bowdindine figures out that a terrible restaurant on a reality TV show is actually a front for a money laundering operation (reddit.com)

1442 ups - 442 downs = 1000 votes

157 comments submitted at 14:34:28 on May 14, 2013 by turismofan1986

  • [-]
  • bowdindine
  • 135 Points
  • 14:41:51, 14 May

Well, to be fair, it's just my theory AND, the restaurant IS the money laundering scheme. I don't speculate as to where any actual 'dirty money' is coming from.

  • [-]
  • bmacgruber
  • 90 Points
  • 17:41:57, 14 May

The reason it can't really be held up as actual evidence is because you're watching an edited TV show and therefore you aren't seeing the real, true picture.

A good thing to remember is that every edit is a decision to either show or not show you something. Therefore even the most honest attempt at portraying reality is manipulated and can't be taken as fact. All we're seeing is what the show chose we see -- essentially, what didn't hit the cutting room floor.

Source: I make these shows for a living.

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  • derpMD
  • 34 Points
  • 17:56:40, 14 May

Even with a really basic background in video production it surprises me that people don't get this automatically. Even before I ever touched Avid or a camera I knew that if it's on TV, you can't take anything for granted. Any time a camera cuts to another shot, it could be hours or days later. Anything can be changed. With today's post-production tools you can even fake a load of stuff but you don't even need Cinema 4D and After Effects. Simple editing decisions can completely rewrite a story and these stories are edited to maximize conflict and entertainment.

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  • heavyhebrew
  • 18 Points
  • 19:20:06, 14 May

My wife is a huge fan of the Bachelor/Bachelorette bullshit. I always pay attention to light levels and the sun if it can be seen.

Edits from all kinds of different times, different shots. All to build a narrative.

  • [-]
  • cmmn518redux
  • 9 Points
  • 19:24:02, 14 May

IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMNIT!

  • [-]
  • ExtraAnchovies
  • 6 Points
  • 19:25:12, 14 May

Love that show but they may be the worse at doing this. They play with the timeline all the time in order make things more dramatic and you can totally tell when they cut people off mid sentence in order to make it seem like what they said was worse. Or they will cut away from the person talking, slip in something she/he said at a different time, and make it look like she/he was saying it to that person's face. I catch it all the time; my girlfriend, not so much.

  • [-]
  • heavyhebrew
  • 3 Points
  • 19:32:47, 14 May

My personal theory? Chris Harrison is the Devil. Seriously. He only shows up when someones dreams and aspirations are about to be crushed.

"Hey ladies, just got back from pushing a busload of orphans and nuns into a ravine in Nicaragua but, hey, if you do not get a rose tonight, you have to leave immediately. Good luck^andiwilleatyoursoul!"

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  • ExtraAnchovies
  • 1 Points
  • 19:40:00, 14 May

You are so right! I think deep down I've always felt that way but you were able to put it into words. He starts off offering you the world, but after you have sold your soul (by falling in love) he only appears to destroy you.

I've always felt that if I was ever in his presence I may collapse from fear.

  • [-]
  • heavyhebrew
  • 2 Points
  • 19:45:50, 14 May

Watch for that little smile he gets when he tells them it is time to leave.

"Yes, YES, feed me more of your despair. Tears? Let me drink them like sweet champagne."

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  • ohboycheese
  • 1 Points
  • 19:35:45, 14 May

2nd'd... Pretty much why I am not generally a fan of reality TV. So far the only shows that have kept me interested have been bar rescue (this one got boring and repetitive after episodes), Worlds worst tenants (same as bar rescue, but, its lasting a lot longer). Although, I am curious about kitchen nightmare now, maybe it will last more than 5 episodes, if that.

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  • sqrlmasta
  • 2 Points
  • 20:03:26, 14 May

More than 5 episodes? They are on like 45 episodes over 5 seasons so far.

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  • ohboycheese
  • 1 Points
  • 20:09:38, 14 May

not what I meant, 5 episodes, meaning, will I be sick of it after 5 episodes.

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  • sqrlmasta
  • 1 Points
  • 20:39:20, 14 May

Ah, that makes much more sense. Although I've watched through all 5 seasons, it is often very formulaic, with the referenced episode being a bit of an outlier.

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  • shutup_Aragorn
  • 12 Points
  • 19:14:26, 14 May

Charlie booker demonstrates this really really well in one of his clips.

  • [-]
  • smileyman
  • 18 Points
  • 18:35:45, 14 May

>Source: I make these shows for a living

Which shows and can you do an AMA about them? I think that could be very interesting.

