WP 'Jailbreak/Tilebreak' coming soon! (self.windowsphone)

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167 ups - 17 downs = 150 votes

Today is the beginning of a whole new adventure! Windows Phone has been 'jailbroken' by a Chinese developer or as I like to call it: 'Tilebroken'. (any other suggestions?)

Also, we need a name for a Cydia-like tweakstore because there definitely will be one. Be creative, be Modern!

http://wmpoweruser.com/chinese-hackers-claim-to-have-jailbroken-the-nokia-lumia-920/

219 comments submitted at 20:23:16 on Dec 29, 2013 by hassantaher

  • [-]
  • GhostOfRomney
  • 21 Points
  • 04:47:12, 30 December

Tile colors from a palette picker, adblock, default search engine additions, side loading apps, region unlocking, and internet sharing feature unlocking. These are the reasons I would "jailbreak."

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  • gr3ml1n
  • -21 Points
  • 10:02:31, 30 December

Tile colors from palette =ugly phones adblock = you forgetting that internet is actually not free. People aren't doing, the services you love to use, for fun side loading apps= piracy region unlocking= piracy

  • [-]
  • CardboardDoom
  • 6 Points
  • 16:17:05, 30 December

Just because a jailbreak is available doesn't mean you need to do it

  • [-]
  • sigismond0
  • 8 Points
  • 14:35:04, 30 December
  • Color palette: Could make great looking phones. Just because you're not creative enough to mix and match colors doesn't mean we're all inept.
  • Sideloading apps: Not necessarily piracy--this is how devs will distribute non-app store apps, jailbroken apps, etc.
  • [-]
  • GhostOfRomney
  • 1 Points
  • 16:13:34, 30 December

You already pick your tile colors from a very narrow palette. I just want a palette with the full color spectrum so that, for example, I can have a white background with black tiles without using high contrast mode which also affects text and colors in apps.

And don't preach to me about ads. I would rather pay for membership to sites that have value to me than be constantly bombarded by ads. It just takes more work on the part of the site owner. I've never bought anything as a result of an online ad, either through a click to conversion or from the impression itself leading to a conversion down the road.

  • [-]
  • gr3ml1n
  • -5 Points
  • 16:58:54, 30 December

you just think you didn't. Anyway, internet is free and available for everyone, this is why there are no paid memberships everywhere, but the small price you have to pay is watch the ads. or bear it.

Yes, you can pick, and you can't pick from full color spectrum because many people have bad taste and either would made his/hers phone ugly and/or choose a color that doesn't work well with the tiles

  • [-]
  • GhostOfRomney
  • 1 Points
  • 20:28:24, 30 December

>you just think you didn't.

No, I actually didn't, as evidenced by my not actually ever having purchased anything via a click-through and the fact that I still make shitloads of online purchases. The two are completely separate. How else do I know? I've been using browser-based adblock for years and years and filtering most ad domains at the router level at home for even longer than adblock extensions have been available. Your argument is completely wrong, sorry.

>Anyway, internet is free and available for everyone

Lolwut? No, it very much isn't.

>, this is why there are no paid memberships everywhere, but the small price you have to pay is watch the ads. or bear it.

False. Netflix, Amazon Prime (Instant), Reddit Gold, etc. are all examples of paid membership services. These are successful services that offer paid memberships that do not advertise to people. Hulu Plus, on the other hand, is paid and still displays ads. Netflix is vastly more successful than Hulu Plus. People do not want ads, and will pay for them to be removed.

>Yes, you can pick, and you can't pick from full color spectrum because many people have bad taste

I think many of the stock colors are horrible and in many cases unreadable against a dark background.

>and either would made his/hers phone ugly and/or choose a color that doesn't work well with the tiles

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>made his/hers phone ugly

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>his/hers phone

Stop making my point for me. I know you thought you were being clever, but the phone is advertised as the phone centered around "me". How fucking "me" can it be if I can't pick my favorite color as my tile background?

  • [-]
  • GhostOfRomney
  • 0 Points
  • 17:17:12, 30 December

So you know better than me what color the tiles should be on my phone. Ok, bud. Whatever you say.

  • [-]
  • gr3ml1n
  • -1 Points
  • 20:07:14, 30 December

I know it, so does the designers at microsoft whos job is to know better

  • [-]
  • omegatheroyal
  • 1 Points
  • 20:45:58, 30 December

Its do, fucktard, do. Not does

  • [-]
  • gr3ml1n
  • 0 Points
  • 21:04:04, 30 December

ooo someone is pissed off a little. chill out asswipe

  • [-]
  • GhostOfRomney
  • 0 Points
  • 20:21:24, 30 December

>I know it, so does the designers at microsoft whos job is to know better

False. Their job is to listen to their customers. I'm so happy you don't work for Microsoft, as your attitude is completely backwards.

  • [-]
  • NoLasagna
  • -2 Points
  • 18:28:31, 30 December

Is it really that different than say painting your house in a community? Lots of communities prevent you from painting your house odd colors, just the same as how well kept you keep your lawn. Does the association know better than you? That's no really the point.

Not everyone wants to see people walking around showing off a disgusting display of Windows Phone. /u/gr3ml1n sees that as a negative and guess what, Microsoft agreed with the premise too. Microsoft realizes that it's biggest sellers of the phone are the people that actually use it and show it to their friends.

  • [-]
  • GhostOfRomney
  • -1 Points
  • 19:32:23, 30 December

Yeah it is.

  • [-]
  • NoLasagna
  • 0 Points
  • 19:36:59, 30 December

Nope. You don't own Microsoft intellectual property rights, you get no say. Don't like it, vote with your dollars and buy something else because that is the only right you have.

  • [-]
  • GhostOfRomney
  • 1 Points
  • 20:19:22, 30 December

Changing the color of tiles is vastly different than the color of your fucking house. No one has to stare at my start screen, but your neighbors have little choice but looking at your house. Don't be a fucking knob.

Also, not for nothing, but Microsoft added MORE background choices and colors in the most recent revision of Windows 8. Your argument is based purely on your own opinion, not Microsoft's stance on anything.

And just to be clear, I'm not talking about mixing and matching a rainbow of colors. Why does the thought of me using a slightly different shade of yellow or red than the stock option offend you so deeply?

  • [-]
  • GhostOfRomney
  • 1 Points
  • 16:15:02, 30 December

Side-loading doesn't automatically equal piracy. I use it constantly on android for legitimate purchases made through other venues, like humble bundle and f-droid. Your ignorance is palpable.

  • [-]
  • gr3ml1n
  • -3 Points
  • 16:55:59, 30 December

Your thoughts about human behavior is palpable. Side loading is available for those who need it.

What do you think, what is more of in the Earth: Some hillbilly downloading GTA San Andreals for free to his phone, or those who download little known open source softwares, or buys games for charity?

