Sign on bike shop in Toronto: "Sundays: We are open for cis women and trans folks ONLY" Entire thread's chain falls off and detractors and defenders lose their brakes when gender wars and cycling drama collide (np.reddit.com)

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76 comments submitted at 23:48:24 on Jul 20, 2014 by Calls_it_Lost_Wages

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  • Olbrecht
  • 40 Points
  • 00:00:04, 21 July

>Can you have a "whites only" or "blacks only" day? Where does the division become "crossed the line" of socially acceptable and/or appropriate?

That's the first comment in the chain and that's really all that needs to be said.

What the bike shop is doing is essentially the same type of discrimination, and people in the Toronto area should be reporting them to their local city council member, etc...

Also, I live in a major US city and as far as I know that type of shit doesn't go on here and there's a huge gay/trans population. What is it about Canada that causes people to lose their damn minds? I feel like Canada and especially Toronto is ground zero for gender wars.

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  • Nerdlinger
  • -3 Points
  • 00:06:45, 21 July

> Also, I live in a major US city and as far as I know that type of shit doesn't go on here and there's a huge gay/trans population.

I also live in a major US city, and it does happen here on occasion in some places, and I can't believe it would actually bother anyone.

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  • Olbrecht
  • 11 Points
  • 00:23:21, 21 July

It bothers me because it's discriminatory. If they were discriminating against trans and cis women everyone would be throwing a shit fit.

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  • Nerdlinger
  • -9 Points
  • 00:29:37, 21 July

So you also have issues with things like adult swim hours at swimming pools? Or open street/ciclavia events (or hell, even things like 5K runs) where streets are closed to motorists? Or any of the other events where areas that are normally open to all are closed off for a specific group so they can enjoy the environment in a different/more relaxing manner?

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  • Olbrecht
  • 13 Points
  • 00:31:47, 21 July

The difference is they those examples aren't discriminating via race, gender, or sexual orientation. There's a HUGE difference.

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  • Necrofancy
  • 0 Points
  • 00:53:48, 21 July

Yeah, this is the worst kind of discrimination; the kind against me!

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  • Nerdlinger
  • -13 Points
  • 00:39:33, 21 July

No, they are discriminating via things like age and mode of transportation. Why do you think that's more acceptable?

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  • Olbrecht
  • 7 Points
  • 00:48:48, 21 July

So you're honestly trying to say that you think adult swim at a pool is and refusing service because of race, gender, or sexual orientation is the same thing?

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  • Nerdlinger
  • -8 Points
  • 00:52:27, 21 July

No, I am trying to say that some instances of age discrimination (like adult swim) are roughly equivalent to some instances of race, gender, orientation, etc. discrimination. Some are good, some are bad.

You still haven't told us why you feel age discrimination is any more or less acceptable than gender discrimination, by the way.

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  • Olbrecht
  • 5 Points
  • 00:58:16, 21 July

> You still haven't told us why you feel age discrimination is any more or less acceptable than gender discrimination

It's not.

However, trying to compare adult swim hour to refusing someone service at a store isn't even in the same league but you go right ahead banging that drum.

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  • Nerdlinger
  • -9 Points
  • 01:00:11, 21 July

So refusing someone service at a swimming pool is somehow not in the same league as refusing someone service at a bike shop?

How is that, exactly?