  • [-]
  • adamf1983
  • 8 Points
  • 18:53:49, 14 May

it was amazing to me how many people are genuinely shocked at how reality TV is made. Like if two people are having an argument, it doesn't even enter their thinking that maybe it was fabricated for the cameras that are right in front of the characters' faces.

source: I was on a reality show

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  • mclaclan
  • 2 Points
  • 20:07:22, 14 May

Please do an AMA.

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  • mrpopenfresh
  • 4 Points
  • 18:09:47, 14 May

Absolutely, people underestimate the power of editing constantly, because for the most part we are consuming it without knowing. A decent editor can make boring footage look like anything he wants, and good editors are widespread since reality television dominates the airways.

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  • onafarawaybeach
  • 15 Points
  • 17:29:36, 14 May

That episode actually made me start questioning if there actually is a phenomenon of "word of mouth" anymore. I mean, that business should've folded years ago. It's easily the worst I've seen on Kitchen Nightmares. There has to be an economic reason why they're still afloat.

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  • moparornocar
  • 13 Points
  • 17:34:57, 14 May

Tourists, Scottsdale is pretty well known for vacations.

  • [-]
  • Aluxh
  • 10 Points
  • 18:16:52, 14 May

Plus the husband was obviously pouring dead money into it.

  • [-]
  • CaspianX2
  • 1 Points
  • 19:34:41, 14 May

Word of mouth is still a huge factor that can help or hinder a business. It's just not the only factor.

  • [-]
  • rocknrollercoaster
  • 5 Points
  • 19:19:01, 14 May

But why would they put their money laundering front on tv for everyone to see?

  • [-]
  • swiley1983
  • 19 Points
  • 17:27:24, 14 May

Nice try, rival Arizona crime lord.

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  • scoote
  • 5 Points
  • 19:40:02, 14 May

I cannot find it. Did you delete it?

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  • bowdindine
  • 3 Points
  • 19:41:36, 14 May

No, it wasn't my post to delete. But it is indeed gone. Probably good, that title was needlessly accusatory.

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  • p293
  • 2 Points
  • 19:45:13, 14 May

Why the hell was that post deleted? They could've changed the title, and left the content. You weren't accusing anyone of it, but it was just your perception, and an interesting read at that. Ugh.

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  • bowdindine
  • 2 Points
  • 19:54:22, 14 May

Yeah, wasn't my title. I thought the title was trashy and presumptuous.

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  • scoote
  • 2 Points
  • 19:45:57, 14 May

Yeah, I had started reading it and then got into some client calls, and left the page, to look at bicycles during the call, and then came back and was like, damnit.

What really sucks, for perhaps the people in the show, is when you're legitimately losing money on a business venture, and the IRS thinks you are laundering money, and all of a sudden you've got a 200k attorney bill to defend your lawful actions, to go along with the money being lost in your business venture.

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  • ktappe
  • 1 Points
  • 20:09:00, 14 May

Yes, that would normally suck. But in this case, these people are jerks and an IRS investigation is the least karma they deserve.

I too was sad to see this thread go away. I wonder if Reddit received a C&D from the restaurant?

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  • nohomolol
  • 1 Points
  • 20:44:42, 14 May

You can't receive a C&D for anything that was in that thread.

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  • nohomolol
  • 1 Points
  • 20:44:17, 14 May

$200k attorney bill lolololololololololololol

  • [-]
  • BeatDigger
  • 3 Points
  • 18:39:29, 14 May

They really could have used you in Office Space.

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  • Notexactlyserious
  • 2 Points
  • 19:35:35, 14 May

Did it just get deleted.

  • [-]
  • bowdindine
  • 3 Points
  • 19:36:34, 14 May

yup

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  • qeuwtip
  • 2 Points
  • 19:41:28, 14 May

It looks like it was removed.

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  • sonoma12
  • 3 Points
  • 19:00:06, 14 May

Or that was someone on facebook's theory and you copy/pasted...

I saw that exact text on FB hours before you posted it here...

Or you posted it on FB in which case I now have your real name and can send you expensive gifts in the mail.

  • [-]
  • prostate_massage
  • 2 Points
  • 19:29:19, 14 May

These people are assholes, no doubt, and deluded beyond belief.

But the reddit crusading has got to fucking stop. Has nothing been learned since the whole Boston bomber shit show? You guys fuck up everything you touch. You are drawing conclusions from a TV show that the feds would take months to investigate and prosecute. To me, that says you've got absolutely zero critical thinking skills. All your "evidence" can easily explained by other things as well. Just because you can conceive of a logical conclusion for something in your head doesn't mean it's worth telling anyone.

