Ongoing drama between AMR and AMRsucks (self.SubredditDrama)
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Growing drama between AMR and AMRSucks--more than the usual.
So earlier this week, /u/sworebytheprecious doxxed someone on her blog for allegedly being a rapist [here's a good overview] (http://np.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/2bl0e3/earlythisweekireportedarapistandabuser_to/).
AMRSucks is unhappy and there are currently several posts about the incident ( and a more recent recap here).
She posts a response in AMR
A woman who states she was the women involved posted comments to provide context but those comments were deleted in the threads.
A guy who states he is the guy who was accused posts in MR to provide more context.
682 comments submitted at 16:49:04 on Jul 27, 2014 by TheLadyEve
Yeah I called his local law enforcement, hope it gets straightened out.
Good to know we have Reddit on the case! /s
Are you saying we should ignore people who admit to rape?
Reporting them to the police and leaving it at that and reporting to the police, online communities and then boasting about it are another.
We'll I did the first one. He'll I didn't even say he raped anyone, I just said a user in your area made a comment that he had raped someone.
I have to problem with maybe messaging the police and keeping it to yourself mostly. But making a blog post boasting about it and saying you messaged other online communities is too far.
Yeah I even told the guy his personal life shouldn't be brought into it unless found guilty, but if he says he raped someone what did he expect?
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Yeah admitting to a severe should led to being reported to the police but that doesn't make doxxing ok.
> Yeah admitting to a severe should led to being reported to the ~~police~~ admins
Report the post to the admins. Let them figure it out. There job is to deal with this type of thing.
I think if someone's going to report it to anyone, they should report it to the police. I wouldn't trust the admins on this point.
I agree. We are on the same track.
Well seeing as he seems to pick up these girls he allegedly abuses at local reddit meetups, it was probably a good idea to report what he said to the leaders of those local communities.
Well judging from the fact that one of the posts is shown to be old copypasta and the supposed victim came out and said it wasn't rape it seems to be just harassment at this point.
Also it's allegedly not proven so I think warning people about him is a bit presumptuous.
I've never met a girl at a reddit meet up.
Yes. Unless you have absolute proof and that doesn't include a post on reddit.
It's not reddit's job to act as judge and jury. Redditors aren't Judge Dread.
I had absolute proof that he said he raped someone, and that's what I reported. It would be immoral to see that and keep scrolling.
I fucked your mother and then shot JFK.
There. You have absolute proof that I said that I fucked your mom and then shot JFK. Are you going to turn me into the police too?
I'm on the phone with the FBI right now, telling them we've finally found the real JFK assassin.
I'm gonna be famous!
Jokes on you. The CIA will be knocking on your door any minute.
Careful. The Internet Police can backtrace that.
I'm sure it's already happening
whoa dude, why would you do that? JFK was fucking awesome!
Don't play stupid, there's a difference between the two, hell if it was a joke forum and he said something like "yeah so I was raping this woman" than no one would care because they know the persons joking. But he seriously answered a question with "yeah I raped someone".
> there's a difference between the two
No there's not.
You have the exact same amount of evidence in both cases.
Context can be important sometimes.
Yes, there is. I'm a citizen, I don't need evidence too report someone. It's the cops job too find the evidence that he did it or not. I'm not a fuckin P.I I saw someone say they raped someone so I reported them, which they is in my rights. If someone said to you, "yeah I murdered that guy" would you go on your own investigation or just call the giving police?
> If someone said to you, "yeah I murdered that guy" would you go on your own investigation or just call the giving police?
I'd mind my own business. I wouldn't do either unless I actually saw him commit the crime.
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I never answered any comment with that. Simply contacting me of my ex would have clarified this but it seems you were more interested in finding a reason to be proud of yourself.
i said i shared a rape fantasy with my ex we acted it out and didnt end well. There was no where near enough said in that simple comment to deduce rape. The fact that you comprehended "he raped someone" makes me fairly certain that you have some ulterior agenda you are trying to shove down peoples throats or are too dumb to read between the lines. I'll give you some credit and assume its the latter.
when bad reading comprehension and SJW delusion lead to witch hunts..
Absolutely not, and the guy seems like a total waste of skin based on comments alone, but there's no actual evidence to support that he actually did anything. I agree that it's good to make concerned reports to law enforcement when you hear, see or read some kind of confession (because we don't know if it's false or real) but the Internet tends to judge people much quicker than a court (and, IMO, much more unfairly).
This whole thing reminds me of the recent case where the policeman was involved in supposedly planning a murder online. He said in a bunch of places that he had plans to kill and eat a woman, and he went into the plans in detail. But he was acquitted recently because the court decided there was no proof it wasn't all just fantasy.
This guy.
>But Gardephe wrote that “once the lies and the fantastical elements are stripped away, what is left are deeply disturbing misogynistic chats and emails written by an individual obsessed with imagining women he knows suffering horrific sex-related pain, terror and degradation.”
So basically that ruling seems to say you have the right to be a giant creepy turd on the internet. Which it sounds like this guy is, but that's legal.
thanks for the compliment. the problem with the comment wasn't the comment itself, which was ambigious, it was the self projection and interpretation of the comment. some people thought it was ridiculous, some funny, some thought I was an asshole, and some thought I was a serious sex offender. The unfortunate part is the people who thought the latter actually went through my history, cherry picked and edited quotes to further build on their perspectives and then started a full blown assault on my personal and professional life without even taking time to find some solid evidence. I don't claim to be a nice guy but I'm suffering because of lot of collective stupidity here.
