old and the 50 year old and the subject.
I know a ton more about politics at 45 then I did when I was 20. Well beyond the theory of it and who controls what, but watching it change and morph over the last 25 years is something you cannot teach in a classroom.
...and philosophy, forget about it. You can read all you want about philosophy, but it's real application is in living life. Someone fresh off a course in philosophy is going to know all the buzzwords and who the people to read are, but they aren't going to know what it's like to live with that philosophy for 20 years or develop their own world view.
I'm not much younger than you, and that's total bullshit. Experience is useful, for sure, but the experience of one individual isn't even close to the collected experience of thousands of people. THAT is what you get with education. The idea that someone studying philosophy would know less about it than just some guy does from living his life is laughable.
No, what you get from education is a boiled down, simplified version of whatever. You are not learning 4000 years of experience in a semester long class on philosophy.
As you go through education you are introduced to more complex, multi-faceted versions of it. Then you get out into the real world and do your own studying and living and discover it is more complex than even college led you to believe.
>The idea that someone studying philosophy would know less about it than just some guy does from living his life is laughable.
That isn't what I said. Do you think those 50-year-olds never took a philosophy class? X + 20 years experience beats the hell out of X + .5 years of experience.
>No, what you get from education is a boiled down, simplified version of whatever. You are not learning 4000 years of experience in a semester long class on philosophy.
Spoken like someone without an education. Are you going to learn everything that has been learned in the last 4000 years of Philosophy? Hell no. Are you going to know more than just some mid 40's guy who has a passing knowledge of Philosophy? Hell YES.
>That isn't what I said. Do you think those 50-year-olds never took a philosophy class? X + 20 years experience beats the hell out of X + .5 years of experience.
Sure, but then again, if we are talking about knowledge, the X in your equation is worth more than the rest.
>Spoken like someone without an education.
Actually, I did go to college. After that I worked at one and took a ton of classes on the side. I value education, but it's like a sword; without practice and application it's just a hunk of metal.
>Hell no. Are you going to know more than just some mid 40's guy who has a passing knowledge of Philosophy?
Again, this isn't what I said. That 45 year old also took the same philosophy class you did and an into to philosophy is just a passing knowledge. You don't even scratch the surface of a subject in the first year.
>Sure, but then again, if we are talking about knowledge, the X in your equation is worth more than the rest.
Without the life experiences of a lot of people (Plato, Socrates, Descartes, Archimedes) there wouldn't be education. As you said yourself, education is the " collected experience of thousands of people". Education is simply the passing on of experience.
>Education is simply the passing on of experience
Yes, the collected experiences of many brilliant individuals. That's worth more than the singular experience of "some guy", unless you consider yourself a peer to the most brilliant minds in history?
> I value education, but it's like a sword; without practice and application it's just a hunk of metal.
Nobody is saying experience is worthless, but you are vastly minimizing the importance of education.
>You don't even scratch the surface of a subject in the first year.
Of course not, which is why more education is better.
>Yes, the collected experiences of many brilliant individuals. That's worth more than the singular experience of "some guy", unless you consider yourself a peer to the most brilliant minds in history?
No, but I consider myself a peer to the people who have taken those same classes.
>but you are vastly minimizing the importance of education.
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>No, but I consider myself a peer to the people who have taken those same classes.
If you've taken those classes as well, sure. If you consider someone who has an education in Philosophy to be the peer of someone who has not with respect to Philosophy, then that's simply nonsense.
If you want to feel like an expert in an area of knowledge, you don't need education. If you want to BE an expert in an area of knowledge, an education is invaluable.
My previous quote:
>Again, this isn't what I said. That 45 year old also took the same philosophy class you did and an into to philosophy is just a passing knowledge. You don't even scratch the surface of a subject in the first year.
and the one before that:
>That isn't what I said. Do you think those 50-year-olds never took a philosophy class? X + 20 years experience beats the hell out of X + .5 years of experience.
I haven't once said experience alone, yet it's taken you this long to say:
>If you've taken those classes as well, sure.