  • [-]
  • GhostOfRomney
  • 0 Points
  • 17:21:01, 30 December

Piracy will always exist, and it usually ends up helping the industry by generating interest in the product by paying customers. Restricting side-loading only prevents honest people like me from using my phone in a legal way. Humble Bundle is just one example.

  • [-]
  • NoLasagna
  • -1 Points
  • 18:37:35, 30 December

Save the pro-pirating rhetoric for the other circle jerk sub reddits. Not paying for something is stealing. Your attempt to show that pirating is actually doing some sort of bigger favor than paying, can be shoved directly up your ass.

  • [-]
  • GhostOfRomney
  • -2 Points
  • 19:13:32, 30 December

There are legitimate reasons to side load, as I mentioned. I'm not pro-piracy, I'm pro-side loading. I'm just used to making decisions based on data rather than propaganda, hence my statement about piracy. I wasn't attempting to show anything, so you can fuck right off with that.

  • [-]
  • NoLasagna
  • 0 Points
  • 19:40:02, 30 December

You were attempting to legitimize pirating as something greater than just actually buying the content. That's the whole point of actually putting that sentence in your post. So again, insert those words directly up your ass.

You can side load two apps if I'm not mistaken. So go nuts. Those are the terms Microsoft has set for you.

  • [-]
  • GhostOfRomney
  • 0 Points
  • 20:16:13, 30 December

No, I wasn't. I bought every game I have on Android from Humble Bundle. I then side-load them. How is that piracy or supporting piracy? Stop frothing at the mouth for a second and read what I actually wrote.

Locks only keep honest people out. Preventing side-loading only keeps honest folks like me from enjoying services like Humble Bundle, and quite honestly that was a factor in my most recent phone purchasing decision. Piracy will always exist, bud. Get over yourself.

  • [-]
  • y2bd
  • 0 Points
  • 10:12:30, 30 December

>region unlocking = piracy

Explain.

  • [-]
  • gr3ml1n
  • -4 Points
  • 10:13:57, 30 December

Using spotify or xbox music outside of the allowed regions are piracy because it is not licensed to be played in other county.

  • [-]
  • GhostOfRomney
  • 1 Points
  • 16:17:41, 30 December

So if I buy my phone in the US where it is licensed for Spotify, and I take it with me on vacation for a month somewhere Spotify isn't licensed, you're saying that I will destroy the music industry (which Spotify already kinda does) by using it there. Sounds legit.

  • [-]
  • gr3ml1n
  • -4 Points
  • 16:47:47, 30 December

If King Ching Un (made up name) and his 1000 friends start listening to xbox music in fuck nowhere, then it does make a remarkable loss. Spotify is good because at least it the music industry get's the advertisement money

  • [-]
  • GhostOfRomney
  • -2 Points
  • 17:22:33, 30 December

Lol. 1000 people? Remarkable loss? At least wipe the shit off your nonsense after you pull it out of your ass to post.

  • [-]
  • gr3ml1n
  • -1 Points
  • 20:05:24, 30 December

what's all the anger from nowhere? You starting to sound more nervous.

  • [-]
  • NoLasagna
  • 0 Points
  • 20:08:45, 30 December

He just doesn't have an argument other than "me me me mine mine mine, whatever benefits me, don't care about anyone else."

  • [-]
  • GhostOfRomney
  • 0 Points
  • 20:11:11, 30 December

You guys are pretty hostile. Clearly you don't understand that services like Spotify already damage the music industry in that artists make little to nothing per play. If you think 1,000 people would have a "remarkable impact" on a service this scale, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

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  • [-]
  • GhostOfRomney
  • 0 Points
  • 20:13:21, 30 December

Your nonsense, pulled from your ass, smells like shit. Not anger, just pure observation. You are literally pulling fictitious examples out of nowhere to bolster your very weak argument that my ability to continue using a service that my phone came with in a region where I happen to be temporarily will somehow bankrupt an industry. You didn't even counter my argument, you made up a straw man to argue against anyhow.

  • [-]
  • Kar98_Byf42
  • -3 Points
  • 14:06:00, 30 December

> you forgetting that internet is actually not free.

Nope, I'm actually paying for it.

  • [-]
  • sigismond0
  • 6 Points
  • 14:35:51, 30 December

No, you're paying for access to the internet. The ads you block are what pays for the servers that the internet runs on. If web ads were to disappear tomorrow, the internet would fall apart.

  • [-]
  • Kar98_Byf42
  • 0 Points
  • 14:40:36, 30 December

I'm also paying to have my sites hosted. And I'm paying for traffic. I've been online since 1994, coming up on 20 years. You know how many times I've clicked on a web ad and bought something, i.e. generated actual income for somebody? Not a single time. If web ads were to disappear, nothing of consequence would happen.

  • [-]
  • sigismond0
  • 4 Points
  • 14:56:18, 30 December

A lot of sites would either die off or go behind a paywall. If you think that ads don't actually generate major revenue, you're completely wrong. Any site that isn't actively making revenue (sales sites, etc) has to have some way to pay for their hosting. And unless they happen to have a really dedicated owner who doesn't mind the money sink, they need something to cover those costs.

The fact that you don't click on them doesn't mean they don't work.

  • [-]
  • Kar98_Byf42
  • -1 Points
  • 14:58:37, 30 December

All the sites and servers I'm operating make money. None of them need ads.

  • [-]
  • sigismond0
  • 4 Points
  • 15:04:27, 30 December

Good for you. Not all sites inherently generate revenue. For example, Reddit. Without people subscribing or ads, there would be nothing paying to keep this site up other than the owner's wallet. The money has to come from somewhere.

You do realize that you are not a perfect cross-section of the entire internet, right? How do you propose that Reddit would stay afloat without ads?

  • [-]
  • Kar98_Byf42
  • -1 Points
  • 15:14:25, 30 December

> How do you propose that Reddit would stay afloat without ads?

Same way I'm running other member-driven sites profitably without ads. It's a multi-pronged approach and depends on the subject/theme of the site, and reddit, for instance, is already doing most of it. Optional paid memberships, which give access to "special" forums, is a good start. Merchandise. Raffles open only to paid members. Industry sponsors. i.e. make those astro turfers pay. Looking at you, Costco. Special features available only to paid members. Access to the basic site remains free, but if you want to change the theme/layout, edit the top bar, have more than one account etc.? Pay up.

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  • sigismond0
  • 3 Points
  • 15:16:38, 30 December

Isn't that exactly the point--the internet isn't free? The vast majority would rather have ads that they can ignore than have to cross a paywall.

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  • internetf1fan
  • 31 Points
  • 02:24:30, 30 December

I understand the concerns about piracy bu we NEED this. This way MS can also see what features are in demand by seeing how people tweak their phones. It will make WP much better for everyone. Keep in mind that the jailbreak community really pushed apple to evolve iOS in terms of functionality.

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  • GxArn
  • -3 Points
  • 07:29:30, 30 December

Is piracy a concern? Can't we already side-load apps?

