"This is how speech dies:" controversy over the removal of boob flair in /r/Hearthstone (np.reddit.com)
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171 comments submitted at 06:56:49 on Jun 30, 2014 by pdxdrama
"This is how speech dies:" controversy over the removal of boob flair in /r/Hearthstone (np.reddit.com)
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171 comments submitted at 06:56:49 on Jun 30, 2014 by pdxdrama
As I post this, an unsettling amount of the comments on this SRD thread are from people commenting "it's just boobs, SJW, feminazis." That's nuts.
Some people didn't like private parts of the female anatomy as flair on comments for an all-age's game. Isn't that enough?
If people don't like it why don't they just not look at it? I don't like people clicking their tongues but I don't go out my way to say "that bothers me stop it" every time someone does it.
A big part of life is dealing with shit you may not like.
You don't think that a reasonable person could find it, if not offensive, unpleasant?
On top of that, a video game community should be encouraging women (and men who don't want to randomly see boobs) to be a part of it.
On top of that, if you want to see breasts there are better places than as flair on a reddit community for Hearthstone.
On top of that, it's supposed to be a game for all-ages. Should we have boob flair on the Pokemon subreddit?
Why do people have so little imagination to think that because it personally doesn't offend you, it might not be off-putting or unwelcoming for someone else? "I'm not offended, so no one else should be" isn't really good enough.
EDIT: On top of that, couldn't a reasonable person think that "boobs flair" objectifies women? Just because there's a supposed male equivalent doesn't negate any of those points.
I do believe that it's totally reasonable to not like it, people get bothered by different things so I won't say someone is wrong for not liking it.
But just because something bothers you doesn't mean the subreddit should change to fit your viewpoint. Also it's likely there as a joke not because people actually want to look at the breasts.
> Also it's likely there as a joke not because people actually want to look at the breasts.
So it has little real meaning, but it has actually offended someone (whoever complained) and on balance, the not-really-funny inside joke is more important?
B..b..but, kikuchiyoali, it's in the game!
Yeah, but I don't go onto /r/nintendo and expect to see cropped pictures Princess Peach T&A either, even if you could get that from cropping or editing ingame footage.
> But just because something bothers you doesn't mean the subreddit should change to fit your viewpoint
Yeah, it's just like the complainer went on to /r/gonewild and demanded the boobs be removed. /s It's entirely reasonable to go into a sub for an all-ages game and not see T&A. That was what my original comment was asking; how is this even a question for anyone who isn't named /u/RapeAFeminist (who graced us with his opinion below)?
It's not T&A though, they were fully covered. Look, I agree the boob thing sounds childish and pathetic, but I also think it's just as childish and pathetic complaining about it.
It's the mentality I don't like, rather than think 'oh this subreddit offends me, i'll leave' (like I would) they think 'oh this subreddit offends me, I'll complain about stuff so they change it to suit me, fuck everyone else'
Edit: Also, what the hell is wrong with breasts anyway. They are part of a woman's anatomy. They aren't inherently offensive.
> It's not T&A though, they were fully covered. Look, I agree the boob thing sounds childish and pathetic, but I also think it's just as childish and pathetic complaining about it.
It sounds childish and pathetic because it is. The flair detracted more than it added, and was removed. That should have been end of story. I believe it's entirely reasonable for someone to complain about it.
> It's the mentality I don't like, rather than think 'oh this subreddit offends me, i'll leave' (like I would) they think 'oh this subreddit offends me, I'll complain about stuff so they change it to suit me, fuck everyone else'
Yeah, everyone else sure was fucked over. In any case, if this was something like Gone Wild, I might agree with you. Instead, it's all 14 year olds crying about free speech (which by itself is annoys the hell out of me because they're not constitutional lawyers). If you pick up Hustler and see naked ladies and get offended, that's on you - you assumed that risk. If you pick up The Washington Post and there are boobs, there ought to be a good reason for it.
I would almost agree with you here apart from the fact that the 'boobs' are already in the game, they weren't naked boobs, they were just cropped from an image already in the game and expanded I think. Childish as fuck I agree, but only a prude could be offended by it.
I wasn't going to reply to this thread anymore, but this edit by /u/thisistheone caught my attention:
> Edit: Also, what the hell is wrong with breasts anyway. They are part of a woman's anatomy. They aren't inherently offensive.
Perhaps women don't like being treated like objects when every other part of their "anatomy" is cropped out. If you're never treated like an object, you don't really know what it is to be objectified (and I don't say I understand how it must feel for women when that is nearly omnipresent, but men like some of the commenters see it as invisible). Maybe, just maybe, women feel unwelcome on the Hearthstone subreddit because parts of their anatomy, which aren't inherently offensive, are being treated as something less than human?
I have no problem with breasts, generally. If every time I started up Mario Kart (or hell, visited the Mario Kart subreddit), there were breasts (especially disembodied breasts as objects covered or not), I would have a problem.
There's also men's nipples on that subreddit or so I've heard. I doubt anyone gives a shit about them.
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What's funny is a matter of taste, I don't find it funny either but I won't say it's wrong for someone to find it funny. And yeah people having a laugh is more important than someone who gets offended at flairs.
Also just because the game is all ages doesn't mean the subreddit has to be.
> And yeah people having a laugh is more important than someone who gets offended at flairs.
Let me translate that for you:
"If I find it funny, then it's totally OK if it offends someone. If I don't find it funny, you better not joke about it!"
> Also just because the game is all ages doesn't mean the subreddit has to be.
No, but then it can become some weird Rule 34 ghetto on its own and the general interest subreddit can become the "default" for the game. But even not considering that, the mods, who do decide what the subreddit becomes, or doesn't have made a choice that it isn't going to be a 14 year old boy's club.
I don't mind people making jokes over stuff I don't find funny. The world doesn't revolve around me so won't act like my sense of humor is the supreme one.
The mods have made a choice and I respect that. I just think that people getting overly offended by just a flair is kinda stupid.
If you don't like that the subreddit removed the flair, why not just ignore it? Your argument can be applied to your umbrage as well.