The food sucked and the owners were insane beyond belief. That's all the show was trying to tell you. They weren't sending a secret message telling you to be an internet detective and find the REAL reason why the restaurant is like that. Fuck off already, internet detectives.

Way to fucking go. This is why people hate reddit and why I'd be embarrassed to say I even read the site anymore. It's tainted as hell by all the dumb shit the users have done. The libertopia turned out to be a tragedy of the commons, surprise.

  • [-]
  • Taodeist
  • 3 Points
  • 19:41:03, 14 May

Meh.

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  • Taurath
  • 1 Points
  • 20:04:51, 14 May

It's a big group of people that think these people as depicted are just awful. They have done nothing to do anything but confirm it in their eyes.

I'm frankly more worried that the restaurant owners have some level of serious neurosis, which is a pretty easy way for things to get Real very quick.

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  • [deleted]
  • 63 Points
  • 16:09:25, 14 May

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  • andbruno
  • 39 Points
  • 18:56:05, 14 May

Hey guys, she forbid us from doing this.

>TO REDDIT. I FORBID YOU FROM SPREADING YOUR HATE ON THAT SITE. THIS IS MY FACEBOOK, AND I AM NOT ALLOWING YOU TO USE MY COMPANY ON YOUR HATE FILLED PAGE.

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  • x439024
  • 4 Points
  • 19:58:55, 14 May

Does she know reddit? It's like the government banning something, its just guaranteed to make it more popular that it was before.

  • [-]
  • ohfail
  • 22 Points
  • 18:14:47, 14 May

Wow! You can't even fictionalize this kind of crazy; no editor would ever try to sell your book.

"I'm sorry, ohfail, but people just don't talk like this. It's not believable. We can't even save this character - you're going to have to start over...."

  • [-]
  • Brumisator
  • 6 Points
  • 19:33:30, 14 May

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense" - Tom Clancy

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  • ohfail
  • 1 Points
  • 19:56:48, 14 May

TC is da man. His rejection rate is 0%.

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  • CeeDiddy82
  • 21 Points
  • 17:07:08, 14 May

This has GOT to be a troll Facebook. I imagine all of few the legit customers who liked their restaurant FB page were offended by the sudden onslaught of profanity on their business' page!

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  • thrilldigger
  • 34 Points
  • 17:16:52, 14 May

I thought so, too, but it was created in Nov. 2009 and seems to be entirely legitimate (look at posts in 2011 and 2012). There's a chance it was hijacked, I suppose.

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  • guydawg
  • 32 Points
  • 17:19:45, 14 May

probably highjacked.. "LOL REDDIT FUCK YOU COME GET ME BITCHES" reeks of 4chan classic trolling

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  • nanowerx
  • 47 Points
  • 17:42:17, 14 May

If I hadn't watched that episode of Kitchen Nightmares I would have assumed somebody got the password and was trolling the account, but seeing how those people actually acted made me instantly believe that these two are sitting on Facebook posting this shit. Not to mention the woman kept constantly going on and on about "online bullies" and how she constantly replied to and attacked her "haters."

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  • OneOfDozens
  • 18 Points
  • 17:48:40, 14 May

not hijacked, watch her speak for 2 seconds about "internet haters"

  • [-]
  • agrablabragl
  • 5 Points
  • 19:22:28, 14 May

Come on now... "They're" replying with Futurama references

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  • OneOfDozens
  • 2 Points
  • 19:35:17, 14 May

she's been responding for years, it's nothing new. she's crazy, wouldn't keep her from watching cartoons.

if they were actually hijacked she'd be back on there 10 minutes later ranting about that or on her yelp or her yahoo or somewhere

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  • notcaffeinefree
  • 12 Points
  • 18:38:50, 14 May

Google's even saying that their site may be compromised: http://i.imgur.com/W3fNU6m.png

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  • TheChrisHill
  • 7 Points
  • 18:50:52, 14 May

I want to like their page because they update frequently and it's hilarious, but i don't want them to think i actually LIKE them.

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  • ExtraAnchovies
  • 3 Points
  • 19:28:25, 14 May

I doubt that 13 thousand people actually like their restaurant.

  • [-]
  • parabolic85
  • 1 Points
  • 20:32:41, 14 May

16,000 now haha

  • [-]
  • drocks27
  • 9 Points
  • 19:23:18, 14 May

Did you see the photoshop they tried to do?

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  • The_Right_Nut_Of_God
  • 3 Points
  • 19:46:03, 14 May

That's just sad.

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  • onanym
  • 3 Points
  • 19:52:23, 14 May

Ahaha! Even I seethis is shopped, and I'm blind.

