Touchwiz haters, what exactly about Touchwiz is more "ugly" than stock android? (self.Android)

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everytime i seen touchwiz get bashed in this sub, it's usually because it is ugly but everytime i asked in what way, no one ever gives a logical response. i look at pics between touchwiz and stock android, and i honestly don't see that much difference in terms of looks and what makes it that much worse. so in rational detail...what exactly makes it ugly that you don't like? pics are welcome.

417 comments submitted at 01:33:10 on Jan 2, 2014 by bagwell5

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  • caseyls
  • 193 Points
  • 01:54:30, 2 January

People put Touchwiz up against Stock Android. I'm not sure how long you've been using Android, so I'll give you a little history.

Back in the days of Froyo-Gingerbread, Android was ugly. There was no design, no direction for anything, it was terrible looking.

All the OS skins looked pretty bad too; everything was all gradient covered, half skeuomorphic, half flat, and just had generally terrible looking OS elements.

Then came along Android 4.0. Matias Duarte came in and gave Android an absolutely beautiful remake. There was an obvious direction in the design. You could see where it was going, and it was going to be good.

Then HTC redid their skin for the new version of Android, and it looked pretty good too. They brought in some nice condensed fonts and animations, and it wasn't too bloated anymore.

Then Samsung released their new Nature-UX "redesign". And it hadn't changed. Well, it had, but half of the elements still looked like they were from the froyo-gingerbread area, with gradients on their buttons, a completely disjointed design (no 2 apps look the same or use similar design) and was overall bloated and laggy. ~~Like someone else said, a freshly booted Note 3, with 3 gigs of ram, has 900mb when it starts.~~ Apparently this isn't true, but my statement still stands. While other OS skins have lightened up over the years, Touchwiz is still slower to open apps and has studdery scrolling.

So people think touchwiz is ugly because, while other manufacturers have moved their designs forward into a new era, Samsung still seems to be stuck in the past.

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  • TachyonGun
  • 5 Points
  • 02:58:01, 2 January

900mb? BULLSHIT. I get 1.7gb free with facebook, messenger and whatsapp open, plus all the samsung bloat and my widgets. No root, no custom ROMs, just plain old TouchWiz launcher no modules no different kernels NOTHING. I actually rebooted my phone just to prove you wrong. Don't spread bullshit around. Seriously. Own the fucking phone before making such exaggerated claims.

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  • caseyls
  • 1 Points
  • 03:02:37, 2 January

I edited my post awhile ago. I was basing that on a post from someone else in the thread. That comment has since been deleted.

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  • allthingsfluff
  • 15 Points
  • 05:06:13, 2 January

That's still pathetic though.. An entire extra gig of ram being eaten up by the system. On a Nexus 7 I get around 1.4 and only have 2gb.

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  • TachyonGun
  • 1 Points
  • 05:54:32, 2 January

I don't find it pathetic. It's enough to have all the apps I regularly use open on the RAM. Besides, some of the touchwiz features are things I could never do without. I use multiwindow, penwindow, smart stay, air view, air command, and sometimes even smart gestures, more than regularly. The Note 3 is simply unmatched when it comes to multitasking and commodities. Stock is nice, I like how it looks, and it's fluid. But without any of the features Samsung or LG put into their phones, it feels bare-bones. Also, one can easily root the Note and get rid of the 20 bloatware apps. Then I can have an extra 200-300mb of RAM. But it hasn't been necessary for me at all, since I've had a phenomenal experience with the phone as-is.

Un-used RAM is wasted RAM. I can run all the applications I use on a regular basis and still have over 300mb free, so why does it matter?

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  • geraldchoa
  • -5 Points
  • 07:36:51, 2 January

>Un-used RAM is wasted RAM.

rofl, no

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  • seekokhean
  • 2 Points
  • 06:02:03, 2 January

Noticeable…?

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  • TachyonGun
  • 1 Points
  • 06:18:50, 2 January

Messed up two posts and combined them, then erased up to that point, then edited it out. Sorry for the confusion.

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  • Shenaniganz08
  • 0 Points
  • 06:29:04, 2 January

>That's still pathetic though.. An entire extra gig of ram being eaten up by the system. On a Nexus 7 I get around 1.4 and only have 2gb.

Prove it

From my own research 2gb = 1.4gb available to the user, after adding the OS you are left with only 1.2 gb of free ram.

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  • allthingsfluff
  • 2 Points
  • 06:48:13, 2 January

What, of my ram? It's pretty common sense but okay. http://imgur.com/e9WSm8P As you can see, even with my current set up of a custom launcher hogging 64mb, and dashclocks 27..not to mention other bloaty apps like Facebook I still have 1.2gb free..which again could easily be boosted significantly if I kept a "stock experience"

Edit..also nice job on editing your comment to not only be more of a dick but to be wrong. Because as you can see I have 1.2 WITH things added on top of stock..so no, you don't start with 1.1gb and even if you did that doesn't change the fact that Touchwiz is a bloated ram hog

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  • Shenaniganz08
  • 0 Points
  • 07:01:30, 2 January

1) The Note 3 still have more free ram available than you

2) The Note 3 only has 2.4gb available not 3gb (not sure why this is ) to the user

thanks for the pic

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  • allthingsfluff
  • -1 Points
  • 07:18:18, 2 January

I never denied that it has more free ram available. I'm just saying it's unrefined and bloaty. If it works it works, and I'm sure that's all a lot of people care about..but for a device that has 3gb of ram I would expect it to have much more than it does available compared to a stock 2gb device. If I can get up to 1.3-1.4gb free when minimizing on bloat it just baffles me why most Galaxy device users never have more than the person who posted having 1.7gb.

