r/Music blows up when a former groupie says the best case scenario for 15 year old girl missing from Warped Tour is that she's having the time of her life (np.reddit.com)
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160 comments submitted at 12:03:41 on Jul 9, 2014 by trashyredditry
My question is, how haven't 15 year old girls gone missing at warped tour before? That's exactly where I would expect that to happen.
Where were the girl's parents or chaperone? I know that when I was 15 there was no way in hell my parents would have let me go to a concert like that unless they went or unless I was going with the parents of friends.
I feel like there's a decent amount of negligent parenting involved here.
Edit: At the very least, had the parents been there with her she probably wouldn't be missing right now.
15 isn't that young to be going to a concert without a chaperone/parents, especially one that big/outdoorsy that's also designed for that age group. I'd think 14/15 is the starting age for most kids to go to concerts alone (depending on the venue/band)
I feel like 15 is young but maybe that's just me. I certainly wouldn't let my 15 year old go to a concert alone.
15: Old enough for sex with adults.
15: Not old enough to go to a freaking concert.
Dude, can you at least make up your mind?
There's a HUGE difference between what someone is capable of doing and what they should be doing. Do I think that a 15 year old is capable of making the decision to have sex with an adult? Yeah. That doesn't mean that I think they should be having sex with adults.
Same with the concert. Sure, a 15 year old is probably capable of going to a concert by themselves. That doesn't mean they should.
If she's capable of going to a concert alone, why do you think she should not? Yeah, let's not have our mid-teens having fun with live music without their parents or some other adult. Just lock them up under the stairs.
She's probably also capable of living alone as well. Do you you think she should?
More to the point, you do realize that had she gone to the concert with an adult she most likely wouldn't be missing now, right?
> capable
If she is capable, she does per definition have the "ability, fitness, or quality necessary to do or achieve a specified thing."
If she can do it, yes, I think she should do it.
This 15 year old may not have had the capability to go to whatever thing this was. I am not even questioning that.
A concert in town with some of her friends that I trusted (more or less), sure. Warped Tour? Hell no.
I don't know about other areas, but Warped Tour in Washington state is at an amphitheater way out in the middle of BFE central Washington, which makes it even more sketchy .
I went to my first concert "alone" (i.e. with friends) when I was 17. It was a large show but not a festival. My parents figured that if they trusted me enough to drive then they should certainly trust me enough to go to a concert by myself.
Prior to that every concert I ever went to was very closely chaperoned.
Well I guess that explains your fucked up view of reality since you were so damn sheltered.
Going to your first concert alone at 17 is far from sheltered. I know kids who couldn't watch MTV and VH1 while they lived at home, couldn't date until they graduated high school - hell some weren't allowed to date while they were in college, some weren't even "allowed" to go to college in a different city, let alone the friend I had that was home schooled because his parents didn't want him getting any bad ideas or thoughts from public school kids.
Trust me, that example isn't anywhere close to being sheltered.
It's sheltered, those are just more extreme cases of being sheltered.
Now wait a minute. You said it was "so damn sheltered", but now it is just "sheltered"? Is "so damn sheltered" less sheltered than the "more extreme cases of being sheltered"?
You couldn't even be constructive in either reply, just a useless dick. Why even bother? Trigger too many sheltered memories? Make ya feel better thinking someone else has a more "fucked up view of reality" because you don't agree with it? Hardly fucked up at all, that person just differs from you.
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I wasn't really sheltered at all. My parents (and the parents of all of my friends) to an active interest in parenting.
I wouldn't dream of letting my teenager go to a concert "alone"
Well then expect your teen to be one of those that gets in a fuckton of trouble when they finally do go out into the world when you arbitrarily deem them ready because you have no trust in youth.
Please. My friends and I used to go to shows at that age all the time, without parents. It's pretty normal.
Times have changed since I was that age I guess. Either that or my parents (and the parents of pretty much everyone I knew) were a lot more strict than parents today.