Why didn't they just create an account and post it for real?

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  • drocks27
  • 3 Points
  • 19:54:01, 14 May

I don't think they know how Reddit works. lol

  • [-]
  • onanym
  • 1 Points
  • 20:04:49, 14 May

Nor MS Paint, which is where they "photoshopped" this.

  • [-]
  • vincentrevelations
  • 2 Points
  • 19:04:15, 14 May

Why do facebook pages get so cluttered when a story blows up? It doesn't seem to happen with twitter, I don't get it.

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  • NeoxGG
  • -3 Points
  • 19:08:52, 14 May

You realize that those post have a chance of less than 1% to be serious? They gave up and now use it as marketing or they really got hacked.

  • [-]
  • Black3math
  • 96 Points
  • 18:20:00, 14 May

Am I wrong or didn't Reddit come to an understanding that we shouldn't play detective? Speculating is fine and all, but posting a title that is blatantly saying someone "Figured out" that a business is a money laundering operation, seems like a rash decision.

  • [-]
  • Eloth
  • 34 Points
  • 18:31:44, 14 May

The title's misleading, but the theory is interesting.

  • [-]
  • tehbizz
  • 6 Points
  • 18:51:03, 14 May

OP's just husslin' for karma.

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  • qeuwtip
  • 2 Points
  • 19:43:00, 14 May

That may be why it was removed. I also thought the title implied some sort of evidence, and then read on to find that the 'best of'd comment was merely conjecture.

  • [-]
  • Borax
  • 2 Points
  • 19:13:37, 14 May

These allegations are likely to destroy the business.

  • [-]
  • Shadowofthedragon
  • 7 Points
  • 19:27:33, 14 May

They are destroying their own business.

  • [-]
  • Borax
  • 3 Points
  • 19:36:53, 14 May

Assuming their facebook hasn't been hacked.

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  • Shadowofthedragon
  • 2 Points
  • 20:01:17, 14 May

Watch the show, it doesn't seem that out there for them to act like this.

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  • Dubzil
  • 1 Points
  • 20:10:16, 14 May

You must not have watched the episode of Kitchen Nightmares, if that didn't destroy the business, then nothing will destroy the business.

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  • RichardDoggins
  • 1 Points
  • 19:32:52, 14 May

Well, it's not much of a stretch to think a non-corporate restaurant is probably laundering money on some scale. It happens all the time. A lot of dirty money can pass through even a small sized city, so a big criminal organization could have little "family-owned" fronts all over the place.

And law enforcement isn't stupid. It's not difficult to uncover a front. Hell, regular customers can figure it out. It's just so difficult to prove that most fronts get away with it. They have lawyers advising them every step of the way, so the fronts are all pretty secure.

As for this restaurant (and I didn't see that episode, so I'm just going off what I read), it is exactly what a front looks like, but they aren't going to get investigated, because, like I said, they know exactly what they are doing. As far as anyone can tell, without getting a warrant, they aren't doing anything wrong, and you can't get a warrant because someone isn't doing anything wrong, that you can tell.

Speculating that it's a front is pretty harmless. The worst it can do is give those people a bad reputation, but it seems like they've earned it on their own.

Remember, the most difficult part in creating a successful front is getting your hands on the dirty money you need to keep it going.

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  • PrismaCarnage
  • 52 Points
  • 16:24:37, 14 May

Not buying it. I can't see him putting the restaurant on TV if it was really a laundering front. The risk is too great compared to the reward.

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  • SanSimeon
  • 32 Points
  • 16:54:27, 14 May

Makes sense to me. The more you try to make it look like a legit restaurant the better. Also this place was contacted in 2010 to do the show. They turned it down. More then likely it sounds like Amy wanted the show to prove how good her cooking was. She is insane and it makes sense. Her deserts are store bought, not even baked by her. Shows how fucked in the head she is.

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  • PrismaCarnage
  • 15 Points
  • 17:12:42, 14 May

If they wanted to make the restaurant look more legit then there are plenty of other ways to do so without having to go on national TV. He could try to get his restaurant featured in newspapers, articles, on the local radio, buy some ads in local magazines and such.

If the guy wanted his wife to feel like she is doing a good job he could have made that happen any number of other ways that don't involve going on TV. For example, he could have hired a fake local food critic or bribed a real one to come to the restaurant and compliment her and write an article about her. He could secretly tell customers their meal is free if they go up to the cook and tell her the food was good.

Going on TV is like the most extreme solution to both of those problems. There are so many easier, quicker, more practical things he could have done that would draw less attention than going on TV. It just doesn't make sense, even for an idiot gangster.