  • [-]
  • zimm3rmann
  • 1 Points
  • 16:35:25, 30 December

Not apps that add features beyond what market apps could have.

  • [-]
  • gr3ml1n
  • -18 Points
  • 10:00:46, 30 December

No we don't. People are going to costumize it to an ugly and unstable system. If you walk around with an ugly and unreliable system, the community around you will note that your phone sucks

  • [-]
  • WillWalrus
  • 7 Points
  • 10:40:26, 30 December

That doesn't stop people from buying Android phones, so why should it matter if someone makes their phone "ugly?"

  • [-]
  • Santa_fat
  • 4 Points
  • 11:41:04, 30 December

It's like saying "Don't buy this car dude its engine is great but parts are cheap and everyone have bad customizations"...

  • [-]
  • disturbedfood
  • 1 Points
  • 12:13:08, 30 December

You can just not jailbreak it or not install anything to make it slow and unstable?

  • [-]
  • sigismond0
  • 1 Points
  • 14:31:50, 30 December

That's the silliest thing I've ever heard. Anyone proficient enough to jailbreak and actually do anything useful with it will know enough not to ruin their phone with it.

And anyone stupid enough to mod their jailbroken phone so far as to make it unstable is an idiot and shouldn't be the ones you judge the OS by.

In any case--jailbreaking iOS and rooting Android is a huge plus for those that do it. Why would WP be any different?

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  • NotiLoch
  • 12 Points
  • 02:45:15, 30 December

Window break...

  • [-]
  • ZombieHoratioAlger
  • 12 Points
  • 04:11:16, 30 December

Defenestrate!

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  • y2bd
  • 1 Points
  • 08:39:44, 30 December

If this was an actual vote I'd totally vote for calling his defenestration.

  • [-]
  • y2bd
  • 9 Points
  • 02:21:32, 30 December

Lotta hubbub about piracy in these comments. Wouldn't we also have to break the encryption on the XAPs first? Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think that jailbreaking would instantly lead to that. Plus, if we already knew how to decrypt the XAP files, seeing as MS makes it so easy to dev unlock your phone (and for free!) we could already have been sideloading cracked applications.

Edit: for people who are confused, XAPs are the containers for packaged and signed WP applications. You can kind of liken them to .exe files for desktop Windows, although I believe they're more like installers instead of the applications themselves.

  • [-]
  • endswithperiod
  • 1 Points
  • 20:55:34, 30 December

so more like .msi?

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  • tva388
  • -9 Points
  • 04:48:05, 30 December

You'd best be careful...

With talk like that you might be accused of being a dirty thief.

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  • y2bd
  • 4 Points
  • 05:14:27, 30 December

There are some pretty silly arguments going on. I mean, I definitely lean closer to the "piracy = theft" side of the fence, but thinking "rooting/jailbreaking/whatever = piracy" is silly.

Even iOS has/had methods of installing cracked applications without jailbreaking.

  • [-]
  • tva388
  • 0 Points
  • 05:27:46, 30 December

I agree. And while I personally don't think "piracy" is "theft", I also don't pirate because I understand that doing so only hurts the developers/artists/etc.

The takeaway I got from OP's link was "more freedom on and for WP" not "Avast, ye scallywags, we pirates be boradin' ya."

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  • gr3ml1n
  • -9 Points
  • 09:58:16, 30 December

Piracy is stealing. There's not really much to be accused of. Jailbreaking is unfair use of a software, but if you download apps to you phone that's stealing.

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  • kabloink
  • 25 Points
  • 00:04:52, 30 December

I will be a happy puppy if this leads to ad blocking for IE.

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  • hassantaher
  • 2 Points
  • 00:10:52, 30 December

Yeah, nice one. Why not? :) We'll hopefully see developers making something like that.

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  • gr3ml1n
  • -32 Points
  • 00:36:02, 30 December

thats dumb. remember internet is not free. there are people working to deliver you the content. don't be so selfish

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  • Shotz718
  • 17 Points
  • 01:49:27, 30 December

The internet isn't free for users either. Mobile data can be expensive, and mobile ads just zap a limited users data allowance.

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  • gr3ml1n
  • -15 Points
  • 10:05:58, 30 December

it's fucking cheap. and from that service money they see nothing. But what do you think, where does the journalist get the money from? You sir, are selfish bastard

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  • Tupsuboi
  • 1 Points
  • 13:10:51, 30 December

Well, google is already rich as fuck and theres fooking ads everywhere in youtube so In my opinion its not that bad if you disable them. Yes, its selfish, but I don't want to give extra money for greedy company. I accept normal banner adds, but adds before video are too much.

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  • andrewbares
  • -3 Points
  • 15:11:10, 30 December

Seriously? You're messed up.

Those ads go to supporting the content creators of YouTube too, not just Google.

By blocking ads you're also screwing over people who create videos on YouTube, and they probably "need" the money. Your argument fails.

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  • STEFOOO
  • -3 Points
  • 16:08:04, 30 December

Nobody forces these 'youtube celebrities' to not have a job and commit 100% of their time doing daily videos ?

  • [-]
  • andrewbares
  • 0 Points
  • 16:23:52, 30 December

That's like saying nobody forces [insert favorite WP app developer] to commit 100% of their time making apps, and therefore we should be able to obtain apps without paying for them.

Your argument fails because you assume the false conclusion that having a YouTube account is not a job.

Having a YouTube account IS a job for many people. Just like being a cashier is a job.

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  • STEFOOO
  • -3 Points
  • 17:04:45, 30 December

Having a youtube account IS NOT a job.

A cashier is a job because it was intended to.

YouTube was a video sharing website, they didn't intend to make being a 'Youtube celebrity' a job or paying people to do it.

Some people were being more famous than other and started generating enough revenue (with ads) to leave their job and keep doing it full time, that's it.

I'm pretty sure that if you want money you won't go "welp, let's go make youtube videos full time, it pays good"

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  • andrewbares
  • 4 Points
  • 17:14:59, 30 December

Then you have a fundamental disagreement with the majority of society.

Whether something is "intended to" be a job has nothing to do with whether it IS a job.

I could say "Being a musician was never intended to be a job. Therefore, I'm going to steal their albums!"

That's a false argument though, because regardless of whether being a musician was originally intended to be a job, they ARE a job now.

And yes, people do try to make a living on full-time YouTube videos. Just like people try to make a living making apps for Windows Phone. Some people, like Rudy, are able to turn that hobby into a full-time job.

If the world was full of people like you, we wouldn't have Rudy making all these apps, because what he does "isn't a job" according to you.

