Is a ketogenic diet a good choice for me? (self.Fitness)

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Hey, I want to start off by saying i did in fact read the faq. Now.

I'll keep this short since I am currently and will add additional info later if someone is willing to provide help.

At the moment I am following a ketogenic diet which was suggested to me by a fitness buddy. Though today I went to /fit/ and read that a ketogenic diet can be unhealthy and cause several heart diseases, which of course got me concerned. Should I stick to it or change my diet program? Also, which would you recommend? Possibly a guide although I know it is expensive.

I'm cutting atm btw. Bf% is 25 if that has anything to say.

Also pardon my english.

81 comments submitted at 14:38:37 on Jan 10, 2013 by TheSpectre554

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  • HeresWhyYouSuck
  • 13 Points
  • 14:45:58, 10 January

Keto is fine as a way of controlling calories, but that's all it is. It isn't a magic bullet, it's just a way of avoiding a lot of food.

Just make sure you burn more calories than you consume, whether it's keto or anything else.

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  • TheSpectre554
  • 3 Points
  • 14:53:15, 10 January

What about the said health disorders that may follow? Should I ignore those who say so or?

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  • Gyroisabot
  • 10 Points
  • 14:55:00, 10 January

Many are due to genetic predisposition- get your blood work done with your doctor and follow up with them.

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  • stupidrobots
  • 8 Points
  • 18:15:27, 10 January

For what it's worth the vast majority of people on keto see big decreases in cholesterol, triglycerides, blood pressure, etc.

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  • skaray
  • 3 Points
  • 15:06:42, 10 January

I agree with gyroisabot on the blood work. Also look for more info at /r/keto/.

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  • mason55
  • 8 Points
  • 18:14:38, 10 January

> Also look for more info at /r/keto/.

Know that they are less receptive there to the idea that keto is just a way to limit calories. Many actually think it's a magic bullet.

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  • tommytwotats
  • 5 Points
  • 19:09:41, 10 January

a magic bullet to the effect that when in ketosis, you usually aren't hungry, which is a foreign concept to most dieters. I've been doing keto for years, i don't wake up hungry, I often just simply forget to eat entire meals. Coming from a previous SAD diet of eating just enough to sustain you to the next feeding.... its a really nice change.

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  • mountainwampus
  • -7 Points
  • 16:06:05, 10 January

Keto is amazing. What disorders are you speaking of? I only see and feel benefits with this diet. My strength, athleticism and energy have never been better. Teeth, hair and skin have all improved. I tell you, it's the way we are meant to eat. BTW, r/keto got reworked 2 days ago. r/theketodiet is like the old r/keto.

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  • PigDog4
  • 10 Points
  • 16:46:18, 10 January

>I tell you, it's the way we are meant to eat.

Really? I would argue we're "meant" to eat paleo. Whatever the fuck "meant to eat" means now a days.

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  • guga31bb
  • 11 Points
  • 16:54:11, 10 January

NO DUDE FRUIT IS LITERALLY HITLER

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  • PigDog4
  • 6 Points
  • 17:11:15, 10 January

O SHIT SRY BRO BETTER GO EAT MY BACON WRAPPED CHEESE LOG!!

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  • bacchusthedrunk
  • 2 Points
  • 17:56:52, 10 January

ACTUALLY, MY LUNCH IS CHICKEN SALAD WITH EXTRA MAYO BETWEEN TWO BACON WEAVE "BUNS"!!!

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  • SpaceCowboy58
  • 1 Points
  • 20:24:40, 10 January

This actually sounds like one of my keto cheat day meals when I was still on the diet. I made a crab cake, chicken and bacon sandwich with hamburger buns. I'm shuddering just thinking about it.

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  • mountainwampus
  • -5 Points
  • 17:04:03, 10 January

Very true. Paleo goes even further toward what we are "meant to eat" and it's very similar to keto. I try to keep a hybrid keto/paleo diet. I avoid carbs as well as processed foods (most processed foods happen to be carby anyway). It has been very effective. I am enjoying food more now than I ever did before. Diets aren't supposed to be this delicious! The low-fat and low-cal diet trend needs to be killed. It's clearly a farce.

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  • emconnors
  • 7 Points
  • 17:34:49, 10 January

>low-cal diet

Low calorie diets actually happen to be the only way to lose weight ("low calorie" relative to needs, of course), because it doesn't matter what your macro composition is, if you're not eating below maintenance you're not going to lose any weight.

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  • mountainwampus
  • -11 Points
  • 18:04:17, 10 January

It's not as simple as counting calories on labels. Most of which are misleading. Our bodies actually burn more calories when digesting real whole foods. Fat grams have twice the cals as carbs, making things like skim milk and fat-reduced peanut butter look healthy in the world of calories but they aren't. They are both processed frankenfoods that require very little energy expenditure to digest. If you make food choices based on calories on labels, you're at a disadvantage. If you eat excessive carbs, all the fat in your food is stored as the extra carbs also convert to fats (usually around the belly). If carbs are limited, they run out and the body burns fat instead and there's nothing left to store. It's called the Krebs cycle (or citric acid cycle) and it's far more meaningful than "calories."

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  • emconnors
  • 7 Points
  • 18:59:56, 10 January

While that's nice and all, I never said anything about low fat, or high carb, or any mention of macronutrients at all.*

You said "low cal diet trend needs to be killed."

Low cal means low calories, and you need low calories to lose weight. Some calories are certainly preferred to others, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with a "low calorie" diet.