>thanks for the compliment
Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell, sorry. Hey, I have no dog in this fight...and you'll see that if you look at this thread--you posted some seriously skeevy comments, but there is nothing I've seen that indicated you're a criminal, you just chose to post skeevy comments, which is not a crime and should not be. I posted the conflict, not a judgment. That's the point of this sub.
yeah, i didnt mean to slam you. just a sarcastic comment and an observation of the situation.
Sure but it's not like us reporting him is an auto conviction. I just saw a comment and let the law beware of it, I'm sure they'll investigate it and get the truth.
> I'm sure they'll investigate it and get the truth.
If the police took every report made based on an Internet comment seriously and fully investigated, I doubt there would be resources leftover for other, more pressing cases...
You underestimate the boredom of a cop in a minimal crime zone.
Not to be unkind, but I think you might be overestimating the free time that police have, even in a "minimal crime zone."
think you reported to the wrong city, where I live definitely isn't a minimal crime zone.
you deserve a gold star for the hard work and dedication you displayed here today. take a break from twilight a join a reading comprehension class.
While reporting him to the police is bad enough she went beyond that. She contacted other online communities he was a part of as well as "real life" communities.
She stalked the hell out of him.
> While reporting him to the police is bad enough she went beyond that. She contacted other online communities he was a part of as well as "real life" communities.
Something tells me she didn't make calm, measured, and factual statements to those people. She seems like the kind of person who has waited for something like this for years and jumped straight into wannabe hero mode without taking a second to think.
after speaking to some of the people she contacted i can guarantee that is the case. Someone who has been a causual acquaintance of mine for two years cursed me out, called me a fucking rapist asshole, told me not to speak to him again. He said some chick wrote him a long detailed email describing my "alleged" exploits. He also told me she request he not disclose who she was or what the email was about.
Probably.
I think she's admitted to being a rape victim herself so that probably had something to do with it as well. I feel bad that she was a legit victim but she's still gotta think things through before going nutty and doing what she did.
Yes and I told him I am sorry that happened to him. But I stand by my decision to report the authority's.
How did you get someone's personal information in the first place?
im so smart my user name is my real name.
It is extremely easy. Most people post something about where they live at some point or any type of information and you can do some investigation work from there.
What if they just posed as someone else?
I mean... Sorry? That would take an immense amount of effort and a solid long con for really no reason. I doubt it would happen.
> I mean... Sorry? That would take an immense amount of effort and a solid long con for really no reason. I doubt it would happen.
Actually, no. I do it all the time. Whenever I post personal info to a forum, I always fuzz it because the internet is full of mentally unstable weirdos.
They would only need to switch out a few details and it would be pretty easy, most people don't really post location details in their average posts so it would just take a few smart posts to make out you're someone else.
Yes... But that would be incredibly weird, I see what your saying but I very seriously doubt that would happen, and the poster would have too stay consistent for awhile to impersonate someone else for what?
Yeah it's highly unlikely but if I had someone I know I wanted to fuck over I could easily use my account I'm using now and post a few vague personal details about them then post something really controversial. So it appears they are the one doing it. It's why witch hunting based on internet doxxing is a shitty idea in general.
>I mean... Sorry?
Oh this is amazing! It reminds me of when Laurelai doxxed the wrong person, a dentist. She contacted his job trying to have him fired. When she found out it was the wrong guy, she responded, "it was his fault for allowing me to doxx the wrong guy. He should have told me his real name so I could accurately doxx him."
Your logic is so fucked, it's pregnant.
I haven't doxxed anyone. I'm just saying I could.
> I haven't doxxed anyone. I'm just saying I could.
Badass over here folks!
Really, you think so? Thanks man I've been feeling down lately, that helped.
Well it looks like you're a force to be reckoned with and I thought I'd let everyone know that you can take some internet drama, drag it out into real life and kick its ass!
You go and you go hard. I think you'll be the one to finally bring 'em down. Power!
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Yes, you did. You're arguing semantics. You took the info he posted to reddit to identify in real life. Than is doxxing. Twist it however you like. You took a copypasta and tried to ruin someone's life with it. You're a horrible person.
Haha I didn't try to ruin his life. I told the authority's about his comment. Is everyone that reports a possible crime trying to ruin that persons life?
No, you went a bit above and beyond calling the authorities. Are the owners of the house he works at the authorities? Are mods of subreddits the authorities?
It's really not the much effort at all. I've done it to fuck with mensrights multiple times. Hell, I've created accounts just to brigade myself from mensrights just to piss them off. It's relatively easy when you've got nothing better to do.
Isn't brigrading yourself from a false account a pretty big rule violation?
Not if you don't vote.
So what did you do then? Just post ?
yeah just linked to one of my comments on one of my accounts from an alt, watch as they mass downvote me, report them to the admins for vote cheating, they get shadow banned. It's like a sting but for pointless reddit karma.
or I would link to a comment of mine that was clearly right in every possible imaginable way, strawman the fuck out of it and post it to mensrights, and watch them confuse themselves. Fun.
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I should post this to /creepypms.
Haha yeah if they'll allow it.
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That was the only thing admitted to though, they also said about messaging internet communities he goes on. That is crossing into harassment.
> That was the only thing admitted to though, they also said about messaging internet communities he goes on. That is crossing into harassment.
Apparently some offline communities as well. He claims he's banned from burning man because of /u/sworebytheprecious's doxxing of him.
I can believe it.
Hopefully there's a civil suit in the works...
Aren't you a hero
More like an idiot
If reporting a possible rape makes me a hero than yep, I am.
>wasting public resources
ftfy
Um, why? Unless you're the same person it looks like /u/sworebytheprecious already did it.