Drama in /r/SRSsucks when /u/milleniumfalc0n tries to explain why someone was banned fom SRD. (np.reddit.com)
SubredditDrama
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95 comments submitted at 15:24:44 on Aug 10, 2014 by Froghurt
Drama in /r/SRSsucks when /u/milleniumfalc0n tries to explain why someone was banned fom SRD. (np.reddit.com)
SubredditDrama
38 ups - 0 downs = 38 votes
95 comments submitted at 15:24:44 on Aug 10, 2014 by Froghurt
Here are the results of that user's little experiment:
> * it's like they need as little reason as possible to shit on imaginary women in imaginary scenarios. (4 points)
> * It's because they don't know what friendship or empathy actually feel like. (13 points)
> * This is the most racist and un self aware reddit post I have ever seen. (4 points)
> * So many of these redditors are crazy- you make a slight generalization about white people or men and it's the end of the world but I always see this kind of garbage upvoted- I really have a hard time understanding it. (20 points)
> * Related: You know what sucks? Taking a road trip with women. Ladiez always be peeing. ARMITE? (12 points)
> * Straight up racism, wow reddit you're not even trying to be creative today. Fucking disgusting. What a pathetic excuse for a human being. (8 points)
* BLARF! I'm atheist and I fucking refuse to be a part of that subreddit. And here's a preemptive FUCK YOU to any 'splainers who slither up in here and saying that that's only a few douchebags doing that shit and we shouldn't judge the whole of r/atheism. Why the fuck you? Because those douchebags are hardly ever called out and more often than not are upvoted. So yeah. Fuck you. (2 points)
> * On a serious note, how the hell does the argument "they have more children than us" work? I've read it again and again, and every time I am left looking exasperated and confused at the screen. Even if you accept its axioms, the logic makes no sense. The idea that it justifies violence and that "There are 2 perspectives and no one is wrong or right" is just laughable. (6 points) > * I wonder if there might be a decrease in the terrifying level of islamophobia in that shitsub. Not holding my breath. (-8 points) > * I'm totes gonna start referring to everyone as females, then call them out on their attention whoring whenever they correct me. (6 points) > * Denying the holocaust is literally illegal in most European countries. Fuck these people. (31 points) > * And the fact that the most stable and successful economies in the world all provide long maternity leave and have a smaller gender wage gap than the US can be explained away because of *mumble* (18 points) > * Breasts on women are sexual because if you stimulate the nipple it feels arousing but men's nipples aren't inherently sexual which can also be used to arouse men because erm... Reasons. (7 points) > * That sub embodies everything I hate about reddit. Magical thinking? Check. Confirmation bias? Check. Racism? Check. (10 points) > * i've seen a lot of really fucked up stuff on the internet, but reading that thread is the only thing that has ever made me feel physically ill. (1 point)
A lot of those comments would be upvoted in any sub, and the few that actually use SRS lingo ('splainin, shitsub, etc.) were not very successful. Not exactly what I'd call conclusive evidence that SRD is literally SRS.
> Not exactly what I'd call conclusive evidence that SRD is literally SRS.
SRD tends to upvote posts that lean toward the SRS ideology, and downvote posts that lean against the SRS ideology.
I'll use some of my own posts as examples:
http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/2d0kj1/agirlincludedherselfinapictureredux83987/cjl1tcb?context=3
All I did was post a link that claimed that women tend to take more selfies than men. -24.
In another post I responded to a person who claimed that MRAs work from the premise that: "I'm being oppressed by sperm-jacking sluts after my child support money." All I said in response was: "That's a straw man and exaggeration of MRA positions"
My post sits at -7; the guy I was responding to's post sits at +13.
http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/2czl5v/inrpersonalfinanceitisasuggesteda/cjkymvr?context=3
> SRD tends to upvote posts that lean toward the SRS ideology,
Nobody who complains about SRS ideology has actually been able to explain what that ideology is, other than somehow they're racists and control reddit.
What exactly is the ideology of SRS?
SRS has a radical feminist ideology and believes that Reddit is full of racists and sexists; or apologists for racism and sexism.
One of the points that SRD and SRS tends to agree most strongly on, is that when posters on Reddit claim that men should be able to hit women back if women hit them first, they are REALLY just expressing a desire to "beat women."
> SRS has a radical feminist ideology
What's that radical feminist ideology? What's radical about it SRS ideology, and what's feminist about SRS ideology? "Radical feminist" has become an empty phrase that's too often used to describe any feminist whatsoever. So please define your terms better.
> Reddit is full of racists and sexists; or apologists for racism and sexism.
It's not? Huh, could have fooled me.
Being purposefully obtuse does not warrant rewarding you with an explanation. You know what srs ideology is and you know what radfem ideology is. Either that, or you're supremely stupid and ill-informed. Snark requires that you don't come off like an idiot, but I wouldn't expect you to grasp that subtlety.
> You know what srs ideology is and you know what radfem ideology is. Either that, or you're supremely stupid and ill-informed.
Known fucking truths, amirite?
top minds son
Read a book!
> What's that radical feminist ideology?
Radical feminism is characterized by a belief and emphasis on the existence of "the patriarchy"; and also views women as constant victims of sexism, oppression, and violence due to their gender.
> and what's feminist about SRS ideology?
Are you serious? They complain about "the Patriarchy"; claim that all issues men face in society are a result of that Patriarchy; and constantly complain about the perceived sexism women face in society.