I mean, I'm not that young. I'm 30. I actually used to go to Warped Tour with my friends, but back then it was mostly punk bands.
Depends how old you are. I used to go to clubs at 14 in 1991. Being the middle child rules.
I'm going to assume that you didn't look 14...
No I probably didn't, I didn't have many issues buying cigarettes or booze either. I wrinkled early.
LOL chaperone at warped tour, at age 15 lmao
I don't see what's so funny about that. I wouldn't let my 15 year old go to the Warped Tour without a chaperone, nor would anyone I know.
And let's face it, had there been proper parental supervision the girl probably wouldn't be missing right now.
I don't think most of the people in that thread understood what mauxly was trying to say. I don't see how hoping the missing girl is just being a wild and crazy teenager could be misconstrued as being wrong. Wouldn't you prefer your daughter to be partying and having fun than raped and dead? Sure, the teenage girl would be an idiot and recklessly endangering her life, but it happens all the time.
I hope she comes home safe.
It get what she was trying to do, but the way she wrote it was a bit off. If she'd just said "let's hope she's just partying somewhere" rather than "let's hope she taking drugs and having underage sex with roadies" it probably would have gone down a lot better. As it is, it come across as if she's trying to glorify that kind of lifestyle, or just bragging about her youth.
If you read her further comments you can see she was just glorifying that lifestyle and is a giant moron.
Yeah, that's what I got out of what /u/mauxly was saying as well. Well, that and "I was a teenage groupie and turned out OK."
>I don't see how hoping the missing girl is just being a wild and crazy teenager could be misconstrued as being wrong.
Well, social justice types refuse to believe/admit that anyone under the age of 18 may be capable of making the decision to have sex with someone over the age of 18 so in their minds if she did run away with a band all of the band members are criminals because the girl couldn't have possibly consented or some bullshit like that. Nevermind the fact that she could have lied about her age and/or had a fake ID.
Likewise, they will all condemn what /u/mauxly did when she was a teenager, which in my mind is the next best thing to "victim blaming" which they seem to hate, unless they are doing it.
Wait you think 15 is too young to be at a concert without a parent but that sex with people who are legal adults would be a-okay? A topic that you spun out of nowhere since we're not even talking about statutory rape here but a girl gone missing.
I never said that I thought it was "a-okay" I just pointed out that people shouldn't automatically assume that she wasn't consenting and/or a active, willing participant.
Aww man, so you created a straw man social justice type and defeated it with the accuracy of a Tarot card reader and then went on to create a false equivalence to round up your drivel. Step away from /r/TumblrInAction and go outside. Your victim mentality is hurting you at this point.
When I clicked on this thread the first thought on my mind was "Gee, I wonder what social justice types think of this, I hope somebody from the opposite end of the spectrum will be willing to give me their best guess!" Not disappointed.
>Thank you! Christ, I've been searching for some Preparation-H to treat the hemorrhoids that this un-lubed SRS-type ass pounding this post has given me.
Yeah, I no longer believe their story.
>Yeah, I no longer believe their story.
I believe it. I can see where an older woman who had sex when she was 15/16 with older men would hate SRS and their view that she was a rape "victim."
I've always gotten the feeling that the average SRSer is under 30 and somewhat socially naive, or at least somewhat sheltered. At the very least I'm not sure they realize that the "world was different then" (to be cliche) and that what they consider a heinous crime was really kinda isn't.
Sure.
There's also the possibility the entire story was made up for the sake of making something up and getting attention.
There's also the possibility that she's actually a unicorn that has learned the English language.
It may be a slight possibility, but it's still a possibility nonetheless.
Did the unicorn have to learn English as a second language? What would one call the native language of a unicorn?
> What would one call the native language of a unicorn?
Uniese or Unish, depending on the region of Unicornia they are from.
Parts of southern Unicornia speak French, too.
It does track the plot of "Almost Famous" suspiciously well.
> There's also the possibility the entire story was made up for the sake of making something up and getting attention.
You could literally say that about every single thing that is posted on Reddit.
