Brave latino wanders into r/news and asks the "white man" to fuck right off from the US, which rightfully belongs to the indigenous people. Receives warm welcome. (np.reddit.com)
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84 comments submitted at 08:46:32 on Jul 16, 2014 by DiscreteMath
yeah because people of spanish ancestry never treated indigenous peoples poorly
Just because he's Latino doesn't mean he's not at least part native. "Latino" doesn't actually refer to a particular race and it doesn't mean "people of Spanish ancestry" either.
im aware of that, im just pointing out no one is really innocent when it comes to history
So your argument is that because Spain abused American natives, that says exactly what about the way white Americans did the same? Granted the guy did make his point in a rather... spectacular way, but come on.
friend, you are thinking way too hard about this :-D
You sound an awful lot like you're saying, well, Americans weren't so bad, because other people did bad things too. Just saying.
I understand your train of thought, but you're on the losing side of this battle. Get over it and move on. Congrats you got very uppity over a mute point and /u/bumingbai was pleasent about it.
considering americans have a holiday glorifying columbus, id say no american history is rife with evil
By this logic, Colombia is an evil country because they named their country after Columbus.
yeah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColumbusDay#LatinAmerican_observance
>The date Columbus arrived in the Americas is celebrated in many countries in Latin America.
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>The day was first celebrated in Argentina in 1917, Venezuela and Colombia in 1921, Chile in 1922, and Mexico in 1928.
Then we're on the same page, I think. Wasn't there a movement somewhere to get rid of Columbus Day, actually?
Yea there is, I know it's getting some traction here (Massachusetts)
My fifth grade history teacher would campaign every holiday weekend to get rid of it, and even read us the letter he would write to whoever was the current Congressman/woman. I'm from Mass. At least we learned about what Columbus was actually like at that age instead of never.
He would also, oddly enough, refuse to look at Hitler because he made him that angry because he was Jewish. I guess he was just pretty passionate about history.
hopefully
Yeah the Cherokee on the Trail of Tears totally deserved the genocide they received.
As a historian you just sound like an intellectual lazy ass.
Go back in time and ask the Shawnee.
They never said anyone deserved it "just pointing out no one is really innocent when it comes to history" in their exact words.
Saying, "No one is really innocent in history" implies that oppressed groups had to do something to be oppressed. I really hate this balance fallacy because it comes to absurd conclusions in history. There are many things in history are clear cut and dry.
I believe what /u/bumingbai is arguing against is the argument that current Americans should move out because of the violence that was a part of European colonisation of the Americas, when the expansion of Aztecs (I'm assuming because Aztlan) was also violent.
Yes you can say things were clearly bad in history, but to use that as an argument and then ignore it if it applies to your own "side" isn't solid ground to stand on.
Can't everyone agree that humanity as whole has been really really violent and has always been about fucking somebody else over for more land/wealth/power.
I'm pretty sure the guy was being facetious about it but okay.
They might be, but I still think it raises a valid point.
meh im just a fatalist, shit happened in the past, but the future is getting better :-D
>Saying, "No one is really innocent in history" implies that oppressed groups had to do something to be oppressed.
How and where is this implied at all?
its just a knee jerk reaction when confronted with a strange opinion
no worries!
no, its just history is written in blood
its a neutral statement
Hooooolllyyyyshiiiiiiiit. Did you really just say that? What a fucking insensitive comment. You refuse to accept that white people have put PoCs though lots of shit. You're trying down downplay the horrors of the past. I know you're not aware and you mean no malice, but you seriously need to check yourself. Like, what you said is really fucking awful.
Don't mean to be rude, but I genuinely can't tell if you're joking or not.
Well yeah, but I have 1/64 native american in me. That means my ancestors were not *completely" in the wrong. Does this mean I can stay?
Starting an argument from the premise of who deserves something and who does not based on who your ancestors were is bullshit from the start. Why should anyone be put into an expectation that they should pay for the sins of their ancestors, and especially under the sole assumption because of your current race. Most of my ancestors were still in their various home countries while the US was constantly taking more and more land from the natives.