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  • gr3ml1n
  • -3 Points
  • 13:33:10, 30 December

What do you watch on youtube? Anything that the users make, make it to have money out of it. They get money because there are ads before their videos. They get money they can make more. you act selfish they cant have money they won't make anything, and you can live in your world full of selfish fuckers

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  • Shotz718
  • 1 Points
  • 13:52:47, 30 December

On some services and in many developing nations, mobile data access is charged PER KILOBYTE still. Just because data is inexpensive to you doesn't mean it is to everyone else. Pages also render faster without ads, helping lower-end devices browse better. The selfish bastard would be the person that fills their website with annoying ads that tax the limited resources of my device every time I visit it.

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  • NoLasagna
  • -1 Points
  • 18:20:35, 30 December

Don't visit the website. The selfish person is the person that feels the hard work of others whether tangible or intangible (intellectual property) is allowed to be consumed without fully respecting the terms for which the creator provides it. If the creator wants to present it with ads, than that's all there is to it. As the consumer of said work you don't get to dictate any terms of the creator.

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  • Shotz718
  • 1 Points
  • 18:43:13, 30 December

What about a situation such as email, wherein the website was once a stellar design you had no problems with but has now changed. Possibly under direction of a new administrator, or the advertising company changing their scripting. Say its for business purposes and you cannot feasibly change your email provider and linking overnight. But, installing a simple adblock remedys the situation and allows you to carry on?

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  • NoLasagna
  • 0 Points
  • 19:45:34, 30 December

Living ethically and morally isn't about what is easiest for you. What you just typed was the textbook definition of selfish and mooching. It isn't about anyone but you and what you want and what you can do, just for you. It doesn't matter if your "free" email service is supported by ads because you only care about you. And what you can get.

You're not a victim. And your false victimhood doesn't give you a license to just take advantage.

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  • Shotz718
  • 1 Points
  • 20:10:04, 30 December

Who said it had to be a free email service? In that scenario, it could well have been a corporate hosted service, and its users have reasonable expectations of how the service should continue. In many cases, people invested into something cannot just move simply as they please. I can stop using wikipedia if they introduce annoying ads. I cannot however switch a corporate email provider and all its services and listings overnight. You would lose my business in the long run, but for the short term, things have to work.

If Windows Phone/Android/iOS should introduce ads directly into the operating system itself, and you manage a fleet of corporate phones on a limited corporate data plan, you could just go out and get everyone a new device tomorrow? And manage to have everything integrated into the new phone/OS combination in such a timely manner that business wouldn't be interrupted at all?

To say the people who use a vital service (especially that they pay for) have absolutely no say in how its operated is an extremely elitist attitude. And its attitudes like that, that effectively make me never want to use a product you designed, or pirate it out of spite.

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  • eRWT
  • 10 Points
  • 21:55:43, 29 December

The big deal here is that a Lumia device has been "jailbroken" as they have been notoriously impenetrable throughout WP7 and WP8 (exception: Lumia 710). Fully and "interop" unlocked devices is not a new concept on Windows Phone, it was quite common on HTC and Samsung phones in the WP7.x days and we did have a Cydia-like store called Bazaar (very few apps though).

The most exciting part about this would be potential registry edit, as it would for example, be possible to enable access to the built in Podcast functionality in countries where it currently isn't.

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  • droberts0503
  • 2 Points
  • 13:41:07, 30 December

Whatever you want to call it or whatever you do with it, the first and constant thing jailbreaking a phone does is make your phone significantly less secure. In my opinion, whatever the benefit to you personally is the biggest beneficiary are those who want to abuse your phone for their own means. I wouldn't use jailbreak a phone unless it was a dev phone, not mine and was specifically used for security testing.

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  • sueha
  • 4 Points
  • 20:56:27, 29 December

Why would you jailbreak a windows phone?

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  • hassantaher
  • 41 Points
  • 21:11:06, 29 December

With jailbreaking you could do a lot of stuff with your phone, similar to the Cydia features. For example you could add another row of tiles, change the color of the tiles with custom colors, add transparency, enable wallpapers, change the way multitasking works and looks like (think of swipe to close apps), add Windows 8 features like Charms bar when you swipe into the screen from the right, last app when swiping into the screen from the left, you could add a separate volume control etc etc etc.

This list could go on and on. And I'm happy that we are able to witness this change of development in Windows Phone.

Also, piracy is something that may come to Windows Phone but I think it will not be a big issue, if we as a WP community keep supporting great developers and their apps. You are still human, you can still make the right decision between piracy and supporting the ecosystem.

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  • Mousi
  • 1 Points
  • 19:48:19, 30 December

If theres a way to enable Android-level multitasking for higher end WPs, that alone would be enough to get me back to WP.

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  • hassantaher
  • 1 Points
  • 19:52:00, 30 December

To be honest I like the way Windows Phone multitasks with freezing apps you don't use but letting them use music or GPS on the background. But I would like to see the Snap feature from Windows 8 so we can have multiwindow multitasking. Similar to the Galaxy Note feature.

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  • MrXBob
  • -36 Points
  • 22:12:15, 29 December

>Also, piracy is something that may come to Windows Phone but I think it will not be a big issue, if we as a WP community keep supporting great developers and their apps. You are still human, you can still make the right decision between piracy and supporting the ecosystem.

I love that even in your text I can just feel how little you believe that yourself. This will lead to massive piracy, and you know it. It always has and it always will.

Fuck jailbreaking.

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  • tva388
  • 16 Points
  • 22:22:39, 29 December

More freedom is always better than less freedom, especially when it comes to hardware that you own. You wouldn't buy a laptop where the only software you could install was approved of by some third party, why would you insist a phone be that way?

If you're concerned about piracy, develop the next great antipiracy measure. If not, support the devs instead of pirating.

Jailbreaking = freedom.

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  • guer_j
  • 1 Points
  • 05:49:04, 30 December

I have no problem supporting devs, my only issue is, who are those devs? I'm sure many are well intentioned innovators but there's always the few assholes that want a quick buck mixed with plain criminals.

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  • ssps
  • 1 Points
  • 18:15:22, 30 December

This is very incorrect. More freedom is not always better. Restrictions boost creativity.

Analogy with the laptop is broken. For one, it is not a laptop, its a completely different class of devices. But even on laptops you can't install anything you want if it is managed properly -otherwise it becomes zoo of malware very very quickly.

If the same happens to the phones (and it will, remember users not changing default password after jailbraking and enabling ssh?) this would be rather big issue, since your phone knows much more about you than your laptop.

And for the customizations beyond what os already allows - I would not trust anyone besides msft/oems/soc vendor to do it properly. There is huge amount of complexity and jailbraking and fiddling with phone internals by third party is like trying to improve clockwork with an axe.

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  • gr3ml1n
  • -1 Points
  • 10:07:59, 30 December

More freedom means stupid people have more ways to fuck it up. jailbreaking makes the phone unstable and unreliable

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  • MrXBob
  • -27 Points
  • 22:28:31, 29 December

>If not, support the devs instead of pirating

That's such a pathetic statement. "If you don't want to steal, then don't! Support the creators instead, so they can keep making cool things for the rest of us to steal! Thanks bud."

