False rape drama in /r/mensrights (np.reddit.com)
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141 comments submitted at 06:54:12 on Jul 23, 2014 by Hamzaboy
False rape drama in /r/mensrights (np.reddit.com)
SubredditDrama
19 ups - 0 downs = 19 votes
141 comments submitted at 06:54:12 on Jul 23, 2014 by Hamzaboy
...you do realize that SJWs are the minority, right? They hold very little influence in the real world. If anything, it's SJWs who end up going to echo chambers to confirm their ideas because they're not taken seriously in real life.
Can you explain what you think a SJW is?
Given your username and post history, I expect this to be... Interesting.
Far left bigots with a white savior complex that bitch on the internet about imaginary oppression to make their lives seem interesting. A disproportionate number of people in the SJ cult seem to have legitimate mental illnesses (especially depression and social anxiety).
Perhaps you can expand on that for me, because those are largely meaningless buzzwords that do very little to convey... anything.
What constitutes far-left ideals to you?
What constitutes "imaginary" oppression?
I will leave your fundamental attribution error be for now.
>What constitutes far-left ideals to you?
Communism, censorship, the erosion of the idea of personal responsibility, hatred towards the majority (in the west, this would be whites/heterosexuals/non-transgenders), and radical feminism.
>What constitutes "imaginary" oppression?
Things like being angry at having the door held open for you or labeling PB&J sandwiches served at school lunches to be racist because it's not a food traditionally eaten by minorities.
/r/tumblrinaction for more.
Communism has little to nothing to do with Social Justice issues, it is a political ideology. It is a far left political ideology though, so you can have a gold star for that.
Censorship spans both political isles and isn't necessarily a bad thing depending upon context.
"The erosion of the idea of personal responsibility" is an absolutely useless descriptor with out applying it to a particular Social Justice principal or idea.
"Hatred toward the majority" Here is that fundamental attribution error again. Arguing that the majority is unduly advantaged does not equate to hating the majority.
Radical feminism is a fringe group with in feminism. You do know what that means, right?
Aside from all of that, the issues you list as "Imaginary oppression" are not things at the forefront (or, almost anywhere within) the Social Justice movement.
And finally, there it is.
You have an extremely warped view of what Social Justice is, because you are viewing it through the lens of TiA.
Please, please, please grow up.
Hold on here. You seem to think that I'm attacking all of the SJ movement when I specified in my original post that I'm referring to SJWs who are fringe lunatics. I'm a believer in social justice myself as are many TiA users.
You denied the existence of White Privilege in another comment chain and also listed OWS as the largest Social Justice movement of our time, so you will have to excuse me if I have my doubts about your believing in Social Justice principals.
> You denied the existence of White Privilege
I think it's laughable in the way it's frequently used, yeah. White privilege and male privilege are given a disproportionate amount of attention (and "check ur privilege" is used online as a thought terminating cliche). There are privileges Asians have. There are privileges blacks have. There's privileges men have and there's privileges that women have. In the end, though, in the modern day we all come out to be roughly equal despite the pros/cons of each set of privileges and the scale is only tipped when economic privilege comes into play.
>OWS as the largest Social Justice movement of our time
Wait, is this actually something contested? I'm legitimately interested in hearing why you disagree. OWS was a huge nationwide event even though it didn't accomplish anything except cause traffic and police brutality.
> I think it's laughable in the way it's frequently used, yeah. White privilege and male privilege are given a disproportionate amount of attention (and "check ur privilege" is used online as a thought terminating cliche). There are privileges Asians have. There are privileges blacks have. There's privileges men have and there's privileges that women have. In the end, though, in the modern day we all come out to be roughly equal despite the pros/cons of each set of privileges and the scale is only tipped when economic privilege comes into play.
No.
http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/rdsentencingreview.pdf
http://www.povertyactionlab.org/evaluation/discrimination-job-market-united-states
Perhaps you can explain to me how Black people and Asian people have societal privilege and how that stacks up with the links above? And while we're throwing out accusations of thought terminating clichés (which check your privilege is not, it is literally attempt to get you to consider the societal context in which you exist), how about that impressively large string of buzzwords that you recited earlier? Our conversation wasn't even able to continue with out me specifically asking for clarification on what you were trying to say.
> Wait, is this actually something contested? I'm legitimately interested in hearing why you disagree. OWS was a huge nationwide event even though it didn't accomplish anything except cause traffic and police brutality
OWS was a populist movement for people who don't understand how the economy works. It was spurred by some shitty things that happened on Wall Street. While there may have been some wingnuts that you can point at and say "loool sjw's" it was hardly a Social Justice movement (for the reasons that I just gave).
Other posters have given you better examples. You know they exist. Don't bullshit me.
And finally, despite my tone, I am actually trying to help you. I wouldn't have bothered to continue on replying to you if I weren't so please read through our conversation, then re read it, then think about it, then get back to me.
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The crazy white man hating SJWs you are thinking of now are sure. But concepts such as white privilege are pretty well accepted in the academic field and has influence on political actions.
The concept of "white privilege" is met with eyerolls in real life, sociology is mocked by other academic fields, and even sociology is divided on SJW concepts.
If the largest social justice (not even SJW) movement in recent times (OWS) was destroyed in less than 2 years while not actually accomplishing any of its goals, what are a smaller numbers of extreme SJWs going to do? They're seen as a joke in the real world and dismissed as just being a phase. The most they've actually done is pull fire alarms at MR talks.