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  • Shenaniganz08
  • 0 Points
  • 07:50:41, 2 January

1.7gb is still more than 1.2gb so I'm still not getting your point ?

Are you mad that the note 3 doesn't have even more free ram ?

Sure it may not be as "efficient" with those 3gb but its running additional stuff in the back like scrapbook, dual window/multitasking, s pen detector, wacom touch drivers, etc.

At the end of the day the Note 3 still has more ram than any other current phone, even with the bloat. Good for Samsung for recognizing the benefits of more ram. So what is there to hate ?

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  • TachyonGun
  • 0 Points
  • 08:06:37, 2 January

It's a RAM hog because it's not a bare-bones android UX and skin. It has a lot of very cool (sometimes gimmicky, and sometimes, quite useful) features that rely on a lot of sensors no nexus device even has. It also has very, very efficient multitasking capabilities with it's floating windows and multi-window itself... I tried floating apps alternatives on other android devices and, while thay are functional apps, they are nowhere near as optimized, fast or simple as the built-in pen-window and multi-window. And let's face it, 1.7gb, and even 1.3-1.4gb of RAM are more than enough to handle as many applications as you can use at a time. I've had 8 windows running on the same screen and while battery drained fast (but not faster than the rate at which some android games or benchmarks drain it), the phone kept up with it in a very functional manner (visually no slowdowns and less heating than when playing a high end game). I've also never got to a point where I had less than 250-300mb of RAM left. Sure, it might not have 3 full gigabytes of RAM due to the GPU hogging part of it, and the UX taking quite a bit, but it's more than enough for any truly useful combination of applications conceivable on android as of now.

I'll say it again: I would not give up the multitasking capabilities and the commodities such as smart-stay, air-view and air-command over naked, seemingly featureless (in comparison, at least) stock android.

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  • seekokhean
  • -3 Points
  • 06:03:22, 2 January

RAM isn't everything.

For example, the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S have an equal amount of RAM but the latter can pause more apps in the background.

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  • allthingsfluff
  • 1 Points
  • 06:11:35, 2 January

I didn't say it was everything. I said it was pathetic that a device with an entire extra gig of ram and is then marketed as high end specs has that ram eaten by the devices bloat.

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  • Fiktiv
  • 2 Points
  • 11:55:36, 2 January

Don't know why you're getting downvoted.

If you bought a new computer with 8 gigs of ram and the OS and services ate 4 of those would you be happy about it? I sure wouldn't.

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  • allthingsfluff
  • 4 Points
  • 12:03:13, 2 January

You can't insult a popular device, it upsets the sheep. I accepted that before even posting. As you said..it wouldn't be acceptable on a PC, so it shouldn't be acceptable on a phone/tablet. If it was a choice sure, but it's forced upon you unless you root and go through the troubles of removing it in the few ways possible.

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  • petarmarinov37
  • 1 Points
  • 07:27:05, 2 January

How!? My Note 3 never has much available RAM. I don't have much running right now, and this is what I'm getting. I've never seen it any better.

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  • TachyonGun
  • 1 Points
  • 07:55:25, 2 January

What the fuck? Even with my browser, playstore, whatsapp and/or a few other things I see over 1gb free. That's really odd, man, you should look into that... What is your carrier? It has to carrier bloat or something I am missing. I recommend you do the maths and see if it all does add up to that amount. Also, sometimes that screen is not very precise in it's measurement. I'm certain you'll find you have more RAM free if you go to the application manager. You can disable some bloat there, that should help your RAM usage in the short term (at least until you reboot your phone). But I really don't know what could be wrong if you say you only have 3 or less apps often. Get it checked, I get 1.75 fb free on boot, and usually around 1.4-1.5gb free after cycling through all my daily apps and then closing most/all of them.

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  • petarmarinov37
  • 0 Points
  • 08:02:42, 2 January

Wow, it appears that lots of shit is running in the background. I can't really get rid of any of it though. My carrier is Sprint, but it isn't really relevant since I've already completely removed all of the useless bloat with root.

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  • TachyonGun
  • 1 Points
  • 08:23:17, 2 January

All that crap adds up. If it really bothers you, you should look into stopping some of those processes or un-installing some of that... But I personally do fine with 1gb of free RAM, seeing as I always have leftover even with my browser, facebook, whatsapp, sms, wolfram, and the rest of the things I rather have open where I left them off open at the same time. Just close some apps like gallery, playstore and settings once you are done with them, as they load blazing fast anyway, and I can't see you running out of RAM. I know I haven't, never had a re-draw/re-load so far.

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  • petarmarinov37
  • 1 Points
  • 09:03:37, 2 January

I took the screenshot right after I closed everything from task manager. They seem to mostly be messaging apps, and I need all of them. Thankfully, my phone doesn't ever lag... Not one bit. So this doesn't bother me any.

Weird thing is, I could swear my phone didn't ever have much more RAM available than it does now, but I could be wrong

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  • TachyonGun
  • 1 Points
  • 09:14:34, 2 January

That's odd. But as long as it works fine for you, enjoy it! I know I have no performance complains with mine, even though I have the octacore version (worse for games but better for multitasking, at least that's what experiences and benchmarks say... but I don't really care much about android gaming).