If he made it that far doing criminal stuff, then dumb as he may be, I just don't see him being so dumb as to put his criminal business on TV where it would only be even more obvious a sham.

Another thing is that if he is laundering other peoples' money (instead of just his own) then he can just fucking forget about doing that from now on. How many of his fellow criminals will want their money laundered through a business that has been on TV and is now going viral? Why would anyone want to launder money through his business now? They wouldn't. So the whole plan to make it look more legit is all for nothing anyway.

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  • hoodis
  • 4 Points
  • 19:09:10, 14 May

Successful criminals are usually judged stupid by the general public but when it comes to criminal things they are usually pretty damn smart. If they weren't they would never have become a successful criminal in the first place.

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  • sacredbleu
  • 1 Points
  • 19:25:22, 14 May

If they were that successful, the general public wouldn't know about them.

  • [-]
  • hoodis
  • 1 Points
  • 20:04:15, 14 May

Not necessarily true. A lot of the most successful criminals are widely known. Take Al Capone, he was very successful and very widely known.

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  • AHippie
  • 1 Points
  • 20:11:29, 14 May

D. B. Cooper? Either way, that's kind of the point. You only hear about the ones who were dumb enough to either get caught or let their plan leak out somehow.

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  • tehbizz
  • 3 Points
  • 18:48:13, 14 May

They got interviewed by a local news station in Scottsdale back in 2010 about bad reviews and even back then, she was bat shit crazy. Three years later, now she gets to do the same act on national TV.

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  • megablast
  • 7 Points
  • 16:25:44, 14 May

So he will not call the police, but he will put the restaurant on the TV show? Sure, what a joke.

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  • ffgefhuiwefh
  • 16 Points
  • 19:40:48, 14 May

all deleted?

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  • icuuvk
  • 50 Points
  • 18:00:40, 14 May

Theory based on intuition, no real evidence, guilty until proven innocent, typical reddit witch huntâ„¢.

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  • Dakaraim
  • 13 Points
  • 18:23:21, 14 May

So I can go ahead and start sending hate-filled accusations to them and their families on Facebook now right?

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  • Maox
  • 4 Points
  • 18:54:52, 14 May

Are you kidding? Get in line, you're way behind. I dislike these people from what I saw, but the outpouring of hate on their FB page is just crazy. Also, most comments come from people who are clearly illiterate idiots who I would probably hate just as much.

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  • kratistos
  • 4 Points
  • 18:47:21, 14 May

Nono, it totally makes sense that some crime lord puts himself and his money laundering restaurant on a fucking TV show!

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  • RVLV
  • 1 Points
  • 19:49:10, 14 May

Isn't this similiar to an episode of Breaking Bad?

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  • Platypuskeeper
  • 11 Points
  • 18:42:31, 14 May

Pretty crappy intuition as well. The guy said "don't call the police" to his hysterical wife when he was flipping out at a customer, who didn't appear to be acting violent, threatening or anything. There's nothing suspicious about not calling the police in a situation where normal people wouldn't. He also stood up to his wife plenty of times, such as when she was denying that they'd had a staff turnover of 50 people and he informed Ramsay that it was more like a hundred.

As for the expensive food, they were serving crap frozen ravioli. Not exactly the 'top-dollar' the poster is pretending is so important. The waitress doesn't get to handle the money? Well that's partly explained in the episode: He was pocketing her tips. Also, he didn't let her pour wine either, so just maybe you're dealing with a run-of-the-mill control freak.

Nothing about what the posters says actually indicates he even knows how money laundering works: "This is similar to how house flipping has become the new Las Vegas for cleaning dirty money. Even if you put 100k of criminal money into a house and sell it for 80k, you still made 80k in clean money" - WTF? That doesn't work. Not as described anyway, because that only raises the question of where the money for the house came from. By that standard, buying and then selling anything would be money laundering. (It's not)

I'm not sure the poster even knows how the show works: "But SOMEBODY just had to call Ramsey and blow the whole cover…." - as if it wasn't being made with the full knowledge and consent of the owners.

This is complete bullshit and why I've now unsubscribed from this subreddit. There's been just more and more of this conspiracy-theory crap here. I want to read interesting things, not teenagers speculating.

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  • heavyhebrew
  • 2 Points
  • 19:25:09, 14 May

It's not about what you know or what you believe. It is about what you can prove.

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  • Delvaris
  • 1 Points
  • 19:36:00, 14 May

Point of order: the waitress was under 21 and in a lot of places you can't serve (open) alcohol if you are under 21. In some places you can't even sell alcohol at a grocery store if you are under 21.

Where I live you can't serve alcohol under 21 and can't sell it in a retail setting if you are under 18.