That is how you sound.

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  • tva388
  • 10 Points
  • 22:31:35, 29 December

Thank you for the trollish name calling, but it's actually called free choice and free thought.

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  • MrXBob
  • -17 Points
  • 22:36:01, 29 December

It's called stealing. Sugar coat it however you like, it's still stealing.

There's literally no way to make it sound good. It it stealing.

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  • hassantaher
  • 14 Points
  • 22:56:11, 29 December

Dude, relax. Yes, piracy is stealing, nobody disagrees with you.

It's just a dirty piece of the cake, you can choose to not eat it. Not everybody wants piracy but we do want a jailbreak community in which we can show Microsoft what features we want in the next updates by implementing those features by ourselves.. That is possible with jailbreaking.

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  • MrXBob
  • -18 Points
  • 23:05:34, 29 December

I'm all for that - it's just the most obvious side effect.

Well, I say sided effect... the whole reason people jailbreak devices in the first place is to install apps without paying for them. It's the reason people wanted to build the workarounds to begin with.

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  • cobra9613
  • 6 Points
  • 01:27:34, 30 December

No, the whole reason people jailbreak is to have more freedom with their hardware they just played $100 to $500 for. Why limit yourself when you can make so many more actions possible with just a few months of programming and tweeking to create a jailbreak. Have you ever used a jail broken iPhone? Its pretty damn amazing and I hate iPhones. Just imagine what can be done with a large jail breaking windows community.

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  • tva388
  • 5 Points
  • 22:49:31, 29 December

Back to OP's topic instead of this RIAA/MPAA-sponsored tangent... WP is potentially jailbroken, this means increased consumer choice with a product the end user spends their money to own outright. Free choice will dictate what people do with that freedom, just as free choice determines people's actions in every day life around the world.

If you think piracy is theft, don't steal. Simple as that.

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  • MrXBob
  • -13 Points
  • 23:03:51, 29 December

>If you think piracy is theft, don't steal. Simple as that.

If you think walled-garden gadgets are restrictive, don't buy them. Simple as that.

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  • tva388
  • 0 Points
  • 23:06:51, 29 December

If this thread thread has proven anything, it's that I could just select what I like and wait for the OS to be jailbroken...

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  • Kamiru_
  • 1 Points
  • 02:38:55, 30 December

Even if he was going to pirate something it would be copying, not stealing .

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  • AngryNil
  • 1 Points
  • 06:58:21, 30 December

I don't see how copying is more correct than stealing.

The supposed problem with the word stealing is that with pirated software, the creator does not actually lose a material good. But copying implies nothing more than the reproduction of such a thing. That's not the same as freely obtaining something that the creator only legally distributes for a fee, even if that something is immaterial.

But really, I find that whole debate to be awful. It's an argument over semantics to bring the focus away from the inherent moral incorrectness of piracy.

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  • nivadia274
  • 0 Points
  • 02:37:35, 30 December

If you don't want to jailbreak don't do it. Let us do our thing. I have a jailbroken iPhone and the only reason why switching to WP is currently so hard for me is because of those few tweaks I use everyday

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  • Dession
  • -5 Points
  • 03:37:08, 30 December

I hate the fact that you got down voted in to oblivion for having a moral compass. Piracy is wrong. Most people who jailbreak do it to steal. I will never support this.

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  • MrXBob
  • -9 Points
  • 04:25:37, 30 December

Glad Im not alone! Seeing people justify their theft is so pathetic.

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  • meNOTgusta
  • -10 Points
  • 03:50:05, 30 December

lol..then get Android. You can do a lot of stuff without rooting the device.

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  • y2bd
  • 1 Points
  • 08:43:14, 30 December

People say similar things when others talk about jailbreaking iOS ("Why bother with all of this mess when you can do it easy with Android?").

The open-ness of Android is great, but there's a reason that the iOS jailbreak scene is so huge—the OS is worth this slaving over. The freedom of an open phone is great, but it's not the deciding factor for a lot of people.

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  • deadkennedy
  • 7 Points
  • 20:58:42, 29 December

I'm going to assume its to get dev unlock type functionality to allow unsigned and side loaded XAP files (eg piracy and homebrew applications)

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  • parkerreno
  • 3 Points
  • 00:29:00, 30 December

WP7 had "jailbreaks" and piracy wasn't really an issue (as far as I know), especially after they started encrypting XAPs on the store. The homebrew stuff was great (Bazaar was the Cydia of WP, I think it is still available, too).

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  • AngryNil
  • 0 Points
  • 05:49:51, 30 December

It wasn't an issue because it was generally a pain to get your phone unlocked. For example, some methods involved flashing a ROM with an older version, like NoDo, then updating and having to run tools to keep the unlock after. And with the lesser demands, there was less user friendliness, there weren't nice front-ends or resources to help you unlock your device. Compare to anyone jailbreaking or rooting these days.

The homebrew stuff was mediocre at best, there really wasn't that much attempted.

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  • parkerreno
  • -1 Points
  • 06:36:18, 30 December

I guess so, Windowbreak was pretty easy (just download and open a zip file on your device), but it didn't work on everything. I would personally love to see what people come up with, iOS homebrew developers have come up with some pretty neat stuff, though I hope it doesn't lead to piracy.

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  • AngryNil
  • 0 Points
  • 06:47:04, 30 December

Yeah, I believe Samsung devices also had a simplified method that was released later on, where you just had to visit a website. The unfortunate thing is that the unlocks came from exploiting the OEM drivers, which is something that will differ between manufacturers and even models. This could make unlocking very hit-or-miss depending on the model, especially with the relatively small user base of Windows Phone. Heck, the 920 was the WP8 flagship and is over a year old, yet it's only been cracked now?

The iOS homebrew community is pretty darn great, but I still think it's greatly overshadowed by the piracy that goes on over there. It's really sad. If this process is easy enough, I'll probably give it a good go (I would just love some random hacker schooling Microsoft with some super easy fix for the other storage problem).

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  • likferd
  • 1 Points
  • 03:50:43, 30 December

That's already an existing functionality. Everybody can sideload 2 non-store applications, if you pay 20 dollars for a developer account you can load 10.

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  • sueha
  • -16 Points
  • 21:01:43, 29 December

Yeah, but I don't get why we should be celebrating this. I like windows phone the way it is and I really hope that this jailbreak is not real. I don't regret a single penny spent for apps I bought so far. I even bought apps for things I don't use - just to support good developers like Rudy Huyn. This is no good for windows phone.

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  • bfodder
  • 15 Points
  • 21:07:28, 29 December

Rooting a device is not all about pirating apps...

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  • sueha
  • -13 Points
  • 21:08:58, 29 December

We are talking about jail breaking, not rooting...

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  • bfodder
  • 14 Points
  • 21:26:06, 29 December

Jailbreaking is a term for rooting that came about with the iPhone. The use of the term for devices other than iOS devices irritates me.