Indeed, and it's how I usually view stories on reddit.
How do I know I can believe you?
Upvotes. Definitely the upvotes.
Exactly why I believe everything I read on /r/relationships and /r/sex.
Did you read the one (r/relationships) about the seemingly perfect goody-goody, Jaysus-loving fiancee who called a 5 year old, like, a dirty slut-whore and then proceeded to rant about "niggers vs. black people?" Because it was HILARIOUS.
You make a compelling argument. I will have to consider this new information.
Not everything on this site is /r/thathappened material
Yes the world is different in the middle east where children get fucked by grown men. It's still a "heinous crime."
She's not wrong if the girl is willingly tagging along with a band as a groupie. There are certainly a lot worse possible outcomes for this girl. The best two being the one mentioned by the OP and/or the fact that she ran away of her own free will.
As for the groupie thing, I get the feeling that while that may have happened in the 70s/80s (and maybe early 90s to some extent) I can't imagine the "Almost Famous scenario" going on today.
But she's 15, so it would be pretty fucking gross if that were the case.
There's a joke about Warped Tour that all you need to meet your favorite bands is be under 18.
It depends on the age of the people who she theoretically ran off with. If they were 18-19, that isn't really gross or weird, especially if she never mentioned her age. I never understood why 16 year olds are allowed to have sex but a 15 year old is supposedly incapable of handling it. That doesn't mean I condone anything if she ran off with a 25 year old, but 18-19 I could certainly understand.
Edit: For those downvoting, the age of consent where she went missing is 16.
> I never understood why 16 year olds are allowed to have sex but a 15 year old is supposedly incapable of handling it.
The best way to understand it is to turn it into a recursive function:
> I never understood why (X+1) year olds are allowed to have sex but a (X) year old is supposedly incapable of handling it.
This explains it so well. Essentially the law has to draw a line somewhere, and wherever it is, it's going to have people making this point. I think to go back to the main commenters point, it really just comes down to discretion and handling every situation on a case by case basis.
Here in Germany the age of consent is 14. In Spain it's 13. There clearly is no fixed value where you're suddenly "mature" enough to decide you want to have sex.
Some important caveats you forgot:
>The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14–15 year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense in and of itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 14, although provisions protecting minors against abuse apply until the age of 18 (under Section 182(1), it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with a person under 18 "by taking advantage of an exploitative situation"
>The age of consent in Spain is 13, as specified by the Spanish Penal Code, Article 183(1).[106] However, if deceit is used in gaining the consent of a minor under 16 years an individual can be charged under Article 182(1)[106] upon parental complaint
So basically they are cool with exploitation, as long as it happens after the age of 18?
I'm pretty sure they have laws regarding exploitation regarding adults.
Another example of German ruthless efficiency.
All of that seems perfectly reasonable to me because it allows the 13/14 year old and their parents to decide if the relationship is OK or not. Versus here in the US where the actual participant has very little say.
The legal age of consent and the general consensus age of consent are not always the same.
You could argue that since the majority of people in Germany and Spain aren't actively protesting to get the age changed that in those countries general consensus age does equal legal age.
I'd say most people don't really care, there are many who think 14 is too young (those are mostly the result of heavy child pornography and child absue propaganda in the last years), there are still many who think it's a good thing.
This low age of consent is mainly the result of a time where Germany was much more sexually liberal and sexual development of children and teenagers was not stigmatized but acknowledged. (Jesus I sounded awfully lot like a pedophile excuser here.)
Realistically there are almost no problems though, a lot of teenagers have sex whenever they want to and who they want to have sex with and there is no stopping them, the best thing we can do is to educate them about safe sex (which we could do a lot better though). There are very few cases where teenagers have relationships with guys/girls significantly older than them and people consider it weird, but personally I've never heard about such a case IRL.
> those are mostly the result of heavy child pornography and child absue propaganda in the last years
Pedophile-like typing detected
Thank you for your professional opinion.