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  • Platypuskeeper
  • 1 Points
  • 19:45:50, 14 May

That would of course be the kind of detail they may well omit in this kind of show to create drama. (well, in fairness there's far less drama in the far superior UK version)

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  • Delvaris
  • 2 Points
  • 19:49:54, 14 May

>far less drama in the far superior UK version

I've watched a total of one episode of the US version of Kitchen Nightmares.

Conversely, I've seen every episode of the UK version...twice. The differences are truly astounding, even in how they portray Gordon Ramsay. US Gordon is an arrogant cockface who I would sooner punch in the mouth than have a beer with. UK Gordon is a genuinely nice person who is passionate about what he does and doesn't suffer fools lightly, I would love to get to know him.

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  • ktappe
  • 1 Points
  • 20:28:18, 14 May

>Even if you put 100k of criminal money into a house and sell it for 80k, you still made 80k in clean money" - WTF? That doesn't work. Not as described anyway, because that only raises the question of where the money for the house came from.

Not in this economy, with housing prices going up and down constantly, people declaring bankruptcy left and right, and banks randomly foreclosing.

Back to the point, the restaurant is much more suspicious than a single home-sale-for-a-loss. It has been operating at a loss for years. Further, it operates in a way that it obviously could never have made a profit and could never hope to. Most damning is that the owners aren't even trying to make a profit; they literally chase customers out the door! Occam's Razor indicates that money laundering is the simplest and therefore most likely explanation.

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  • WTFOutOfUsernames
  • 11 Points
  • 19:03:35, 14 May

can we just clarify that bowdindine didn't actually "figure out" anything, as that implies that s/he can prove it? That isn't the case here. I believe that this is inductive reasoning, though someone please feel free to correct me.

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  • AthlonRob
  • 4 Points
  • 19:15:32, 14 May

> Well, to be fair, it's just my theory AND, the restaurant IS the money laundering scheme. I don't speculate as to where any actual 'dirty money' is coming from. - Bowdindine

He already said as much 4 hours ago. Link to comment here

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  • WTFOutOfUsernames
  • 3 Points
  • 19:19:47, 14 May

I didn't see that, thanks. I'm glad that bowdindine said that, but that's not the somewhat sensationalized headline for this link, right?

EDIT: just for the record, I don't have a problem with bowdindine's claims since there is now a caveat that it is speculation. I only have an issue with this headline, note the bold which is where my comment originates.

bowdindine figures out that a terrible restaurant on a reality TV show is actually a front for a money laundering operation

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  • jlopez24
  • 11 Points
  • 19:05:13, 14 May

Okay so I live in Scottsdale and I applied yesterday after this whole thing came out. Sammy called me and questioned if I was a "Reddit" or a member of "that fucking yelp site". After I convinced him otherwise he gave me an interview for tomorrow. This is gonna be fun! Anyone have anything they'd like me to say in my interview?

EDIT: Can anyone translate this page for me? I'm not sure if it says I can wear a wire or not, and I'd rather not let this lunatic be able to sue me.

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  • wabeka
  • 8 Points
  • 19:19:15, 14 May

Is Arizona a consensual recording state? If not, you should wear a wire and put it on youtube.

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  • mclaclan
  • 1 Points
  • 20:22:21, 14 May

.

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  • jlopez24
  • 1 Points
  • 20:42:10, 14 May

I'll look into it. I believe it is. If it is I will definitely record everything.

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  • littlenicole326
  • 2 Points
  • 20:31:39, 14 May

Please do an AMA afterwards, and try your hardest to wear a wire.

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  • ktappe
  • 2 Points
  • 20:32:29, 14 May

Tips. Definitely ask him if you get to keep your tips. If "no", ask him if the salary compensates for the withheld tips.

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  • jlopez24
  • 1 Points
  • 20:42:45, 14 May

Will do!

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  • mclaclan
  • 1 Points
  • 20:23:08, 14 May

Nice try.

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  • coloroftheskye
  • 6 Points
  • 18:11:54, 14 May

is there any link to the video?

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  • jebubu
  • 12 Points
  • 18:38:02, 14 May

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XQDtoHpAWhg

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  • StabbyMcGoodstab
  • 4 Points
  • 19:04:01, 14 May

I found the parts by digging through the other threads.

Ho. Ly. Fucking. Shit.

Disaster from one end to the other.

I want more now.

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  • faghat
  • 2 Points
  • 19:27:28, 14 May

here, it's all pretty laughable but I think the ending is the best part.

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  • Lokismoke
  • 10 Points
  • 19:08:39, 14 May

>...figures out that a terrible restaurant... is actually a front for a money laundering operation.