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  • hassantaher
  • -11 Points
  • 21:34:04, 29 December

And rooting is an Android thing. And "the use of the term for devices other than Androids irritates me" ;)

Let's call it tilebreaking, as has something unique from Windows Phone in the term: "tile"

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  • gschizas
  • 15 Points
  • 22:31:56, 29 December

The reason jailbreaking is called jailbreaking is because of the BSD (on which iOS and Mac OS X are based) concept of "jails" (essentially a limited virtual environment, where the applications running inside that "jail" can't see the whole device)

Rooting is again named because Android is Linux based. It means having root access to the device, which means having access to do anything on the device/machine itself.

The equivalent on the Windows world is gaining admin (administrator) access. I'm afraid "adminning" doesn't roll off the tongue though.

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  • STEFOOO
  • 1 Points
  • 22:46:12, 29 December

"userbreaking"

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  • gschizas
  • 4 Points
  • 22:55:21, 29 December

This sounds painful.

Also, "breaking" only has context in the "jailbreak" context - you are not breaking anything, you are impersonating another user (administrator). In fact, Windows' administrator user has more in common with Linux's root user than the breaking out of BSD's virtual environment.

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  • y2bd
  • 0 Points
  • 22:48:43, 29 December

>adminning

Heh, I was thinking the same thing. I also agree that it sounds pretty silly.

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  • gschizas
  • -1 Points
  • 22:55:41, 29 December

Admin-mining perhaps? :)

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  • Shotz718
  • -1 Points
  • 01:46:56, 30 December

This is the post I came here to make after seeing all the bickering over semantics. Upvote for you.

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  • hassantaher
  • -4 Points
  • 22:59:50, 29 December

I did not know this but I do appreciate for informing us!

Edit: What about this one? Random guy Stephen: "Man, I wish I could add the third column to my Windows Phone" Random guy Steve: "Well, you can! You just have to Adcess your Windows Phone."

"Adcess" short for "Admin Access"

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  • bfodder
  • 12 Points
  • 21:42:15, 29 December

Rooting is not an "Android thing". It is simply gaining root access to the device.

Edit: Stop trying to make fetch happen.

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  • y2bd
  • 2 Points
  • 22:00:06, 29 December

But jailbreaking and rooting both make sense and indicate what is happening. "Tilebreaking" doesn't make any sense.

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  • hassantaher
  • -2 Points
  • 22:12:16, 29 December

Hmm, yeah, you're right. I tried to make as WP-like as possible but forgot the most important part; making a term that makes sense. :p

Thanks for the heads-up!

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  • eethomasf32
  • -1 Points
  • 23:45:12, 29 December

Root is just an user on a unix system, that's why there is root on Linux and iOS. On windows this would be something like an administrator account with full rights, maybe "god mode"

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  • hassantaher
  • -2 Points
  • 23:54:42, 29 December

I don't think "god mode" is appropriate as a name. But some alternative would be cool I guess. "Access Mode" "Full Access" "Perfect User/Access"

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  • No_Day_But_Today93
  • 7 Points
  • 21:12:15, 29 December

I don't understand how someone else jail breaking their phone would have any effect on your phone, can you explain this to me?

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  • sueha
  • -8 Points
  • 21:16:42, 29 December

Sure: Let's say this jailbreak becomes really popular in a short time. With the possibility to sideload hacked apps, this would make windows phone much less attractive for developers compared to iOS and android, wouldn't it? And yes, this does affect everybody then.

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  • No_Day_But_Today93
  • 7 Points
  • 21:34:56, 29 December

But people already jailbreak iOS and Android devices so I don't understand what would make this any different.

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  • eRWT
  • 0 Points
  • 21:48:39, 29 December

People with dev unlocked devices can already sideload cracked apps.

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  • ingi0m4r
  • 4 Points
  • 21:58:50, 29 December

Only 2 or 3

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  • Icomefromb
  • -1 Points
  • 06:23:59, 30 December

You want to hear something that will blow your mind? I pay for jailbreak tweaks and not everyone is a dirty theif that jailbreaks. Amazing how someone could POSSIBLY have a different than you, right?

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  • sueha
  • 3 Points
  • 06:47:14, 30 December

Well then, you don't seem to belong to the group of people I was worrying about. In fact, I might even use the jailbreak myself. But that doesn't change the fact that many will circumvent payments for apps. Maybe not you, maybe not me. But let it only be 30.000 people who load a cracked version of 6tag instead of buying it for $1 (don't remember the price). This would mean a 10.000$ loss for a good developer. My personal needs for tweaking something doesn't weigh up the damage that is done by other through app piracy.

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  • AustinRiversDaGod
  • 3 Points
  • 03:29:17, 30 December
  • Better bluetooth options
  • A real notification center (possibly)
  • more theme color options
  • VPN (possibly)
  • Gapless playback (possibly)
  • Ad blocking on IE
  • Options to let apps open other apps (opening links in browsers other than IE; opening YT links in Mytube or MetroTube, Twitter links in Twitter, etc)
  • Homebrew apps
  • Piracy (unfortunately)
  • Nokia exclusive apps on non Nokia devices
  • Loading already bought books onto the Kindle app
  • Random design tweaks
  • A file browser
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  • woutervoorschot
  • 1 Points
  • 07:46:09, 30 December

On the unlocked wp7's there was a notification center from windowsphonehacker.

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  • real_tea
  • -7 Points
  • 21:55:40, 29 December

To make it more like an android phone.

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  • TreeMiner
  • 1 Points
  • 15:59:02, 30 December

Nobody wants that...

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  • likferd
  • -3 Points
  • 03:48:17, 30 December

The same reason people root androids and jailbreak iphones?

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  • Kar98_Byf42
  • 1 Points
  • 00:36:22, 30 December

Honestly, the only reason I ever did jailbreak iPhones was to circumvent the SIM lock. Didn't bother with it anymore since I bought a factory unlocked 3GS, and see no reason to do it now since I'm using a phone off contract that was meant for the carrier I'm using it on. That was my only "pro" jb. There were many more cons and I am quiet glad I don't have to bother with it anymore. Instability, weird glitches, strange interactions between features that seem unrelated, always having to wait to update one's phone until a new jailbreak comes around, oh, and never knowing what else is hidden in the stuff from Cydia.

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  • Icomefromb
  • 2 Points
  • 06:21:49, 30 December

If you jailbreak the phone and leave it at that, the phone will function the exact same way. It depends on what you have installed that will give you weird and unwanted results.

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  • Kar98_Byf42
  • -1 Points
  • 14:12:23, 30 December

Nope. At least that wasn't the case with the iPhone jailbreaks. They all relied on breaking something, and even without installing anything yet after the jailbreak. One of them crashed the entire phone as soon as an app tried to call up another app. The fix for that left two large lines across the "send" button. The entire phone's overall performance went straight down the crapper. And other fun things like that.

