Relatively rich Yugioh player chastised for looking to spend money on cards. Challenges redditor to a donation competition and wins. (np.reddit.com)
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118 comments submitted at 17:52:05 on Jul 1, 2014 by Calamity58
I don't think they had any business going on the moral high horse, considering that they know next to nothing about your situation. You earned the money, you get to decide what to spend it on.
not trying to be mean to soon_coming but that's a stupid fucking argument you just made there
OK. I'll acknowledge that you said something, but I'm not sure what you're trying to demonstrate.
Can you explain why?
Guys, juicy popcorn below, you must read.
This is like getting a second soda out of the vending machine!
i'm fuckin killin it
Now you've done it. I think carbarismo read your username before replying.
it's the same argument rich people use to justify controlling the democratic process, and the same argument companies use to justify hiring slave labor in the third world. just having the ability to do something doesn't justify doing it.
now, i don't think soon_coming is destroying democracy or enslaving people, he just wants to spend a mildly embarrassing amount of money on a card game, and so i don't really care about that. but the argument itself of 'hey it's his he can do whatever he wants' is a dumb one that leads to power abuses.
OK, this argument is about an individual deciding what to spend excess money on in terms of their hobby, not about democratic processes or labor in 3rd world countries. Do you see how they're not related?
they both use the same argument of 'he can do it so why shouldn't he?' which is a dumb one
It's also extrapolating to a far larger-reaching scenario than the one presented here.
so you're upset that i am extrapolating the logical end points of that argument?
I'm not upset, just saying that you're taking the logic to an endpoint that has nothing to do with the current situation.
You're throwing out a red herring to disrupt from the point being discussed: a single person's money and what they choose to do with it.
pointing out that the same argument is used to justify a bunch of abuse isn't a red herring.
the real argument here is that he's not harming anyone so it doesn't matter, not that he can do whatever he wants with his money
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Probably because extrapolating to the logical end points is often times meaningless? Especially when you're taking half of a very reasonable statement and then spinning it out of proportion.
I think a guy blowing a bunch of money on a game/hobby is entirely different than individuals running the democratic process into the ground for further profit.
cool, explain how
hint: so do i
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Are you suggesting that he shouldn't be able to decide what to spend his money on? I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around the concept that since it's his money telling him that he can do anything with it becomes an abuse of power.
Why can't he spend the money the way he sees fit? It is his, isn't it?
this conversation won't get very far since no, i don't believe you have a right to totally own anything or do anything you want just because you have the power to do so
That's okay. That's a personal stance that you take that explains your thinking and why you said what you said. I, myself, believe in personal property and ownership. I appreciate you explaining it to me. I hope you enjoy the rest of your day!
Nowhere did I suggest that they should be able to "abuse their power". I understand that taking the statement, "You earned the money, you get to decide what to spend it on" at face value might lead you to believe that, but that's extending it to an argument I'm not making.
man can't you stick to the conversation thread where i'm actually talking to you? jeez
Are...are you okay?
yeah, i'm good
You're an idiot. He went and earned that money, that's his time and his effort being rewarded. If you don't approve, not that your opinion matters, feel free to give your money away. Should you be allowed to decide what you spend your money on? If so, you're a hypocrite.
yeah, i don't think i'm going to bother responding to something so petulantly reductive with anything other then insults you clown of a person
But it's ok for you to insult?
yeah
fuck you, bear
I disagree. I really do believe that people who work and earn money should be allowed to spend it on what they want. I'm a Conservative and have been for a long time. A lot of the time people argue that people who are born into money will obviously feel this way but that's not true. My parents were actually quite poor. One was a taxi driver and the other worked in the fast food industry making minimum wage. Even them though I believed that people who made more money than is deserved it. My parents weren't smart, I'm not saying they were stupid but they definitely weren't qualified to do more extensive work. I worked hard in university and went into finance and now I make a pretty good yearly salary. I've helped my parents pay off their loans and they currently live with me so I'm happy about that. The money I make now though is mine. I pay taxes just like everyone else so I think I've earned the freedom to spend my money on what I like. It's silly to hold people who make larger salaries to higher expectations. They worked hard for it. It's theirs.
that's a very sweet and charming life story, good for you.
on to your points: no, i can hold people who wield more power and control in the world to higher standards of behavior, since their decisions effect other peoples' lives more.
Okay sure but I don't hold power over other people. I mean I guess if I messed up at work 3 or 4 people might lose their jobs but other than that can't really think of anything. He* just wanted to buy shiny pieces of cardboard god damn it
everyone, no matter how poor, makes decisions that impact other peoples lives. rich people often use money as a way of securing their lives and those of the people they care about at the expense of others in ways more complex then directly managing them at work.
he can buy that cardboard. i think it's a dumb purchasing decision but my main point is that the 'it's his money argument' is dumb to me
5th wheel here curious because I've never met someone with your view point: how do you feel about the idea that we must spend money in order to create jobs? The government has tried it a few times in the last decade, obviously.
A lot of jobs are pretty frivolous if people don't spend money on hobbies and luxuries (including bars, restaurants, hotels, etc... In this one).
that's one of the ways people use power to effect other peoples' lives indirectly that i mentioned.
i'm opposed to the idea, but with the caveat that i'm opposed to a free market society as a whole. ideally people have their basic needs filled unconditionally, which removes much of the harm that can be done to people economically. at that point i don't give a shit about what you do with excess wealth you accumulate
what were you even doing on /r/yugioh if you think it's embarrassing?
i'm on subredditdrama, silly
> what were you
read my question
look at the link at the top of this thread?
do you play yugioh is what im asking
no
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Oh, you just want an argument. Or to demonstrate how smart you think you are.
Either way, gross.
i am pretty smart, but in this particular case i'm just correct
And modest!
i'm glad someone finally noticed
You can disagree with people without being a twat about it. You know that, right?
how insecure are you that someone making a joke about themselves inspires you to insult them?
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thanks for watching