Yeah, because Reddit has a great track record of solving crimes.

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  • [deleted]
  • 6 Points
  • 19:43:28, 14 May

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  • HollaWho
  • 12 Points
  • 18:39:13, 14 May

Looks like reddit didnt learn from acussing the wrong kid as being a terrorist. Now the front page is accusing a business of being an illegal operation based on a TV show?

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  • RatherDashing
  • 2 Points
  • 19:03:31, 14 May

> lady was crazy on the tv, must be a money laundering scheme.

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  • Troll-Catcher
  • 1 Points
  • 19:41:07, 14 May

I'm not supporting the witch hunt, but she didn't just act crazy.

Did you see the Facebook page?

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  • ktappe
  • 1 Points
  • 20:30:24, 14 May

That was the least of the evidence that it's money laundering. Did you see the show?

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  • Astrogat
  • 2 Points
  • 19:16:40, 14 May

On the plus side, what's the worst that can happen? We don't go there? We tarnish their reputation? No matter what happens I feel like possibly being a money laundering scheme is the best thing about the restaurant.

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  • tehbizz
  • 7 Points
  • 18:32:51, 14 May

Missed the whole obvious thing of Samy saying "I am the gangster" to Ramsey's face.

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  • NeoxGG
  • 2 Points
  • 19:20:40, 14 May

Yeah that's what I thought too. If that's not obvious, I don't know. But still, reddit should stop the witch hunt at this point.

  • [-]
  • tehbizz
  • 1 Points
  • 19:54:03, 14 May

Yes, it should. But it's Reddit where things aren't learned so easily.

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  • ktappe
  • 1 Points
  • 20:33:59, 14 May

Hold it; it's not as if Reddit is organizing a lynch mob or anything. All I think most of us ask is that the IRS go take a look at their books. We pay our taxes, so they should pay theirs. Fair is fair.

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  • notsurehowtosaythis
  • 4 Points
  • 18:15:28, 14 May

I wonder how long she has wwebsited for.

  • [-]
  • Yakooza1
  • 4 Points
  • 18:51:19, 14 May

Reality TV shows aren't exactly reality folks...

Its insanely edited, and faked for as much drama as possible.

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  • logical_failacy
  • 3 Points
  • 18:35:03, 14 May

So you can reason that they're afraid of the cops busting their laundering scheme, but hey, a reality TV show, that couldn't hurt, right?

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  • JiminyPiminy
  • 3 Points
  • 18:52:08, 14 May

Breaking bad by baking bread.

  • [-]
  • keithbelfast
  • 4 Points
  • 16:40:30, 14 May

This is the most defamatory thing anyone has posted about this show so far.

  • [-]
  • AthlonRob
  • 3 Points
  • 19:11:51, 14 May

you haven't been reading their FB page, have you?

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  • FartyPooPoo
  • 3 Points
  • 18:57:52, 14 May

You people are all shit. Yelp shit, Reddits shit. Every shit. Come to here, I will fucking show you all.

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  • heavyhebrew
  • 1 Points
  • 19:26:49, 14 May

That is a meme material for sure.

  • [-]
  • FartyPooPoo
  • 1 Points
  • 19:31:18, 14 May

You are all little punks. Nothing. you are all nothing. We are laughing at you. All of you, just fools. We have God on our side, you just have your sites.

  • [-]
  • heavyhebrew
  • 2 Points
  • 19:44:40, 14 May

Are you trying some rssling on me?

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  • not_the_droids
  • 2 Points
  • 18:54:33, 14 May

after reading this and watching that episode... everyone aboard the crazy train!

choo choo

  • [-]
  • namer98
  • 3 Points
  • 18:48:32, 14 May

Yay, another reddit witchhunt. Just what we need.

  • [-]
  • Deleos
  • 2 Points
  • 19:00:58, 14 May

Reddit is a daily drama show in text format that allows participation. It's the entertainment wave of the future.

  • [-]
  • achughes
  • 1 Points
  • 19:46:14, 14 May

a text adventure game for the 21st century

  • [-]
  • MactheDog
  • 1 Points
  • 19:24:34, 14 May

Really need to change that title, I came expecting evidence, I got a compelling theory. Shit like this has consequences.

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  • jwcobb13
  • 0 Points
  • 19:34:38, 14 May

I know of a certain restaurant in my town that is a money laundering operation - been in business for years, never more than 2 or 3 people eating at the restaurant at any one time even on weekends, in a high rent district, etc.

But why should I care enough to contact the local FBI office or white crime division of the local PD. Can someone explain why it's important to crack down on these types of operations?