*Edit: Upon rereading, I did mention macros, but not in the context you're infodumping about.

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  • mountainwampus
  • -5 Points
  • 19:10:18, 10 January

Sorry, I got stormed with a bunch of responses and just kinda rambled. Probably confused your message with another. Either way, Keto rules!

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  • PigDog4
  • 4 Points
  • 17:15:06, 10 January

How do you eat hybrid keto/paleo if you don't eat carbs? Paleo has you eating fruit and sweet potatoes and shit. Those have carbs.

>... low-cal diet trend needs to be killed.

Uhh... that's how diets work? Or are you one of the ketards who thinks you can eat four pounds of bacon and cheese per day and lose weight?

You need a calorie restriction to lose weight. Keto makes this easier to do as carbs tend (not always, but tend) to be high in calories and low in satiety.

If you don't believe me, we can make a bet and we can find an unbiased third party to judge. You track and eat 6000 kcal of "keto" food every day for a month, and I'll eat 1800kcal of "non-keto" food for a month. If you lose weight or I gain weight I'll pay for your food. If you gain weight AND I lose weight you pay me the equivalent value of the food you ate. Does that sound like a fair deal? Since keto is magic, you should have no problem winning.

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  • mountainwampus
  • 1 Points
  • 17:39:10, 10 January

BTW, I'm not suggesting that I eat tons of calories, just that I don't bother counting them now. Grams of fat, protein and carbs are what I try to balance. My calorie intake is roughly the same as what I was eating before keto. But I feel fuller, always, even when it's 8 pm and I haven't eaten all day.

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  • mountainwampus
  • -6 Points
  • 17:28:55, 10 January

Not interested in competition, my excess weight is long gone anyway, but yes paleo and keto are very similar. There are few different restrictions. I only eat small amounts of fruit (usually raspberries). And yes, low cal diets don't really work. At least not for me. If you eat highly processed foods, your body doesn't burn as many calories in the process of digestion. This factor is not represented on the labels.

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  • PigDog4
  • 9 Points
  • 17:33:58, 10 January

Low-cal diets work. They have to work. They work by definition. You lose weight by calorie restriction. Period. You can't beat physics with a diet.

That's like saying gravity doesn't work for you unless you wear special shoes.

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  • mountainwampus
  • 3 Points
  • 18:14:48, 10 January

I tried calorie counting a while back and it worked but I was always hungry. I stopped counting and gained tons of weight just trying to satiate myself. On keto, I always feel satiated and healthy. I went from 235 to 190 in 5 months. the difference is unbelievable. If you've never tried keto, you simply must. It has improved every aspect of my health and appearance. I still eat carby foods once in a while, but only before excercise.

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  • PigDog4
  • 3 Points
  • 18:24:04, 10 January

Okay. So keto worked because it let you control your caloric intake. That's totally fine, and I'm glad you found something that worked for you.

My goal is to be big and strong. Keto makes you small and good at endurance, pretty much the opposite of what I'm going for, but thanks for the suggestion!

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  • AntiAggressiveForce
  • 1 Points
  • 21:22:42, 10 January

> You can't beat physics with a diet.

Eh, certainly you'll lose mass if you consume fewer calories than you expend, but it's also entirely possible that you can lose mass consuming more calories than you expend. For example, what if a specific diet causes your body to expel some portion of your caloric intake when you go to the bathroom? Or when you breathe? There's no reason to believe that such a process does not occur.

The body is a biological organism, not a carnot engine. It's biology that determines these things, which while grounded in physics, is many orders of magnitude more complex.

source: I'm a chemical physicist

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  • PigDog4
  • 2 Points
  • 21:40:27, 10 January

>For example, what if a specific diet causes your body to expel some portion of your caloric intake when you go to the bathroom? Or when you breathe?

You're expelling them. Sure, it's not the same thing as expending them, but they're leaving your body. They still need to be accounted for. Calories don't magically disappear in your body.

The human body isn't a carnot engine, I realize this. However, it also isn't magic.

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  • jon23d
  • 1 Points
  • 19:01:23, 10 January

I have lost a significant amount of weight by simply slowing down when eating. Over time, I began eating less. I now eat less, more frequently, and have maintained my ideal weight for some time.

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  • numberthirtythree
  • 6 Points
  • 17:11:55, 10 January

I really hope this is parody. If it's not; this is the reason people call /r/keto a cult.

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  • mountainwampus
  • 1 Points
  • 17:19:26, 10 January

No parody. I don't understand. People think this is a cult?

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  • GymIn26Minutes
  • 1 Points
  • 00:14:52, 11 January

>People think this is a cult?

On reddit it sure is. Just like the /r/fitness obsession with SS as the prescription for everything. Not that it is particularly surprising, you have a ton of fitness novices around here. When a new person tries it and it gives them good results they often jump to the conclusion that they have found the"magic bullet", despite the fact that they could almost certainly get equivalent or better results with an alternative (this applies to both keto and SS).

This is not meant to be insulting, it is just part of the learning process. The vast majority of people do this even if they don't realize it.

The typical "flow of education" typically looks something like this:

Know nothing about a topic >
know a little (and think you know everything) >
know quite a bit (and realize how little you actually know) >
specialize in one facet of that topic (and become a legit expert).

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  • HeresWhyYouSuck
  • 1 Points
  • 15:57:39, 10 January

Basically if you're healthy then you should be fine. People with kidney problems and some other pre-existing issues should see a doctor before starting a keto diet.