> a lot of teenagers have sex whenever they want to and who they want to have sex with and there is no stopping them
That happens regardless of whatever laws are in place.
As I understand it, there is generally limits as to the age of the partner when they're that age or in a position of authority.
Also, some countries, like the UK, make it illegal to break that country's sexual offences laws, no matter where it is, regardless of whether it was legal in that country. I couldn't have sex with someone under 16 in Spain, for example.
That's exactly why I was saying. I don't see why there's a line drawn in the sand for when it's "gross" for her to be having sex, especially if the men were within a few years of her own age (in my hypothetical example, it was a 3-4 year age gap).
Furthermore from my perspective this way of thinking seems to be very prominent in the US and people seem to accept the status quo as the optimal scenario. When it comes to this topic people try to find all kinds of reasons why their respective age of consent is the "best" and usually resort to emotionally influenced and factually unstustainable statements like "it's good because otherwise it's gross". What annoys me the most about this discussion is that especially on Reddit when dealing with people from the US they seem to be very quick on labelling you as a pedophile or something of the sorts, because everything has to be white and black and can't possible be grey area.
Fun thing is you're not even a pedophile if you enjoy 15 year old girls.
I don't think you can simplify anything into mathematics when we are talking about age and maturity levels. Each individual is different and that's even recognized in some areas through the use of Romeo and Juliet laws. Of course, all of this is hypothetical.
Yes, but you can't measure maturity real well, so it easier to come to a general consensus and go with it, like states in the us where insurance drops some when you turn 25.
There's a big difference between illegal and gross. The actions of the men would certainly be illegal in my scenario without Romeo/Juliet laws, but I don't think it would be gross for two teenagers to have sex. Now, if the men were outside a 4 year age gap, then it becomes weird and almost definitely illegal by any standard.
my original reply was that the number is arbitrary because one can get the number really low saying that phase recursively.
Oh that makes more sense now. I agree with you now you explained it. Apologies for arguing :)
Here in Canada we have a close-in-age kinda thing with people under the age of 16. I think 14 and 15 year olds can legally have sex with older people as long as the senior is up to or under 5 years older. 12 and 13 year olds are similar, but it's 2 years for them.
But I haven't checked since they taught us that in health class back in high school, so I could be remembering incorrectly.
Warped Tour is like mainly 13-16 year old kids so it wouldn't surprise me
if her age is above ((your_age + 17) / 2), it is socially acceptable to bang her.
So you think it's OK for babies to bang 8 year olds? Pervert.
See my (downvoted) comment below. People, especially social justice types are unwilling to believe/admit that a 15 year old has the ability to choose who she has sex with. To them there's no way she could have willingly gone off with the band and/or tricked/convinced the band that she was over the age of consent.
Also, the situation I describe is a paradox I've never been able to understand either. 15/16 year old has sex with another 15/16/17 year old and it's perfectly fine but let the person be 18 or older and suddenly the 15/16 year old isn't capable of making that particular decision.
To be clear, I'm not saying that a 15/16 year old should be having sex with a 25+ year old either. I just think it's odd that we give them personal agency over what they do with their own bodies under very specific conditions.
Where are you getting this opinion about social justice types from in that thread? Is anyone who is unsatisfied with hoping that a 15 year old girl is on a bus with probably drugs and naivete, that much of a foreign concept to you?
>Where are you getting this opinion about social justice types from in that thread?
The top thread in SRS at the moment is about that comment (see link) and many of the users attacking the woman seem to have invaded directly from SRS.
Well there are serious developmental differences between a younger person and an older person, as well as some kind of power differential (typically). A line has to be drawn somewhere, IMO.
> Well there are serious developmental differences between a younger person and an older person
The developmental differences between a 15/16 year old and a 18/19 year old aren't that great. In many cases they are still running in the same social circles and in the case of a 15/18 year old they could both be high school students. Possibly a high school junior dating a high school senior.
