I felt something hard in my cats back. I pulled this out. (imgur.com)

WTF

1871 ups - 629 downs = 1242 votes

493 comments submitted at 04:57:37 on May 2, 2013 by Coach_Hiens

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  • ennadnam
  • 92 Points
  • 05:31:59, 2 May

Maybe you shouldn't let your cat outside unattended any more.

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  • Coach_Hiens
  • 38 Points
  • 05:32:40, 2 May

Ya... That's probably a good idea...

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  • RCAF_Nurse
  • 22 Points
  • 13:06:55, 2 May

It would also be a good idea to take your kitty to the vet and have it undergo a blood test. Those .177 caliber pellets are made of lead, and wouldn't want the kitty to get lead poisoning. Good luck!

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  • SonOfSatan
  • 1 Points
  • 18:43:59, 2 May

It would also be a good idea to hunt down the fucker responsible, knock him out and steal his rifle.

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  • Tankbean
  • -27 Points
  • 11:14:05, 2 May

Keep the cat inside. They are the most ecologically destructive little fuckers around. They kill a shitload of small mammals and birds for no other reason than instinct. People who let their cats run outside drive me fucking nuts. If you live in the country where there are a lot of feral cats, I can't blame the person that shot it. If you live in the city, your neighbors likely a dick. They should have approached you and told you to keep the thing inside if they knew it was your cat. If they didn't know it was yours, they should have called animal control.

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  • dynamojoe
  • 21 Points
  • 13:59:42, 2 May

I can't blame the person that shot it.

I can. If you're shooting something to kill it, KILL IT. This cat was shot with a pellet which means they were either using the wrong tool for the job or only wanted to injure the cat. The former is a mistake and the latter is just being an asshole.

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  • workpuppy
  • 1 Points
  • 14:53:49, 2 May

I'm not anti-outdoor cat (once upon a time there used to be a lot of outdoor predators), and I'd never shoot one (well, I've sprayed them with the hose), but I'd think it's substantially kinder to pop one with a BB to warn it off, rather than just killing it (not a pellet though. That's a bad idea for a lot of reasons).

Where I live, animal control is so broke they won't come out for anything other than an obviously rabid animal, or a big rampaging dog, which kind of reduces your options for dealing with them in a civilized manner.

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  • unseemlycad
  • 2 Points
  • 12:42:43, 2 May

"They are the most ecologically destructive little fuckers around."

Said... The human...

"...for no other reason than instinct."

Like everything else alive you mean? Or as opposed to all the really worth while stuff you do out of free will?

"...they should have called animal control."

For someones beloved pet having the temerity to trespass in your yard? Normally I would never recommend doing something as unhealthy as starting smoking, but in your case... I'm gonna go right ahead and say you should really give weed a shot.

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  • bitchesandsake
  • 13 Points
  • 13:21:08, 2 May

Cats are non native and an invasive species. They don't belong here roaming the forest killing songbirds, etc. They are a nuisance. Said the human? Really? So I suppose we should just say fuck it then just because humans are destructive? Lol "give weed a shot," how old are you? 15? I don't think the animal deserved to be shot, but if it was roaming my property doing damage, its a stray cat and it can get fucked as far as im concerned. What gives you the right to decide if your animal comes and shits on my property, terrorizes my chickens etc?

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  • unseemlycad
  • 1 Points
  • 13:22:43, 2 May

"Cats are non native and an invasive species." Like you then? Like I said. You need to relax.

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  • DeathByFarts
  • 0 Points
  • 14:05:52, 2 May

I think you need to put down the bong ..

Thats a different username you are replying to. You never told him to relax prior to this comment.

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  • unseemlycad
  • -4 Points
  • 14:16:36, 2 May

Okay, perhaps I should pay more attention to which person I'm addressing. Let me re phrase for everyone.