Also, SJWs always seem so reluctant to talk about female privilege. They harp on and on and on about how privileged men are, but never want to discuss the benefits you get for being a woman.
The concept isn't really mocked often beyond the internet at least in my experience. Also sociology is hardly mocked by the academic field, it's actually pretty well accepted. It's mainly people on the internet wanting to feel superior who mock it.
Clearly you're turning a blind eye to the progress made by social justice groups like greater equality for women, blacks and so on. Progress from now from the 70s for example has been pretty big.
> Clearly you're turning a blind eye to the progress made by social justice groups like greater equality for women, blacks and so on.
Social justice advocacy isn't the same thing as being a social justice warrior. SJWs are no less hateful than Stormfront, and just like SF all they do is complain on the internet.
You were the one bringing up SJWs implying that anyone who advocates these social justice ideas must be one.
White privilege is a dated idea spawned from back from minorities were legitimately oppressed. If anything, minorities have an advantage over whites due to affirmative action and the reluctance of European governments to actually punish immigrants for fear of being labeled racist.
A much better measure of privilege is economic standing rather than race.
Affirmative action is no way near big enough to make minorities a privileged class and there is things like higher sentences for the same crimes, less likely to be accepted for jobs if you have a "black name" even if you are equally as qualified and so on.
Also while there has been problems with certain issues not being tackled due to a fear of being viewed as racist there have also been problems where immigrants are targeted and attacked simply for being a different race or religion. And also issues where they are all viewed to be the same and all tarred with the same brush so to speak.
> Affirmative action is no way near big enough to make minorities a privileged class
It's definitely big enough to make them more privileged than whites when we're in an almost completely equal society. Take a middle class white dude and take a middle class black women with equal credentials, have them apply for the same job or university, and the latter is going to have an advantage.
>there is things like higher sentences for the same crimes
This is something I agree on. It's been shown that blacks and latinos receive 20% higher sentences on average, and men receive 63% higher sentences on average than women. Unequal prison sentences are fucked up.
>less likely to be accepted for jobs if you have a "black name" even if you are equally as qualified and so on.
Not seeing the problem with this. Someone with a name like Laqueesha who hasn't opted to change their name to fit in with the majority of Americans (and there are plenty of minorities in America who have taken on American names) despite that kind of name being associated with violent and uneducated areas is potentially a risk for the company as they would likely clash with the company's culture.
I disagree, even with affirmative action black people are still massively under represented in the middle class and in higher education. If they were more privileged they would be represented more in both.
Glad we agree on this.
It's not just names like that, it's also names like Jamal and what not and I don't see the problem with names like Laqueesha. It's just a name, someone shouldn't have to change it to fit in. Also the companies have interviews before giving a job so don't you think a face to face interview may show how they are better than just a name?
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what are some examples of female privilege?
It's more accepted for women to show their emotions and seek help when needed. Also violence against women is less accepted in mainstream society than violence against men.
I wouldn't go as far to say the are privileged though.
Nah I wouldn't say it's a perk. It's only acceptable for me to "show emotion" about an issue only because it's expected of me, and by "show emotion" they mean crying, whining, being unreasonable or some variation thereof (and getting subsequently gaslighted).
Yeah but if you show emotion it's accepted and support is offered. If a crying women asked for help and a crying man asked for help who do you think people will care for?
Sure there are problems with the idea of women being viewed by some as crazy emotional harpies but I would rather be viewed as emotional than as a cold machine who has to keep everything bottled up because of the fear of being seen as a pathetic weak person.
> if you show emotion it's accepted and support is offered
Not true, hence my mention of gaslighting. If people offered me support irl I wouldn't have to spill my guts on the internet.
> I would rather be viewed as emotional than a cold machine who has to keep everything bottled up because of the fear of being seen as a pathetic weak person.
I have the bottling-up problem too. You see the catch with the crazy emotional harpy bit is that it still leads to bottling shit up due to constant invalidation. It's lose-lose. Sorry man the grass isn't greener on my end :(
Yeah there is a problem with people viewing women as some crazy emotional wrecks but that viewpoint is less accepted now days. There is way more support networks out there to seek help in general for women.
Also a crying women is viewed as someone to help, a crying man is viewed as someone weak and pathetic.
It's definitely a double standard that needs to be addressed. Hopefully being emotional will stop being seen as a 'girly/weak' thing soon.
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those are true but are they really considered a privilege? I'd think it's more of a double standard.
Yeah I edited my comment to show that while they are way women have advantages over men in certain areas I wouldn't go as far to say they are a privileged.
ahh when I was replying I didn't see the edit but yeah I agree.
>killwhiteppl
why does my username matter?
If it makes you feel better, I wouldn't debate social topics with someone named "killblackppl" either.
so my username makes it so you won't answer my question? good to know!
I feel like this thread is about to get posted to /r/subredditdrama
Oh you poor delusional kid.
I'm the delusional one when SJWs are trying to change the world by complaining on the Internet?
So, you mean mensrights?
We're talking about SJWs here. Keep up. I don't give a shit about the MRM and I don't identify as a MRA.
So in a drama thread about mensrights all you do is cry about the horrors that are "sjw"? Funny how a couple of tweens on tumblr manage to upset you so much.
>So in a drama thread about mensrights
Hey, someone brought a SJW topic up.
>cry
If TiA was actually angry about SJWs, we'd be posting on /r/rage and not a subreddit where we laugh at them.
Anyway, you're derailing the conversation here. How are SJWs not delusional?