Someone is really mad at Ides and has a weird way of showing it... not sure if it's drama, but it sure is something. (np.reddit.com)

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36 ups - 21 downs = 15 votes

113 comments submitted at 07:17:11 on Dec 26, 2013 by GrandMaester_Samwell

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  • david-me
  • 1 Points
  • 08:41:11, 26 December

/u/TheIdesOfLight

TIOL is a racist son of a bitch. She claims to be a black lady while ignoring the fact that she's only 1/2 black. She is 1/2 white , yet claims 100% black privilege. Hypocrite much:?

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  • Vorpal_Hammer
  • 1 Points
  • 13:35:06, 26 December

Are you using satire here? I honestly can't tell.

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  • david-me
  • -1 Points
  • 14:38:22, 26 December

Yes and no. TIOL is racist/bigoted against white people. The second statement is true, but the rest is my best Tumblr impression.

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  • Vorpal_Hammer
  • -4 Points
  • 14:49:25, 26 December

OK. "Racist against white people." That phrase never fails to make me giggle.

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  • david-me
  • 4 Points
  • 14:55:18, 26 December

Maybe so, but it's true in her case.

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  • Vorpal_Hammer
  • -3 Points
  • 15:03:25, 26 December

How does that even work though? She and I post in a lot of the same subs, so I'm familiar with her style. What's the big deal about encountering extremely uninformed viewpoints typical of those held by white neckbeards, and then calling said poster a white neckbeard? I mean, that's just teasing someone. It's not even a real insult.

I'm trying to imagine a situation where the label "racist against white people" could even be taken seriously, and the best I can come up with would be an unironic call to kill or hurt white people for being white. And even then, barring some major societal shift in the western world, it's hard to take that sort of thing seriously.

She's no more racist against white people, if that were a thing, which it is not, than I am. And I'm 100% white. Pink as the driven snow...

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  • ColdPhaedrus
  • 3 Points
  • 17:53:22, 26 December

I think what really gets peoples' goat is "racism against white people isn't a thing."

I totally agree that racism hurts certain populations far more than others. I also agree that the same act has different consequences when the races of the parties involved are switched.

I'm white, and I used to live in Harlem. One day as I was walking home, completely minding my own business, some black guy looks me in the face and says something to the effect of "I hate fucking crackers."

So I laughed it off. That's part of privilege, I know. Privilege is a thing, even if retards on the internet have diluted it to the point of uselessness. I agree that if I were a black guy, he was white, I was in Alabama and we replace cracker with nigger, the superficially identical act becomes far different.

But it doesn't change the fact that the black guy I encountered was a fucking racist, and he was racist against white people specifically.

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  • Vorpal_Hammer
  • 2 Points
  • 17:58:19, 26 December

I agree with pretty much everything in this comment.

Especially the part about you laughing it off. That's what this all boils down to, in my mind. Does racism against white people exist? Maybe, but who cares? It doesn't matter! As you acknowledged, his hatred of you, whatever you prefer to call it, had no effect on your life.

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  • ColdPhaedrus
  • 3 Points
  • 18:09:33, 26 December

Except it does matter, just in a different way.

Sure, I laughed it off. What if the next guy doesn't? What if the next guy takes it to heart? What if it plants a little seed in his head like "Wow, black people are racist." Next time he sees a story in the news about something racist happening to a black person, he thinks "It's ok, black people do that kinda stuff too." And he votes.

Sure, it may not matter AS MUCH, but we're all connected, it all matters. Sure it may not be as serious and immediate as me not getting a job cause I'm black or something violent, but little things like this poison us as a culture and country.

And it did have an effect on my life. I remember it, don't I? There's a reason for that. I can put it in perspective, and it's pretty minor, but minor significance is still significance.

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  • Vorpal_Hammer
  • 1 Points
  • 18:23:26, 26 December

> minor significance is still significance.

Technically correct. But it's a bit like seeing your friend with his femur sticking out of his thigh, and wanting to talk about your papercut. There's a time and a place.

And honestly, the way you're bringing it up, with an understanding of history and the current situation we all find ourselves in, is pretty hard to argue with. I especially liked the part about how this can serve t inflame actual, harmful racism among white people. That's a valid point, and one worthy of discussion.

In fact, the idea of us being nicer to each other in general is something really worth talking about. Racism is a poison. My old religion described it as the most pressing issue facing the USA.

I do think that the onus is primarily on white people to get their shit together and stop actively oppressing everyone else before we can really turn that around on anyone else, though. When someone has been beating the crap out of you day after day for your entire life, they might have to accept a few harsh words from you before you're going to accept their hand in friendship. It doesn't make those harsh words good - but it does make them understandable.