If anyone feels like they should have the right to impose their authority over the ecosystem or even a tiny part of it because someone "owns" that bit, they are too highly strung and more importantly, they are going to fail. No amount of pedantic point scoring will change the truth of that. Not for either of these dudes or anyone. For the fiftieth time... It's an animal. It might poop. It will probably try and eat something. Just like the hundreds of other animals that pass through your yard every day. If you don't wanna smoke, maybe try yoga or something. Whatever. If nature makes you angry, relaxing should be a priority for you.

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  • lazylandtied
  • 1 Points
  • 15:07:09, 2 May

I personally don't think that all cats should be kept indoors, however owner should do their research, if there are protected bird/small mammal species in the area then they should limit the amount of time their pets are allowed to run wild.

Cats have a huge impact on urban wild life.

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  • unseemlycad
  • 1 Points
  • 15:28:01, 2 May

I agree up to a point, we must all be responsible where possible but... Humans have quite the impact as well so I suppose my question is, where is the line? And why is it okay that we are so far the other side of it and yet like to ignore that paradigm in the context of this conversation? Are cats not... Urban wildlife up to a point? I'm pretty sure they think they are, even if we have given them the title domestic. It's certainly is an interesting minefield.

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  • mindondrugs
  • -7 Points
  • 13:29:10, 2 May

My foot in your fucking ass decides the right, prick.

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  • Wirenutt
  • -3 Points
  • 14:18:26, 2 May

You come in my yard with that attitude and you will be suffering an acute case of lead poisoning, just like your filthy fucking animal, prick.

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  • vinney1369
  • 3 Points
  • 13:27:25, 2 May

Oh, so you think shooting the cat was a better idea than calling animal control? Also, I'm pretty sure he was making the point that domestic, homed cats has all of their basic needs (and probably more) taken care of, and therefore just kill for fun. This is in addition to all the "asshole" things cats do just to mess with you. I'm 32 and have had cats all my life. They can be the most awesome fucktard bastards you'll ever know.

Also, suggesting the humane path is not a reason to suggest pot. He said that the neighbor should have said something if they knew it was his, so, what's it supposed to be if they don't know who it belongs to? If the neighbor doesn't want cats in his yard, should he shoot them or call animal control?

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  • unseemlycad
  • -4 Points
  • 13:57:53, 2 May

Neither. I just like cats. Perhaps the weed comment was too flippant for this humorless bunch so let me say, he should find a way to relax. If you live on planet earth lots of animals will enter your property because the ecosystem doesn't understand the idea of trespass. What about keen gardeners? Should they be allowed to shoot birds that eat their precious earth worms? Or should they call animal control next time a migrating, non indigenous bird shits on their porch, eats their fruit and kills their insects and invertebrates? How about next time I see a grey squirrel in my English garden? I should shoot it? Or call the authorities? They are non indigenous where I live and they kill the local squirrels so it's murder or jail for that cute little bastard right?

We share the earth so share and learn to relax. Or you could try and impose your impotent authority over an ecosystem you helped create and certainly cause more problems for than your neighbors cat. Why is it one rule for cats and not birds? Could it be that this person just doesn't like cats? Like I said. Find a way to relax.

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  • vinney1369
  • 0 Points
  • 14:27:11, 2 May

I agree that most people need to chill. However, the cat is domestic, and especially in a city, should be kept indoors or should be kept inside his own yard. He has chosen to take the cat as a pet and is therefore responsible for it's safety. The world is full of assholes. If he is serious about keeping his cat safe he should take his responsibility seriously. I learned that lesson when I was young and found out that a neighbor was trapping and killing cats. I didn't get one of mine back. :(

Also, the migratory bird comment and squirrels is even more flippant than the pot comment. They are wild animals. The don't have owners. They answer to no one but themselves, and their lives are going to be more perilous because of it. I understand, they don't need owners, and I'm sure you just want everyone to get along, which is admirable. Have you considered that maybe the person who shot his cat was trying to protect some of those same birds and squirrels? Maybe the cat was wantonly destroying the local critter population. In that instance, who is the bad guy? Maybe the person tried to kill the cat for fun. Who is worse in that situation? Is it the cat for killing for fun or is it the neighbor killing for fun? What makes one better or worse than the other?