> It's not? Huh, could have fooled me
Reddit is full of all types of people. Dismissing everyone who disagrees with you as racist/sexist is just lazy.
> Radical feminism is characterized by a belief and emphasis on the existence of "the patriarchy"; and also views women as constant victims of sexism, oppression, and violence due to their gender.
Ironic definition for radical feminism to follow up your complaint about the MRA strawman.
constant victims.
There's really nothing radical about the idea of patriarchy. It's pretty standard feminist theory/philosophy. Maybe "patriarchy" with scare quotes means something else.
I'm fairly certain /u/BobbyTomale doesn't quite understand what is meant by "radical." To be radical means to seek to fundamentally change the system, for the system itself is thought to be the root of inequality. Liberal feminists generally accept that patriarchy causes women's inequality, but their solution is to work within the framework of social institutions and laws in order to improve women's conditions and equalize power distributions. Radical feminists see the current current framework of social institutions and laws as fundamental to patriarchy, since inequality is often built into them, and hence seek to revolutionize society away from this framework.
> I'm fairly certain /u/BobbyTomale [-7] doesn't quite understand what is meant by "radical."
Or "patriarchy", or what a "feminist" is.
It's been my observation that people who use patriarchy in scare quotes have no concept of what the theory actually means. It seems like some people see "the patriarchy" and think that it's a secret cabal of old men who meet in smoky rooms and control the world, all the while laughing gleefully as they stomp on women.
Patriarchy = the Illuminati or the Knights Templar, don't you know???
> Radical feminism is characterized by a belief and emphasis on the existence of "the patriarchy";
The patriarchy is a concept supported by social scientists who are mainstream. You haven't shown that it's a "radical" concept at all.
>and also views women as constant victims of sexism, oppression, and violence due to their gender.
OK, so now that we know what you think feminism is, there's a difference between pointing out sexist comments on reddit and thinking that women are under constant attack.
>They complain about "the Patriarchy";
Yeah, you don't know anything about feminist ideology, do you? I say this because of your use of scare quotes around "the Patriarchy". Also you made me go to /r/ShitRedditSays to actually look things up. The last post I could find where I could find discussion of "the Patriarchy" was 22 days ago.
>claim that all issues men face in society are a result of that Patriarchy
What the hell does this even mean?
>constantly complain about the perceived sexism women face in society.
Are you seriously going to sit there and say that women don't face sexism in society? How in the hell is talking about sexism a fucking "radical feminist" thing now?
>Dismissing everyone who disagrees with you as racist/sexist is just lazy.
Weren't you just complaining about strawman arguments earlier?
> The patriarchy is a concept supported by social scientists who are mainstream. You haven't shown that it's a "radical" concept at all.
I am not using "radical" as a pejorative. I literally took the definition of radical feminism from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_feminism
> Are you seriously going to sit there and say that women don't face sexism in society? How in the hell is talking about sexism a fucking "radical feminist" thing now?
I would agree that women face sexism in society. But it is not constant and all-pervasive the way radical feminists claim. Society was not set up to be sexist against women as radical feminists tend to believe as evident from the fact that men also face sexism.
Radical feminists attempt to explain the sexism men face as an unintended consequence of the "Patriarchy."
Wikipedia is using a 30 year old essay as it's source for claiming that the idea of the patriarchy is a radical feminist idea. It does so by saying that Ellen Willis identified as a radical feminist and so therefore when she talks about an issue like patriarchy, it must be a radical feminist idea. That's pretty much the logic that's used by whomever it was that wrote the Wikipedia article.
> But it is not constant and all-pervasive the way radical feminists claim.
1.) You do realize, don't you, that there is more than one kind of sexism? It's a scale, and women do face sexism far more often than you realize.
2.) Also the idea that sexism is a pretty constant thing sure as hell isn't a radical feminist idea.
>Society was not set up to be sexist against women as radical feminists tend to believe as evident from the fact that men also face sexism.
1.) Yeah, radical feminists totally believe that a bunch of men sat down and set up society with themselves at the top. Yup, you nailed it.
2.) Men having an overall advantage because of their gender is not incompatible with the idea that men also have face certain issues because of their gender. The two ideas aren't mutually incompatible. In fact, you might want to look at the idea of intersectionality--but wait, that's probably a radical feminist ideology to you and therefore bad.
>Radical feminism is characterized by a belief and emphasis on the existence of "the patriarchy"
\>clearly betraying your lack of knowledge relating to feminism
Patriarchy is a thing. To think it is something tumblr feminists invented is stoopid. I understand that you'd not give a shit about the term of you keep seeing dumb people use it to explain why bad, unrelated things happen to them, but at least try.
>radical feminist
>not thinking you should cold-cock a woman for slapping you
Holy anecdotal evidence, Batman!
Similar threads:
I used to think people who likened SRD to SRS were paranoid, but not any more. The moderation is different, but the voting reinforces the SRS circle jerk more and more as time goes by.
Opposite threads:
It is really, really, easy to make a point when you cherry-pick your examples.
Your examples:
All of my examples were from this month. SRD has changed from what it was like a year ago. The links you provide are evidence in favour of my point, not against it.
It comes and goes in cycles. But yes, there's some disgusting amounts of double standards and hypocrisy involved here. I'm particularly troubled by the responses to the CDC reference.