Is an Asian American woman dating outside of her race just as bad as wearing sweatshop clothing? This and more in /r/asiantwoX (np.reddit.com)

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287 comments submitted at 21:07:00 on Aug 14, 2014 by InclusionGuilt

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  • jaddeo
  • -21 Points
  • 23:49:10, 14 August

I don't know why people spread this "I can't help who I'm attracted to" shit around. That's what people say when they're too lazy to challenge their own racist beauty standards. I highly doubt that people in less diverse areas of the world live miserable lonely lives because they can't help but not feel any attraction towards 95% of their population.

The Asian men who think Asian women should feel obligated to date them are creepy as fuck. I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole unless there was some sort of a blade attached at the end of it, but you've got your own issues too.

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  • HostileIguana
  • 19 Points
  • 00:53:22, 15 August

>I don't know why people spread this "I can't help who I'm attracted to" shit around. That's what people say when they're too lazy to challenge their own racist beauty standards.

Complete and utter horseshit.

Am I racist because I, a white guy, am not particularly attracted to black women? Now don't get me wrong, I don't think they're unattractive at all, and I would never refuse to date somebody solely because of their race. I just find white women more attractive, but I certainly don't think all (or even most) black women are ugly. No more than any other race.

But to say that you can, or even should change who you're attracted to, or you're a bad person because you have a certain preference, is fucking stupid. THAT is the epitome of lazy thinking and willful ignorance.

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  • jaddeo
  • -22 Points
  • 01:04:24, 15 August

> Am I racist because I, a white guy, am not particularly attracted to black women?

Yes.

> But to say that you can, or even should change who you're attracted to, or you're a bad person because you have a certain preference, is fucking stupid. THAT is the epitome of lazy thinking and willful ignorance.

Lazy thinking and willful ignorance is believing that you just "happen" to find black women unattractive after hundreds of years of black women being shit on the hardest by society.

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  • HostileIguana
  • 13 Points
  • 01:18:37, 15 August

>Yes.

Explain. Does this mean every last white person who is like me is racist?

>Lazy thinking and willful ignorance is believing that you just "happen" to find black women unattractive after hundreds of years of black women being shit on the hardest by society.

Is it really that hard to believe, though? Is a black person a traitor to their own race because they prefer to date white people, or Asian people or Hispanic people or whatever?

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  • jaddeo
  • -12 Points
  • 01:45:39, 15 August

> Explain. Does this mean every last white person who is like me is racist?

Why would you ask that? The answer is obviously "Yes".

> Is it really that hard to believe, though?

It's not hard to believe for me. But it seems hard for you to believe that your "preferences" are racist. Your issues, not mine.

> Is a black person a traitor to their own race because they prefer to date white people, or Asian people or Hispanic people or whatever?

Damn, that's a lot of straw.

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  • HostileIguana
  • 8 Points
  • 02:27:27, 15 August

>It's not hard to believe for me. But it seems hard for you to believe that your "preferences" are racist. Your issues, not mine.

Because they aren't racist, and I don't have issues.

>Damn, that's a lot of straw.

You still didn't answer my question.

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  • zaphod_85
  • 3 Points
  • 04:25:09, 15 August

What is wrong with you???

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  • jaddeo
  • -4 Points
  • 04:36:54, 15 August

Nothing wrong with me actually. Judging by the downvotes, I struck a couple of nerves when I told them that they were racist. White people usually act this way when you're honest to them about their racism, no big deal.

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  • Possible_Novelty
  • 3 Points
  • 04:57:27, 15 August

Maybe, just maybe people are downvoting you because you're claiming they're racist when you really don't have anything to base that on. It's probably not because they're mad or can't accept what you told them, it's probably because your comments don't add to the discussion, they just feed your own ego.

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  • blasto_blastocyst
  • 3 Points
  • 05:39:19, 15 August

You are assuming that racists look like Strom Thurmond. It's very uncomfortable for a right-thinking white person to look in the mirror and say "shit. I am actually racist about some things".