All I'm saying is there are millions of reasons for what happened. Maybe the neighbor is an asshole, maybe the cat is an asshole, Maybe, just maybe, it was an accident. Just be careful when you lash out, because people very rarely have all the facts.

Lastly, I apologize if I've offended you, because I'm really not upset, just arguing the point. I love my cats, and because I love them, I keep them safe. I'm building an enclosed area in my backyard this year since I do live in a city and I still want to be able to let them out to enjoy the weather. It's work, and spendy, but ultimately it'll be better for everyone involved. :)

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  • unseemlycad
  • 4 Points
  • 14:42:51, 2 May

Not angry at all. You're good and I like a good debate.

I do think my example stands however because... Well... Does the cat know it's domestic? I mean it's operating in exactly the same way as the birds. It has occurred to me that the person wanted to protect one part of the ecosystem by killing another part yes. That's the thing I find pretty stupid. It's a cat so we can be fairly sure it was indeed wantonly killing the local critter population. Just like the thousands of insects, mammals and birds that pass through that land weekly. Who is the bad guy? This is the retarded part of the whole thing. You are attributing blame to an animal. The bad guy is surely the human who know better not the animal that intrinsically doesn't? Who is the bad guy? I'm going with... the guy? Animals can't be assholes because they have no concept of your morals. Or are birds worm murders? My cat was a rescue and was already used to having a territory. Keeping him indoors or shutting him in the yard would have been cruel. Believe me, I tried. Thankfully I don't appear to live near any evil people.

This is interesting so please believe me dude, this doesn't offend me. How about answering this question.... Just because someone owns the cat doesn't mean it knows and should act accordingly surely? Does that mean it has less right to be there than a feral animal? Obviously if it's killing chickens then... Shit... Secure your chickens and I'll secure my cat the best I can, sure, but... Why does a cat have less right to shit on your property than a bird? I just find it a very weird and highly strung attitude. Personally I like living things on my property and I suppose I find it hard to understand people who don't.

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  • vinney1369
  • 1 Points
  • 16:09:15, 2 May

Well, I think the issues is the way each critter goes about their business. Gardeners hate them because they dig up the gardens, and the crap in them. In nature this is normal and acceptable. The problem with a domestic housecat is that it has all of it's needs already taken care of. It's fed, has a warm place to live, and it generally lives a happy, comforting lifestyle. That said, I believe cats DO know the difference. One key indicator is that domestic cats meow. Apparently this is a trait that is specific to kittens and non-feral cats (or mostly.) The birds have to risk their lives to continue their lives. Housecats don't.

As far as people....that's a tough one. Now, without getting too philosophical, people are animals too, and our frame of reference is really going to be the important factor here:

  1. Using the frame that humans are advanced and have an ability to consider our actions differently than most animals, it is reasonable to expect that we have a responsibility to become better than ourselves; To strive to be more than we are. In comparison to animal intellect, we could consider ourselves Godlike, since we have an ability to reason that they don't. In that frame it seems that we should be protectors. To regulate the world and what is in it to try to maximize the lives of all those in it. This frame has a huge inherent flaw that I see, and that would be the ego that is attached to it.
  2. That brings me to my second frame. The Universe. It's huge, it's unforgiving, and it will destroy you without any notice. Its chaos. It's also a lot bigger than us. Without ego clouding our view, and seeing ourselves as a tiny speck in the universe, technically we're just stronger animals. Who is to say that we don't have the right to kill for fun or do whatever else we want. I know that's way, way further out than we need to reference, but I just wanted to show a stark contrast.
  3. (Not that I need another point, but I should probably just mention this for the sake of things) From a planetary point of view, who is to say that we even have a right to do what we're doing? We're wiping out entire species at a frightening rate. Eventually the planet will be mostly humans and whatever we decide we like to eat, if we follow the current trend. Maybe that is the point of all of it. Maybe that's how we win the game. Maybe the goal is to crush everything beneath our feet and bend to our whim, until something comes along and puts us in our place again. Who knows?