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  • Mega_pooh_bear
  • 4 Points
  • 17:20:21, 26 December

She pisses off the white people on reddit who are sensitive about the fact their white.

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  • Vorpal_Hammer
  • 0 Points
  • 17:25:31, 26 December

:)

Clearly I was giving this way too much thought.

I'm pretty sure that describes any instance of "racism against white people", in fact.

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  • david-me
  • 1 Points
  • 15:15:52, 26 December

> It's not even a real insult.

LMFAO! what is a real insult then. You are disillusioned.

>kill or hurt white people for being white

Most racist white people don't "kill or hurt black people for being black".

>She's no more racist against white people* *than I am.

Let's agree to disagree then.

Please, I am referring to the normal, usual, worldwide accepted definition of racism. Not the SJW version where "racism = prejudice + power"

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  • Vorpal_Hammer
  • -5 Points
  • 15:26:56, 26 December

> what is a real insult then.

Your father didn't love you!

You are genetically inferior, and you will never be as good as me.

No one could ever find you attractive.

Things like that. Things that mean something. White is none of those things. Hell, it's a positive thing! Neckbeard skirts the line of the last one.

> Most racist white people don't "kill or hurt black people for being black".

True! The line is different. Real harm can be done with far less in that case.

> Let's agree to disagree then.

If we must. But I think you see what I'm getting at here.

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  • HypeMeImBelgian
  • 4 Points
  • 15:33:49, 26 December

Hey you two, stop being nice to eachother, I was this close to finally finding somthing to submit to SRDD. :(

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  • Vorpal_Hammer
  • 0 Points
  • 15:42:33, 26 December

Sorry. I blame the Christmas Spirit.

Lousy stinking bastard!

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  • FlapjackFreddie
  • 2 Points
  • 16:17:41, 26 December

> White is none of those things. Hell, it's a positive thing!

When you use someone's race as a way to insult them, it becomes a negative. This isn't complicated stuff. If I accused everyone I didn't like of being black, I'm sure you'd agree that it'd be a racist assumption.

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  • Vorpal_Hammer
  • -5 Points
  • 16:21:22, 26 December

> If I accused everyone I didn't like of being black, I'm sure you'd agree that it'd be a racist assumption.

I would indeed. But why do I feel this way? What's the difference here, Freddie?

Hint - read a book.

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  • FlapjackFreddie
  • 0 Points
  • 16:13:56, 26 December

> She's no more racist against white people, if that were a thing, which it is not, than I am. And I'm 100% white. 

How does your whiteness add any credibility to this statement? You're no more an expert on racism than anyone else.

Also, why can't your group just accept that individuals can be racist. Institutional racism is something only an oppressed group would experience.

> the best I can come up with would be an unironic call to kill or hurt white people for being white. And even then, barring some major societal shift in the western world, it's hard to take that sort of thing seriously.

Would something like the Knockout Game not count as racist? How about a tweet like "I'm going to knock out the next white person who walks by." Still not racist?

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  • Vorpal_Hammer
  • -1 Points
  • 16:19:51, 26 December

> "I'm going to knock out the next white person who walks by."

Yes, that would be racist. It falls under the category of what I was talking about earlier, doesn't it? I have no idea what the knockout game is, and I don't really give a shit, tbh. All I know is racist Redditors won't stop jerking over it.

The overall point I'm making, though, is that it doesn't fucking matter. So, some random nonwhite person wants to hurt a random white person. He's a criminal. Duh. We have laws that cover this sort of thing. He's not reinforcing existing social norms or anything like that. It's just one asshole. Send him to jail or whatever, I don't care.

Oh, and he will go to jail. Reverse the races involved though, and it becomes a very much open question. Have you studied the Civil Rights Movement at all?

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  • FlapjackFreddie
  • 4 Points
  • 16:24:21, 26 December

> even then, barring some major societal shift in the western world, it's hard to take that sort of thing seriously

Why qualify a call to violence with a need for major societal shift? Calling for violence against an individual because of their race is racist.

> Have you studied the Civil Movement at all?

I have. How would that be relevant here?

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  • Vorpal_Hammer
  • -6 Points
  • 16:26:40, 26 December

> I have. How would that be relevant here?

If you don't know the answer to that, your study was insufficient.

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  • david-me
  • 1 Points
  • 16:52:46, 26 December

> I have no idea what the knockout game is, and I don't really give a shit, tbh.

Do you even reddit?

>Have you studied the Civil Rights Movement at all?

Huh? What does that have to do with whether or not people can be racist against white people?

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  • Vorpal_Hammer
  • -4 Points
  • 16:55:53, 26 December

> Huh? What does that have to do with whether or not people can be racist against white people?

Oh shit! I'm DYING here. Seriously, I hoe I didn't wake up my family just then.

And I stay away from r/videos.