>as well as some kind of power differential (typically)
That's a cop out. If you're talking about a 30 year old teacher having sex with a 15 year old maybe but even then the real power differential lies in the 15 year old's favor. Teenagers are a lot smarter than you give them credit for and I guarantee you that the majority of 15/16 year olds who would have sex with someone much older than they are know that one word from them can ruin the other person's life.
>If you're talking about a 30 year old teacher having sex with a 15 year old maybe but even then the real power differential lies in the 15 year old's favor.
Not a chance. There are places that look down on bosses for having sex with employees the same age because of power differential. A 30 year old teacher is 99% of the time preying on the 15 year old.
I'm not one to argue there's no grey area involving age of consent. But when it's double the age and someone who has authority over you. Yeah the grey area goes way out the window. Waaaaaay out the window.
Edit: your "they know one word can ruin their life" is a pretty weak power.
So they have sex with the 15 year old, they risk being found out with plenty of evidence to ruin them.
They say no, how are they in a worse place than actually being guilty.
> A 30 year old teacher is 99% of the time preying on the 15 year old.
Except that the majority of those 15 year olds know that they can mention the affair to another adult and that teacher is screwed. That's not the same with two people of the same age.
But seriously, I can't fathom why a teacher would risk having sex with a student unless they were mentally ill. It's just too risky. One encounter and your whole life is ruined.
>Except that the majority of those 15 year olds know that they can mention the affair to another adult and that teacher is screwed.
I don't know how that gives them real power over the situation though. Maybe once it's begun, but that's already the result of teacher using undue power.
>But seriously, I can't fathom why a teacher would risk having sex with a student unless they were mentally ill. It's just too risky. One encounter and your whole life is ruined.
Because of the general rule of humanity. "A lot of people are terrible people". Yeah I'm a pessimist.
> I don't know how that gives them real power over the situation though. Maybe once it's begun, but that's already the result of teacher using undue power.
Nah. The same thing applies if the teacher even hints at sex. Think about it - if a 15 year old tells their parents or the principle that Mr./Mrs. PyreDruid said something inappropriate and there's going to be a shitstorm. You might not get arrested/fired but your life is going to suck for awhile.
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Why? I'm not saying that it's right because a 15 year old shouldn't be running away from home to follow a band but I wouldn't call it gross. Especially if she left of her own free will. As for her age, if she was tagging along as a groupie she could have easily lied about her age and/or had a fake ID.
Why? It's the norm in all of history and in most of the current world.
Being so West-centric and unaware of reality is not a good trait.
15 is old enough to make these decisions, and is in fact legal in the West - either with or without parental consent.
Maturity isn't some kind of natural constant that just occurs at a certain age. The local culture determines how people people are raised, so if you live in a place where the age of consent is 15, then kids are probably being raised in way that they will be emotionally ready to handle a sexual relationship when they are 15. If they live in a place where it's higher, then kids are probably being raised differently to reflect that.
Yes, and the world over 15 is pretty much an accepted age of maturity for sexual behavior. Even in the US they can get married.
Old enough to make a lifelong decision about a single partner, but not old enough to make a 20 minute decision about one?
Bizarre.
I think you missed my point. 15-year olds (at least in this part of the world) are so fucking dumb. Seriously, when was the last time you had a conversation with someone who is 15? They're just doing and saying dumb shit all the time. The only ones they should be having sex with is other people who are just as fucking dumb, which is usually people who are 15-18 years old. Beyond that is when people start to get noticeably less dumb (but are still dumb, of course), and that's why it's gross.
Also you usually need parental consent to get married that young, at least in the US. That way, there's a not-as-dumb person keeping the really fucking dumb person from doing something that's really fucking dumb.
They are absolutely no dumber than a 24 year old. When's the last time you spoke to one of them?
Adolescents are adolescents, IMO. If one can vote and serve in the fucking Army, how is it that the other is incapable of knowing if they want to bone a rock star?
People tend to wear blinders when it comes to this type of thing. It's not even that they are being "west-centric" but they are being US-centric and even then the age varies from state to state with the average being 16.