I'm going to apologize again, because I think I went off on a tear and going back and forth from work to my reply makes it hard to stay on track. Maybe I just need a little weed and a hammock, and just watch the whole damn thing unfold. I guess only time will tell.

To answer your question, I think we DO have a responsibility to our pets. We love them, and they love us, and they aren't feral. They have come to depend on us. A feral animal is on it's own, and the rules say that if you get killed along the way, C'est la vie. We protect because we care, and that love doesn't transfer to others. My neighbor doesn't love my cat like I do, they have other things they care about. One person's world is another person's nuisance. People (and Americans more specifically) are incredibly high strung. Maybe it's our nature, or perhaps society has been built this way, forcing us to follow a lifestyle of consumerism and greed (not malevolent greed, but collecting money, stuff, etc.), but ultimately, I'm not sure any of us will really know what is right. Personally, my motto is to leave everyone and everything you encounter better than you found them. C'est la vie. :)

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  • unseemlycad
  • 1 Points
  • 16:15:48, 2 May

Yep. Good. I like that we are both doing the work thing and you have still made me listen in a very persuasive way. I think my strong words came from being appalled at what appeared to be some folk justifying being cruel to an animal. Of course it's more complicated than that and it's nice that smart people have been able to force some objectivity on me. Again. Like.

Don't work to hard bro. That metaphorical (or if you're lucky literal) hammock awaits.

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  • TeeHitt
  • 1 Points
  • 17:53:10, 2 May

Unhealthy? There is 0 evidence marijuana is unhealthy. As a matter of fact, its been shown to slow/almost halt the growth of 8 different types of cancer cells. Do some research before talking about what you know nothing about

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  • unseemlycad
  • 2 Points
  • 17:55:24, 2 May

Yep, sorry. I think I was more talking about smoking, as in setting fire to something and inhaling the smoke, rather than marijuana itself.

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  • TeeHitt
  • 1 Points
  • 18:09:10, 2 May

Well, that's how most people consume it. I personally vaporize, like Willie Nelson, and that's extremely healthy. Even smoking it though no study has ever shown it to cause any physical harm (except the one where they suffocated the poor monkeys with like an ounce of marijuana over 15 minutes).

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  • jakesredditaccount
  • 0 Points
  • 13:58:47, 2 May

Feral Cats.

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  • unseemlycad
  • -4 Points
  • 14:03:56, 2 May

Are untrained? Or... What you getting at dude?

edit: I am finding the response to this whole thing very eye opening and this really was a serious question rather than a dig. This guy might have a good point.

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  • jakesredditaccount
  • 1 Points
  • 16:23:51, 2 May

Feral cats are a huge problem once you get out of the city, people have cats, then they don't get them spayed and neutered, cat runs off, starts having kittens, then populations of cats become established. Cats are effectively a super predator in the midwest, which is why a lot of conservationists typically have a less than friendly view towards feral cats. That's before you get into the whole my cat had kittens now i'm going to go release them in the country mindset. I get it, we all think cats are adorable, don't shoot cat's in your neighborhood, that's a given rule, the people who do are asshats, plain and simple. Sorry if ramble, Feral cats are a huge problem that gets no attention cause people hear feral cat and think 'why would someone want to kill my bootsie' or whatever cat people name their cat, what they don't realize is that bootsi's litter of kittens last year are killing their way through native everything populations. Except turkeys. Those are some foul fowl, if you know what I mean. vicious.

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  • unseemlycad
  • 2 Points
  • 16:27:15, 2 May

Haha. I got chased by a turkey once. I was for sure on the shooting cats is for asshats approach rather than the objective side. I work for animal charities sometimes and thus every cat I have owned was spayed from the get go but your point still stands and is an excellent one.

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  • jakesredditaccount
  • 1 Points
  • 16:33:09, 2 May

It's like the van Halen M&M's thing, it sounds stupid and pointless until you go deeper. Chances are whoever shot op's cat is in the asshat category.

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  • drstinkfinger
  • 1 Points
  • 13:22:03, 2 May

As long as we're perpetuating weed myths, I knew a guy that snorted 3 pots and he died!