On the other hand, installing custom ROMs on pre-7 Windows Mobile phones actually made them better, and even that's not necessary anymore because the whole concept of the architecture has changed and there's plenty of storage available now. No more otherwise un-installable crapware, no more scrounging for a couple more megabytes of storage, no more freeing app RAM.

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  • Icomefromb
  • 2 Points
  • 18:04:53, 30 December

There's so much misinformation in this that I don't even know where to start.

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  • Kar98_Byf42
  • -1 Points
  • 18:08:18, 30 December

No no, do start.

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  • Icomefromb
  • 2 Points
  • 18:22:00, 30 December

I have worked with members of the chronic Dev team. I know how jailbreaks work, I promise. I've been jailbreaking for 4 years. If something goes wrong with your jailbreak, then it was a shitty beta jailbreak that you tried out, or you installed sketchy repos and got stuff from there. Do NOT try to debate me with this. You've been called out once now, don't keep making it worse for yourself.

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  • Kar98_Byf42
  • 0 Points
  • 18:29:45, 30 December

Oh nooo, I've been called out! I'm literally shaking with fear.

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  • Icomefromb
  • 1 Points
  • 19:47:08, 30 December

Since you obviously couldn't dispute what I said, you're just proving my point even further that you don't know what you're talking about.

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  • Kar98_Byf42
  • 1 Points
  • 19:51:07, 30 December

Yeah yeah yeah, whatever. Freaking noobsauce. All you had to say to the actual points I've made was "nuh-uh!" Do you think that actually constitutes having a discussion?

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  • HerbertSnow
  • -3 Points
  • 01:00:11, 30 December

I don't want Chinese hackers anywhere near my phone.

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  • MoopusMaximus
  • 32 Points
  • 02:08:00, 30 December

I never understood this. Just because they're Chinese shouldn't mean you should be scared. If this was an American I'm sure you'd have no problem with it. The notion that all Chinese people are evil and only want to spy on you needs to end.

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  • likferd
  • 11 Points
  • 03:45:30, 30 December

I'll give you a tip. 60+ years of hardcore anti-russian and anti-chinese propaganda.

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  • Kamiru_
  • 13 Points
  • 02:36:00, 30 December

With all the NSA leaks (and todays big leak) I'd rather want a chinese company than an American company touching my phone.

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  • HerbertSnow
  • -12 Points
  • 04:45:03, 30 December

That's dumb.

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  • skyline385
  • 0 Points
  • 05:36:31, 30 December

So is your stupid comment.

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  • HerbertSnow
  • -10 Points
  • 08:15:46, 30 December

So hurt, but your post is still pretty dumb.

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  • skyline385
  • -3 Points
  • 09:00:31, 30 December

You are the epitome of stupidness and i am awfully sad that i came across this thread. I didn't know we had Xenophobic retards in this sub and i will never be able to look at it the same.

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  • dreed18
  • 1 Points
  • 21:56:28, 30 December

I just wanna choose whatever color I want to for my color theme.

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  • tva388
  • 1 Points
  • 03:08:56, 30 December

Just noticed the version numbers @1.06 of the video are all higher than what's on my 920.

Has this been confirmed not to just be a Dev version of the 8.1 build that allows 3 icons/row and other minor differences?

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  • testingatwork
  • 1 Points
  • 20:11:48, 30 December

The version number matches the Dev preview of GDR 3, 8.0.10521.155.

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  • pizzaboy192
  • 0 Points
  • 20:53:28, 29 December

Lets hope its legit and not just another hoax.

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  • hassantaher
  • 2 Points
  • 20:57:41, 29 December

I thought that video looked quite real though.

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  • brandoshido
  • 0 Points
  • 06:06:53, 30 December

I would love to be able to alter the splash screen. That was one of my most favorite things about android and rooting.

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  • sunXsamurai
  • -3 Points
  • 02:54:21, 30 December

So essentially it will add features that completely step away from the simple elegance of windows phone and turn it into a vomit inducing wallpapered glittery nightmare? Skip the wait and get a Galaxy..

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  • skyline385
  • 5 Points
  • 09:03:36, 30 December

If you don't like it, don't use it. WTF is the problem with the people in this thread?

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  • STEFOOO
  • 2 Points
  • 21:29:16, 30 December

retarded teenagers

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  • luacs1998
  • -1 Points
  • 04:27:12, 30 December

It's a jailbreak, it requires some skill to accomplish.

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  • woutervoorschot
  • 0 Points
  • 22:43:55, 29 December

In the video the guy opens a app called wph tweaks. Didn't wph(windowsphonehacker) released an app called tweaks? Besides, I really like this since I have a 920 and I would really like 3 columns! :D

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  • andrewbares
  • 2 Points
  • 01:09:36, 30 December

Hopefully you have more than 3 rows on your screen. That would be a short start screen.

You guys mean columns lol

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  • woutervoorschot
  • 0 Points
  • 01:12:17, 30 December

Oooops... Edited

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  • parkerreno
  • 2 Points
  • 01:50:13, 30 December

I was on XDA earlier and it looks like someone is remaking WPH Tweaks for WP8 (though I don't really agree with using the same name since WPH isn't making or endorsing it).

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  • Santa_fat
  • 0 Points
  • 01:53:41, 30 December

I am really excited to see this coming \^_^ I hope to see this become a real thing soon :)

Hopefully OP or someone posts when this comes out.

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  • gr3ml1n
  • -24 Points
  • 23:55:32, 29 December

Fuck him, fuck you, fuck this shit.

WP was a platform that a publisher could have been sure that if he makes an app people will buy that if it's good. Not pirating it. So it will be over soon. Fuck Jailbreaking point one

WP was a platform that is beautiful, simple and unique. Yes it was closed, but for a reason. To not to became android. Slow, unstable, and ugly. Fuck Jailbreaking!

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  • parkerreno
  • 3 Points
  • 00:25:09, 30 December

Then don't jailbreak if you don't want to... There are plenty of good reasons to do it (extra customization, apps that weren't allowed the marketplace, etc). Windowbreaking my Focus made it so much better and allowed me to get apps that weren't on the store.

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  • gr3ml1n
  • -2 Points
  • 00:34:21, 30 December

I won't jailbreak, but thousands will, and they will rip the system apart, download any pay requied apps which has heavy work behind them. It's not good. It's the worst thing ever going to happen to Windows Phone

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  • parkerreno
  • 1 Points
  • 00:39:05, 30 December

WP7 had jailbreaks and piracy isn't really an issue, and the store changed shortly after to prevent free downloads of paid applications. Yes, someone will probably enable app piracy at some point, but also have to look at the benefits, jailbreaking your phone doesn't automatically make you a pirate, nor doesn't it cause detriment to anyone else unless you want it to. Bazaar and WPH created awesome customizations for WP7 that Microsoft didn't (and even fixed the growing cache storage problem).