Why the fuck is the "good" outcome here that a 15 year old girl is getting railed as a groupie? How about the good outcome is that she is perfectly fine? Why the fuck does the good outcome specifically have to involve her potential sex life?
> Why the fuck is the "good" outcome here that a 15 year old girl is getting railed as a groupie
Ever stop to think that maybe that's exactly what she wanted to happen?
It's the "good" outcome because it means that she's fairly safe, unharmed, and she did whatever of her own free will. Another "good" outcome could be that she ran away of her own free will and is currently hitchhiking across Canada and having a grand adventure.
Pretty much every other outcome aside from those two are "bad" because the involve her being kidnapped and/or killed. So yeah, given the choice I'd rather my 15 year old daughter was willingly getting railed by a bunch of band members than be kidnapped or dead in a ditch somewhere.
> Ever stop to think that maybe that's exactly what she wanted to happen?
Well I'm glad you're here to defend that scenario.
How about we just hope she's alright? How about we don't need to speculate on the sex life of a 15 year old to hope she isn't dead? This is ridiculous how fixed you are on that being the only logical and very specific reason she's safe.
A lost 15 year old doesn't have to be fucking everyone to be safe and it's just fucked up that you need to keep emphasizing that.
the thing is, that is not realistic enough. The groupie thing is much more plausible than hoping she is alright because.... there is no way she will be alright all by herself.
That doesn't mean it isn't straight up creepy to spend that much time thinking about how much she might be getting fucked and time keep emphasizing it.
>that much time
I feel kond of lost here. Exactly who spent time thinking about it at all? All I saw was a passing comment about it.
It never needed to be mentioned in the first place. And he keeps defending it.
Okay, so it didnt 'need' to be mentioned.
How does that lead to 'if he mentioned it, he is a creepo that keeps imagining the girl being fucked over and over'?
> The groupie thing is much more plausible than hoping she is alright because.... there is no way she will be alright all by herself.
The reality of the situation is that there's much less of a chance of her being okay by herself at this point or even ok being a "groupie" especially since she hasn't contacted anyone. Most likely she's dead in someone's basement at this point.
He provides two possible scenarios but its all supposition. A woman who had a similiar life experience shared it in a thread and this thread is devoted to discussing it. I can't understand your rage in this case. Sure, there are other possible scenarios but kids having sex shouldn't be a taboo.
> This is ridiculous how fixed you are on that being the only logical and very specific reason she's safe.
That's because there aren't very many other happy scenarios. She's either run off with a band or run off with a boyfriend her parents didn't know about (or a guy she met at the show). Both of those scenarios involve copious amounts of sex.
The only "happy" scenario that doesn't possibly involve sex is that she decided to run away from home and is now hitchhiking across Canada but then again, that could also involve sex.
Fact is, she's probably dead so this discussion is most likely a moot point.
Or she ran off with a girl.
Or a llama.
Or just by herself.
I find it truly amusing that it's all "a fifteen year old will never be okay without supervision" reasoning here. My 11 year old could keep himself fairly well kept for days on end without parental supervision.
> I find it truly amusing that it's all "a fifteen year old will never be okay without supervision" reasoning here.
That's because most wouldn't be. There's the whole issue of eventually needing money, etc...
>My 11 year old could keep himself fairly well kept for days on end without parental supervision.
That's not something you should be saying, lest people start thinking you're the kind of parent that would leave their 11 year old unsupervised for days on end.
Sure, but does the article say she doesn't have access to money? My child has his own checking and savings accounts already. It made no mention of whether that's occurred. So, how do you know?
> That's not something you should be saying, lest people start thinking you're the kind of parent that would leave their 11 year old unsupervised for days on end.
If people (read: you, hamfisted threat-maker on the internet) are thinking that from my comment, then they (read: you) are illiterate. I've raised my son to be able to cook, manage money, do chores, camp, do other boy scouty things, and so on. I wouldn't be doing my job as a parent if, by the age of being able to get a driving permit, he was still so infantile that I couldn't allow him out of my sight for a concert. If, as you claim, children that age are old enough to consent to sex with adults, then I should hope to god that they're mature enough to be alone in a public place for a few hours.