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  • unseemlycad
  • -2 Points
  • 13:23:38, 2 May

I inject it in my eye. Much more relaxing, and safer too.

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  • constantiNOPEle
  • 1 Points
  • 18:13:28, 2 May

Fuck birds. They kill loads of small insects and worms and shouldn't be allowed outside.

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  • apsychosbody
  • -10 Points
  • 12:56:18, 2 May

Oh man. You are an idiot. "I cant blame the person that shot it"? Like fuck you you fucking piece of shit.

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  • [deleted]
  • -5 Points
  • 05:52:23, 2 May

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  • ennadnam
  • 36 Points
  • 05:58:33, 2 May

Why is it "supposed" to go outside? Fuck that. When I had cats I didn't let them out because I respected my neighbors and cared for my cats. I don't just let my dogs run around the neighborhood because people are assholes.

And I said not to let it out unattended. The outside world is dangerous for our pets as evidenced by OP.

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  • Mordredbas
  • 8 Points
  • 07:51:19, 2 May

My cats are indoor cats, they do not go outside and I can leave the front door open. As long as I am in sight they stay inside. If I'm not they sneak out and go 5 feet to where a feral tomcat likes to spray my window.

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  • CobbLeja
  • 11 Points
  • 12:25:08, 2 May

"I'M SORRY BUT THE SCENT HERE MAKES ME GO MORE CRAZY!"

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  • mneddy
  • -1 Points
  • 14:39:44, 2 May

My cat would absolutely fucking hate being stuck inside all day. He is a natural born predator. He loves to catch mice and roam the neighborhood. He comes in to eat and snuggle then he's out. It's like saying you shouldn't let your kids go outside because there are assholes who could abduct, run-over, or hurt them. Life is dangerous for all of us. That doesn't mean you stop living it.

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  • kubigjay
  • 5 Points
  • 15:58:34, 2 May

Well - you really shouldn't let your kids roam the neighborhood unattended. I imagine your neighbors would be upset if your kid (who they don't know) shows up and destroys their garden and pulls their dogs tail.

In fact - if I found a roaming child I would call child protective services.

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  • ravenandwritingdesk
  • 3 Points
  • 14:54:33, 2 May

I had an asshole uncle. He will scream and chase children away with an Axe for being on his lawn. If he sees a cat he will either a) catch it and beat it to death or b) shoot it with a hunting rifle.

Cats aren't kids and most people are happily able to hurt an animal that irritates them or they don't like.

In another tale of familial feline hatred, my mother (May she burn in hell) leaves fish, cat food, tuna and other goodies out on her lawn for cats. Each is filt with either bleach or what ever other poison she can find at the time.

Sure, this is anecdotal evidence but the risk is still out there for your pets. Ignoring the plethora of other risks to their lives. It's best to keep a pet inside where they wont kill native wildlife, get hurt or hurt others and their pets. Sure life is dangerous for all of us but that doesn't mean you accept the inherent risk of just allowing something with less intelligence and understanding then a 4th grader out and about the neighborhood. Especially if it's liable to kill wildlife.

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  • sfoxy
  • 4 Points
  • 15:01:03, 2 May

So I can't let my cats out because of your unstable relatives? Fuck that noise. Reddit is so fucking twisted about cats sometimes. You know your car does a lot of damage to the environment and there are people out there who could easily wreck into you or car jack you... maybe you even have another relative who would steal your car! maybe you shouldn't drive your car around anymore, especially since you could get into an accident and something negative might happen!

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  • mneddy
  • 1 Points
  • 15:21:51, 2 May

Clearly you haven't met my cat. I'm well aware of the risks as my poor dad lost a dog to a psychotic neighbor who put out poison. He is no longer a pet owner because of it, which is awful because he loves animals. However, we adopted our cat from the shelter as an adult, and he is most decidedly an outdoor cat.

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  • nigrochinkspic
  • 1 Points
  • 18:45:12, 2 May

A golded comment in the negatives? That's a first.

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  • trainsimulator2013
  • -5 Points
  • 12:12:48, 2 May

My cat lives outside unless it's cold, hardly ever see him. He's fine though, might kill a mouse or slow bird every year or so.