EDIT: Why not let users customize if they want to? It doesn't make your WP uglier if they do...

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  • gr3ml1n
  • -7 Points
  • 01:33:28, 30 December

It does make it uglier, more unstable, slower. For example look at android! Jailbreak pirating was a problem, because there were paid apps that could have been downloaded. Luckily that jailbreak hasn't became mainstream and too popular.

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  • parkerreno
  • 0 Points
  • 01:48:57, 30 December

> It does make it uglier, more unstable, slower. For example look at android!

I don't understand your argument, not every android is jailbroken (rooted) and you can sideload apps on android even without rooting (and you say piracy isn't a issue). If you think it makes it slower and more unstable, you don't have to jailbreak, but why try to eliminate the possibility for others?

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  • gr3ml1n
  • -2 Points
  • 10:22:57, 30 December

short answer: because it's bad for the community, bad for the future of windows phone.

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  • Kamiru_
  • -1 Points
  • 02:46:22, 30 December

Then don't root your device, I paid 300 euro for my device and I want root access.

Would you buy a laptop or desktop where you can't make modifications or install third party apps?

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  • gr3ml1n
  • -1 Points
  • 10:16:32, 30 December

I don't know I haven't brought a Windows RT :D:D:D

But with all seriousness, no. you only brought the device and the licence to use the software. Only to use it the way it was designed to be

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  • Kamiru_
  • -1 Points
  • 15:25:48, 30 December

"you only brought the device and the licence to use the software. Only to use it the way it was designed to be"

source please

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  • gr3ml1n
  • 2 Points
  • 16:59:50, 30 December

read the ToS

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  • Kamiru_
  • 0 Points
  • 18:30:00, 30 December

I read it but I didn't find anything, can you please post where in the ToS I can find it.

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  • NoLasagna
  • 1 Points
  • 17:16:03, 30 December

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-ca/legal/wp8/windows-phone-terms-of-use

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  • Shotz718
  • -1 Points
  • 01:52:38, 30 December

You never had to alter an android device (save those that were actually altered first by carriers) to sideboard APKs. Piracy is a problem but it doesn't stop millions from buying apps anyways.

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  • gr3ml1n
  • -2 Points
  • 10:21:32, 30 December

we don't fucking have that many millions. don't you get it. Okay we have, let's say, ten million devices. If half a million will jailbreak and deal with piracy that means 500 000 phone loss. 5%. If there is 100 million IOS devices, and one million uses piracy, that 1%. What do you think where will developers go ?

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  • Shotz718
  • 1 Points
  • 14:11:51, 30 December

The point was you could sideload APKs on Android since day one. And that will tempt many to pirate, but hasnt stopped the android market from thriving. Just because WP has a lower marketshare, you assume every developer is going to leave just because you can now modify your OS?

There are limitations to sideloading on android, or jailbreaking on iOS. On android, applications are not automatically updated by the google play store, and some antivirus apps will disable or remove sideloaded apps. On iOS, every time theres a new OS update released, an unknowing user or even a pro by accident might let the OS update removing the jailbreak and rendering some apps unusable.

You're also (incorrectly) assuming EVERYONE who modifies their device is going to pirate. ALL of my android phones have been rooted and I've still paid for apps. My iPhone was jailbroken and I didn't pirate on there either. I used the jailbreaking/rooting to modify the device to do things it couldn't do in its out-of-the-box state.

On older iPhones, jailbreaking was required just to take your LEGALLY PURCHASED phone to another carrier and use MMS messaging. Some early android devices had to be rooted just to have the ability to load the Amazon App Store. They also needed root just to take screenshots, which have now both evolved into an OS feature. So before you wrinkle your panties anymore about piracy, remember that jailbreaking DOES NOT EQUAL pirating. And in the end, can help the OS grow into having new features that it didnt have previously. Benefiting all.

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  • gabrielsfarias
  • 0 Points
  • 11:18:14, 30 December

Then do your part and don't jailbreak.

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  • gr3ml1n
  • -1 Points
  • 00:36:59, 30 December

Also I wrote above what is the problem with user costumization

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  • sueha
  • -7 Points
  • 02:31:33, 30 December

Can't believe that so many people are lying to themselves here. As if it's not gonna end in massive piracy. I've even seen girls jail breaking their iPhones and loading pirated apps on it. You can't be that naive. It's a hack and it does harm the platform than it helps.

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  • TheLongboardWizzard
  • -2 Points
  • 02:45:14, 30 December

Maybe WP should be more open with what they allow us to do with our phones and the access permissions it gives devs. If people were happy with the way their phones worked they wouldn't need to be jail broken.

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  • AKAEnigma
  • -1 Points
  • 02:40:58, 30 December

Guys.. This might bring YouTube back!

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  • gabrielsfarias
  • 5 Points
  • 11:07:14, 30 December

As it is the case with Instagram and Vine, WP8 don't need an official YouTube app when there are excellent 3rd party apps that offer way more features than official ones.

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  • stashtv
  • -1 Points
  • 17:15:26, 30 December

From a half year of use, I want to replace the stock mail and SMS apps. Navigation between multiple messages and notifications are definitely worse than Android/iOS and there isn't anything in MS' plans to make them better.

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  • celestialpizza
  • -2 Points
  • 22:29:43, 29 December

Too bad it's here while 8.1 is just around the corner. Another jailbreak will most likely be needed then.

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  • xpxp2002
  • 6 Points
  • 23:37:29, 29 December

Around the corner? I'd hesitate to say that. It will probably be 9 months before we begin receiving 8.1.

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  • celestialpizza
  • 2 Points
  • 00:13:35, 30 December

I think it'll be announced in Q1 (maybe at MWC) and rolled out a couple months later. 9 months is too long. I'm not downplaying the jailbreak at all. It's really exciting. Just saying that we might not have access to it for long.

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  • WizrdCM
  • -1 Points
  • 02:43:25, 30 December

I've heard roughly Q2 of 2014, as I doubt it'll be Q1 because Update 3 is being rolled out at the moment. Q1 for a proper announcement, earliest rollout around Q2, possibly extended to Q3 to finish off.

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  • _Tank_
  • -19 Points
  • 22:47:47, 29 December

Gonna be honest here,I just want free apps edit: like how everyone is mad like nobody wanted to get free apps before

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  • gr3ml1n
  • 2 Points
  • 17:14:37, 30 December

at least you are honest, not like the rest of these redditors here who is defending the shit out of this

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  • tva388
  • 1 Points
  • 23:04:52, 29 December

I don't think there's a connection between jailbreaking and more developers releasing their apps for free.

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  • hassantaher
  • -2 Points
  • 22:49:52, 29 December

Well, i guess there are people who want free of everything. But go ahead it's not legal, we just don't like you anymore.

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  • MMEnter
  • -1 Points
  • 01:21:23, 30 December

Free Apps and no Adds, ok. Come here and bring me dinner for free.