I'm legitimately concerned for this girl. A group of men tried to abduct me right in front of my father during the Twins of Evil Tour back in 2012.
People are fucked up.
No, but like, what if you enjoyed it and they gave you a lot of free drugs? For the win, am I right? Not like they would have pressured you or anything. You're not a square, right!
The whole thread is filled with drama. I was going to make another post for something else in the thread, but screw it. Just read the whole thing.
The drama has begun to spill into this thread. Slowly and steadily.
/u/PrimeCastor appears to be manning the popcorn stand today.
Honestly I don't understand the downvotes I'm getting unless it's just the old "anyone under 18 can't consent" circlejerk.
I've really only said two things. The first being that the 15 year old girl was certainly capable of making the decision to go have sex and act like a groupie. I never said that she should be doing that, just that she was capable of making a decision about who she has sex with.
The second thing I've said is that I don't think that a 15 year old should be at a concert without parental supervision and that I consider letting her go alone/without adult to be parental negligence.
I don't consider either of those two statements all that controversial.
I haven't tried to engage too hard with what you're saying, I just think it's funny that you seem to be the whipping boy in this thread.
I give agency to a teenager and I get downvoted. I call for better parenting/stricter rules and I get downvoted. It's a fucked up situation.
I think it's funny that the same people who are arguing that a 15 year old should be able to go to whatever concert they want alone are the same people who are arguing that a 15 year old doesn't have the ability to decide who they want to have sex with.
You have to realize
it is summer reddit so a lot of younger teenagers are out there.
Even those in their late teens early/mid 20's probably still have strict parents or memories of some sort of tough parent in their life or a friends life fresh in their memory.
>I don't think that a 15 year old should be at a concert without parental supervision and that I consider letting her go alone/without adult to be parental negligence.
Doesn't matter. This isn't about personal opinions and arguing over what you think vs what someone else thinks regarding parenting, on reddit of all places, is a complete waste of time. It does do anything but create problems.
I figure that's it as well. A few years removal from the "strict" parenting and they will see that it wasn't so much strict as it was good parenting.
The drama can't be contained to just one thread.
I shudder to think of what the /r/childfree emigrés might come up with...
Maybe she should have been left in a car for a few hours?? Too soon?
My guess is that it would be something along the lines of what I've been saying, which is that this girl probably wouldn't be missing had there been proper parental supervision.
Besides, isn't /r/childfree mostly concerned with younger kids, not teenagers?
Micro version of the same shit happening in the /r/ontario post about this: http://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/2a79om/pleasehelp15yearoldmissingafterwarpedtour/
Damn, nobody wins in this one.
Except the girl possibly having tons of sex and all the free drugs she wants.
I wouldn't necessarily call a 15 year old girl having unrestricted access to drugs and technically illegal sex a win.
If she enjoys herself how is it not a win? Yeah it's not a win for whoever she's having sex with (if the cops find out at least), but for her it's all peachy
If we ignore the chances of STDs, rape, getting killed by a drugged up roadie who freaks out when he discovers he has committed several acts of statutory rape, drug overdose, drug addiction and any other of the numerous possible things that could go wrong, ya sure it's all peachy.
Ever heard of HIV? What if the free drugs everyone's giving her make her OD on something?
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Drama or not, that's a great username.
She probably couldn't stand an entire day outside in the hot sun surrounded by edgy, angst ridden teenagers publicly crying for any kind of attention, bad or good, from their ridiculously dressed peers, listening to washed up emo/punk bands that should have stayed in the early oughts and Pac Sun background music compilations where they belonged instead of still attempting to whine their way into musical credibility and "success". Yellowcard has a violinist in it. That wasn't neat in 2004 and it still isn't neat in 2014. The Warped Tour has been shuffling along for 20 years now, people, and it's time we put away the terrible power chords of corporate "hardcore" punk music, with its "ninja pits", screamed choruses, trucker hat, super skinny jeans, and Hot Topic tagged black As I Lay Dying tee-shirt uniforms and just collectively move the fuck on. It's sponsored by Vans, for God's sake. Skating hasn't been cool since Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 for the Playstation 2. That was, like, 7 years ago, folks.