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  • TheOilyHill
  • 3 Points
  • 14:28:22, 2 May

are you talking about the strays you've neutered and fed on special occasion?

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  • sfoxy
  • -1 Points
  • 15:07:37, 2 May

I have two cats like that. I'm glad they live outside, they enjoy it more that way. I don't care how many birds or mammals they kill.. i really could fucking careless. Most of the "wildlife" around here isn't native to the area anyhow. All the armchair experts here on reddit will tell you otherwise though and spout off about how damaging it is to let your cat loose. There are really a ton of other things on here that are way more important to be passion about but its just one of those hip topics to jump on board with and go full redditard about. They're going to try to make you feel bad for not keeping your cat couped up in the house all day... Like that makes any fucking sense. If you seriously think its so cool to own a cat that you're going to keep it locked up in your house all day then fuck you. If you really want to be passionate about the situation then you should be an advocate of people not owning cats at all... or any other pet that people regularly let out of their homes. This just perpetuates the industry that makes it so accessible for assholes like myself and transimluator2013 to get our hands on these vicious animals who are going to abosolutely run a muck and destroy the world!

/rant

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  • VULGARITY_IN_ALLCAPS
  • -19 Points
  • 06:01:07, 2 May

WORLD BUTTHURPED CHAMPION

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  • RAG1NG_BADGER
  • 7 Points
  • 06:09:26, 2 May

Keeping a cat indoors and declawing it are two entirely separate issues.....one is for the convenience of humans while the other is to keep a cat from being hit

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  • RAG1NG_BADGER
  • 7 Points
  • 06:10:32, 2 May

*hit by a car, eaten by a wild animal, infected with a deadly disease from other cats or wildlife, running away, etc, or in this case, being shot at.

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  • CharredCereus
  • 11 Points
  • 10:41:26, 2 May

AND they decimate local populations of birds, small mammals and reptiles. Not so bad when it catches a mouse, but they kill a lot more than they eat and they'll go for anything. A bell won't always be enough, smarter cats learn to not jingle them as they move while hunting. AND they breed like rabbits let out unfixed.

Seriously it's just irresponsible to leave a cat free roaming. Take it for a walk on a leash if it really yearns for the outdoors. You're doing it and everything else a favor. It's not socially acceptable to let your dog roam feral, why is it ok for cats?

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  • knocklessmonster
  • 3 Points
  • 08:33:14, 2 May

I had that second one happen. Cat got swooped up by an owl after she got out one day, and didn't turn up until night. My dad planned on letting her in in the morning, but that had to happen.

Fortunately, I wasn't there, but he heard it happen, and found the scattered leaves where it happened.

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  • Ryugi
  • 0 Points
  • 09:01:34, 2 May

Also it's been proven that letting an indoor cat outside on occasion may cause it to adopt ferral behavior. Which is bad.

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  • boonamobile
  • 2 Points
  • 05:59:12, 2 May

Some cats are just indoor cats

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  • Coach_Hiens
  • 4 Points
  • 05:59:05, 2 May

But it will get shot...

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  • atomic_bonanza
  • 3 Points
  • 12:44:19, 2 May

Yeah keep your kitty inside. He/she will be upset about it but they just need to deal. Not just because you have dick neighbors who like to abuse animals but because it's freakishly easy to get your cat smashed by a car when you let it outside. Or have them get stuck somewhere and starve to death.

Source: Friends with outside/inside cats, having an outside/inside cat growing up.

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  • TheOilyHill
  • 3 Points
  • 14:30:43, 2 May

Car and cat don't mix well. I've seen too many roadkills to let my cat out onto the street.

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  • CandeeExplosion
  • 0 Points
  • 14:54:47, 2 May

I let my cats out, but I'm always home when I do that. It also helps that they don't wonder too far off, and they both come when called.

If I don't let them out, especially when it's not a million degrees outside, they fight. A lot. But when they get to go out, they're good.

Mostly the just run around our yard and hang out on the roof.