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  • nailer
  • 1 Points
  • 20:38:52, 14 May

It depends on whether you think the source for the money that is hypothetically being laundered is unethical or not. Unpasteurized dairy products? Poker games? Marijuana? A pill press? Meth? Guns? It's up to you.

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  • Jymtarr
  • 1 Points
  • 19:38:51, 14 May

See, I don't think it's that crazy that they stay in business. In the town I'm from, there is a place in town called Ned's Shed that has been there since the 50's. The old owner was the biggest dick in history. I think half the town was banned from the place at one time or another. I got banned because they didn't make my burger plain and I tried to get another one. Another kid I know got banned for ordering a hotdog. (They don't have hotdogs.) Eating too much from the buffet also got you banned. Staying too long. Banned. Asking to pay with a check. Banned.

I just remembered, that when you went to the drive through instead of saying, "How can i help you." Or "Welcome to Ned's shed." The owners wife would just say in this totally annoyed voice, "ORDER!" It was kind of hilarious. I would have thought it was a shtick if I didn't know they were awful in their personal lives as well.

The owner got arrested for dragging some lady (who I think was pregnant) out of her car because she parked in the giant car lot that was for Ned's customers only. Her car had broken down or something. Even though that parking lot would park about 5 times the amount of people who would fit in the entire restaurant.

Their food was okay, I guess. Nothing super special, but it was one of only about 5 places to eat in town. Probably not the case in Scottsdale. New owners now who are very reasonable, sadly. It was always such an adventure going there under the constant threat of banishment.

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  • awesomechemist
  • 2 Points
  • 19:42:56, 14 May

There is a difference between "figures out" and "speculates wildly".

With that said: after having just watched that episode, it would be wildly entertaining if their participation on this show ultimately sparks some sort of criminal investigation because those speculations happened to be correct.

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  • casenozero
  • 1 Points
  • 19:45:11, 14 May

This didn't link to the comment. Luckily OP is top comment here so I just creeped their post history.

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  • slduncanjr
  • 1 Points
  • 20:14:19, 14 May

So almost everything is deleted there now. It's kind of like reading /r/nocontext

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  • littlenicole326
  • 1 Points
  • 20:29:27, 14 May

What is ressling? Was she trying to write Riesling, or wrestling because we're in 'Murica? Ahh, this post just helped me waste an hour of my day watching all of the videos on youtube :)

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  • MoreNutella
  • 0 Points
  • 18:39:26, 14 May

Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention!! Perfect sick-day fodder.

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  • blackpony04
  • 0 Points
  • 19:22:43, 14 May

This makes so much sense as it's the only reasonable explanation why two completely delusional and customer hating people can actually run a business. I watched that entire episode with my mouth open as I couldn't believe how nuts they were but bowdindine's explanation makes complete sense to me as to why.

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  • blue_sidd
  • 0 Points
  • 18:45:41, 14 May

Amazing thread. Although it is clear that Amy is legitmately mentally ill, which is sad, and I really hope she doesnt not get pregnant...

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  • trampus1
  • 1 Points
  • 19:12:41, 14 May

I think he's a lonely old man with more money than brains who wants someone to die with.

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  • Brown_Bunny
  • -6 Points
  • 17:09:09, 14 May

That was the biggest bullshit post I've seen upvoted here in a long time.

Jesus christ /r/bestof...

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  • DlSCONNECTED
  • 1 Points
  • 18:10:09, 14 May

Don't people know the show is fake?

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  • Aoladari
  • 1 Points
  • 18:45:46, 14 May

Apparently not.

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  • kratistos
  • -1 Points
  • 18:51:30, 14 May

Seriously. Can we just all stop a second and think about how retarded you have to be to put your money laundering restaurant and yourself in a god-fucking-damn TV Show if you're a criminal so high up the gangster food chain that you need a restaurant to launder your money ? Why the fuck would he do that?

No chance in hell this shit hole is some criminal scheme. No chance in hell. Use your brains for one second, people.

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  • Brown_Bunny
  • 1 Points
  • 19:00:01, 14 May

This subreddit is really in a sorry state atm. I don't even know how it slipped this fast.

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  • churchofwant
  • 0 Points
  • 19:08:19, 14 May

Nice try, Amy.

  • [-]
  • LockHimUpHawkins
  • 1 Points
  • 18:59:23, 14 May

*speculates

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  • MarlesBarkley
  • -1 Points
  • 19:07:02, 14 May

Does anyone else think these should be linked directly to the comment and not to the whole comment section. I may be interested in the content but I'm not fond of searching through hundreds of comments..