But yeah I hope they find her. There's no "good" outcome when anyone, much less a child is missing for four days. Hopefully the reality is whatever is the best outcome out of all possible.
Nice try on the copy pasta, but warped hasn't been solely punk for years.
Ha I looked at the line up and recognized some of the bands from my high school emo days, but a vast, vast majority I've never actually heard of.
Is this what getting old feels like? I'm hip! I'm with it!
I looked at the lineup this year and was shocked. There isn't a single real punk band. I guess maybe punk is dead. I've accepted I'm not hip nor with it anymore.
Nah, punk's not dead, you can still see somewhat decent shows in bars and basements. It's gone back underground, that's all. (I hope).
Paging madi_lana....
Edit- ppl stop downboating Andr3wsky, look at that flair..
Lol my flair doesn't mean ppl should automatically upvote me when I say something dumb. People like warped tour I guess! Which is weird to me but whatever.
Honestly this thread is a little off the rails with all the pedophilia defenses to begin with. At any time after high school if someone I knew said they thought it was okay to have sex with 15 year olds, they would be immediately ostracized from any further social functions. I can only assume the people defending this behavior are 15 themselves, and are misguidedly fighting for some semblance of maturity and adulthood, rather than being 20 somethings who actually believe 15 year olds can make the kind of adult choices they can.
Anyway, tldr : warped tour sucks and y'all need Jesus.
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It's getting heated, with some offbeat comedy.
What did the deleted comment say?
Saw the comment last night, and immediately figured it wouldbe on SRD. I was just letting the kernels pop for this moment to put butter on it.
But honestly, when reading it, I just thought how moronic the comment was. To me it just sounded like, "Let's just hope she's partying, doing drugs, and probably having sex... but consensual!"
Why do so many people think that OP is lying about her little tale? Is it that hard to believe that former groupies hang out on r/music? Especially the way she seemed to wax poetical about the experience and only halfway acknowledge is was bad and irresponsible strikes true to me.
OP should be around 45 now, and honestly at 45 you generally wouldn't be taking this sort of opportunity to wax poetic about the drugs and fucking you did at 15. In an AskReddit post, sure. In a post about a missing girl, hell no.
Is it really that hard to imagine a 45 year old for who the best experience of her life was being a groupie at 15, doing a lot of drugs and band members?
If that's the best time in her life, then she seriously hasn't done much with it. (I'm almost 40, so I can judge.)
Also, it's about the correct time and place. I would hope most 45 year olds would be able to figure out that this type of thread isn't the place to be doing any waxing of the poetic.
I agree with you. I just find this story entirely plausible. Also, someone who had their best life experience on a band bus would probably lack a bit of tact and appropriate timing.
Now, there's a good point I hadn't thought of!
> nd honestly at 45 you generally wouldn't be taking this sort of opportunity to wax poetic about the drugs and fucking you did at 15.
You're assuming that a 45 year old who spent most of her formative years doing a bunch of drugs is going to be logical...
Because lying on the internet is far more commonplace than truth-telling? Obviously, I can't account for the veracity of this story...I mean, sure, it could have happened, but it doesn't surprise me that some people are skeptical. I, generally, don't believe anything I read on reddit. That being said, it's not a particularly far-fetched story and if it didn't happen to her then I'm sure it's happened to someone else.
> Why do so many people think that OP is lying about her little tale?
Jealousy?
Or just so many people who would have never done that themselves so they can't believe someone else would do it?
Is Blood on the Dance Floor at Warped Tour this year? If yes, I'd be scared if the presented scenario was the right one.