Drama in a TIL in post about a "transsexual man who committed suicide after being kicked out of Swedish feminist group". (np.reddit.com)
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99 comments submitted at 19:50:14 on Jul 4, 2014 by La_Diabla
Drama in a TIL in post about a "transsexual man who committed suicide after being kicked out of Swedish feminist group". (np.reddit.com)
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99 comments submitted at 19:50:14 on Jul 4, 2014 by La_Diabla
Being dismissive of bigots doesn't make me wrong, either. Now, being an actual bigot, such as yourself? That makes you very, very wrong. It also makes you seem cruel and insensitive and utterly obsessed with genitals that are not yours and which do not concern you in the least. That behaviour is not only creepy and weird, it's generally considered unconscionable by decent people.
You are a bigot. Own it. Stop trying to pretend you're something you're not and stop trying to convince people you have the right to have any say in what happens in other people's pants when it has absolutely NOTHING to do with you or your life.
Personal attacks will get you nowhere.
Wow. You can't address what I have to say, can you? You know your position is indefensible and you're seeming to be fully aware that everyone else sees right through the semantics games played by members of your "movement".
Care to tell the class why you're obsessed with other people genitals when those genitals are not your business? I think we'd all enjoy the opportunity to see what makes a TERF tick.
"TERF" is supposed to be an acronym: trans-exclusionary radical feminist. According to the original usage, it’s meant to apply to a radical feminist who chooses to exclude male-to-female trans persons from their feminist activism. That is not how “TERF” is used at all today. It’s clearly a dehumanizing, pejorative term used against anybody who disagrees with transgender ideology. This is always framed as “transphobia.”
TERF is applied to anyone, not just radical feminists
"TERF" has come to mean anyone who opposes transgender ideology but those who use the word still explain it to mean a type of radical feminism. "TERF" has now started to be used as general slang to describe someone with transphobic views.
Most of the people tarred as “TERFs” not only aren’t radical feminists, but most probably have no idea what radical feminism is. For that matter, most of those employing the slur don’t understand radical feminism; they are merely repeating what they were taught.
"TERF" has been used to describe someone who has perpetrated violence or harm against a trans person. Radical feminism has nothing to do with that, yet it is used unjustly in a negative context.
TERF is an oppressive word
Every day TERF is used in the following oppressive contexts:
Users of “TERF” often justify their use by telling the target “stop being a shitty person.” This is circular reasoning: a person is “shitty” because they are a “TERF,” and they are a “TERF” because they are a “shitty” person.
TERF is a straw man argument
Radical feminists are gender abolitionists. They are not “transgender-exclusionary”, they are “gender exclusionary,” so even the premise “TERF” stands on is faulty. At minimum, a correct abbreviation would be GERF, for gender-exclusionary radical feminism.
Radical feminism is a woman-centric ideology. They are completely justified in excluding males from their activism and from their spaces.
Women are oppressed by patriarchy. Radical feminism is one path towards liberating women and ending oppression. Radical feminists have every right to exclude members of the class of people (males) who are privileged by the system feminists seek to overturn.
Trans women are part of the class “male.” We are low status members and we share some of the oppressions experienced by females, but it is useless to deny that we have benefitted from the system of patriarchy.
Understanding how trans women experience male privilege is not transphobic. In fact, every trans woman owes it to herself to give this matter some serious thought. We are “excluded” from radical feminism not because of our biology, but because we don’t have an equal stake in women’s liberation. We cannot be equal partners, and so we should not be invading that political space to prioritize trans issues.
Radical feminists do not hate trans women
There is a lot of conflict between radical feminists and transgender ideologues. Arguments break out and harsh words are sometimes exchanged (but nearly all the violence is unidirectional).
That said, radical feminists do not hate trans women. Most radical feminists acknowledge the suffering dysphoria causes. All radical feminists want to end the oppressive gender system that normalizes violence against gender non-conforming people.
In a world where this conflict wasn’t being exploited for personal gain (cough Transadvocate cough), there would be much more mutual support between the two communities.
Words like “TERF” prevent the groups from talking. “TERF” most definitely is a slur. Anyone is justified in not engaging with someone who uses oppressive slurs against them. The lie that radical feminists hate trans women is reinforced each time someone uses that word.
If you see something you disagree with, think about why you disagree instead of leaping to use a label. If you find yourself reaching for a slur, wake up! That is lazy thinking. Use your brain instead.
TERF is a slur. Anyone who says differently is selling something.
Be quiet, TERF.
NO
Well, then, I guess you can just keep demonstrating your bigotry for all to see.
Geez, try to do a TERF a favour and this is the treatment you get!
You're not clever in the least...
At least I'm not a bigot obsessed with other people's genitalia!
At least I'm a real woman. That drives you nuts, doesn't it?
Stop your abuse with your incessant arguing meant to trigger us, you are repugnant. You will not stop women from telling those who threaten us to fuck off and go back to the men's room.
Why don't you stop attacking La_Diabla and start understanding why she is skeptical of the trans agenda? You are sick, it's like you want to round us up and throw us in camps of the "bigots". The bigots who simply want women to remain safe in their private spaces from penises.
Also: I love my Trans Agenda. Genuine leather, one-day-per-page, gold edging and comes with a really nice pen! It's just like the "Gay Agenda"!
LOL. You know this person can't explain themselves without sounding like a total bigot and so you're coming to their defense with this?
Do better. This is very low effort, even for TERFs.