Best to be aware of it and take it into account in your everyday dealings. None of us are perfect, but we don't get better unless we face hard truths about ourselves.

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  • Possible_Novelty
  • 1 Points
  • 05:51:45, 15 August

How many people in the world do you think are racist then? And, if you don't mind me asking, (since you said no one is perfect) are you racist?

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  • Schizophrenetic
  • 1 Points
  • 05:09:24, 15 August

Or maybe you're a crazy pants. When fucking SRD (aren't we notorious for being SRSlite?) disagrees with you, maybe you're the one who's out in left field.

Either way, arguing against your craziness got me a fair amount of karma, so thanks for being a weirdo, I guess.

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  • jaddeo
  • 1 Points
  • 05:58:13, 15 August

You think I hold SRS up to some high standard? I stopped going on SRS because it was filled with racist users.

Enjoy the karma, don't know what good it'll do you.

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  • Schizophrenetic
  • 1 Points
  • 06:06:16, 15 August

You think SRS is RACIST???

Okay, you are definitely from Crazy Town. You might be the mayor!

Can somebody pinch me? Am I dreaming? Is this fucking real??

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  • O-GlcNAc
  • 0 Points
  • 05:46:49, 15 August

Given that the user you're backing is a TiA frequenter, SRD is filled with oppressed white males.

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  • HostileIguana
  • 1 Points
  • 07:28:38, 15 August

How is my post history relevant here?

Also, you do realize we share more subscribers with TiA than any other sub, right?

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  • don-to-koi
  • -11 Points
  • 01:10:14, 15 August

> Am I racist because I, a white guy, am not particularly attracted to black women? Now don't get me wrong, I don't think they're unattractive at all, and I would never refuse to date somebody solely because of their race.

So would you ever date a black woman or wouldn't you?

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  • HostileIguana
  • 14 Points
  • 01:33:25, 15 August

I said I wouldn't say no.

The fact that there aren't very many black people where I live might have something to do with why I'm more likely to date white women. I don't know.

But if I felt our personalities were compatible, and I found her physically attractive, I would absolutely give her a chance. After that, the fact that she's black wouldn't even matter to me. Or my family (thank god.)

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  • FixinThePlanet
  • 7 Points
  • 05:03:56, 15 August

I agree with you.

I am fully aware that I find fairer-skinned men of my own ethnicity far more attractive than darker-skinned ones (while I have no issues finding black men attractive). I also know I find strong accents from my native country terribly unattractive. I know this is because of cultural stereotypes and conditioning that I've lived through all my life.

I am completely frustrated by the number of people here who can't see that being immersed in media that, practically from birth, tells you a certain type of physicality is attractive is likely to make you narrow minded in your attraction to people unless you force yourself out of it. Perhaps you in your heart are not racist, but your tendencies are, people. AND ONLY YOU CAN CHANGE THAT.

sigh.

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  • blasto_blastocyst
  • 3 Points
  • 05:44:14, 15 August

The commentors think racists are gap-toothed, unshaven hillbillies with badly cut mullets. They don't look like that so they can't be. It's hilarious to see the outraged pouting from white guys who always thought they were right-on. They're absolutely spitting with rage.

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  • jaddeo
  • 1 Points
  • 05:52:02, 15 August

I'm nowhere near perfect either. The media and the places we live in can really fuck us up in the head. I am trying my best to change my ways too, but nobody can fix problems if they can't or refuse to recognize them.

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  • O-GlcNAc
  • 0 Points
  • 05:43:58, 15 August

They see it, but life is better when you pretend not to. (Denial)

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  • greedo_posted_first
  • 3 Points
  • 03:59:06, 15 August

> I don't know why people spread this "I can't help who I'm attracted to" shit around.

Yes, the gays need to try harder.

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  • blasto_blastocyst
  • 2 Points
  • 05:41:18, 15 August

I know what you are trying to say, but you can use that line of reasoning to say racists are also born that way so discrimination against them is just as illegitimate as racism.