'A country that has to ration their electricity is about to beat the most powerful nation in the world. That sort of shows how awful the US is at this sport' doesn't go down to well in /r/soccer. (np.reddit.com)
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172 comments submitted at 20:18:23 on Jun 16, 2014 by Brumworth
And it isn't just there. This soccer shit has leaked in to all sorts of subreddits I like lately.
This world cup thing is a PIA.
You just don't like it because the team from your area is not as good as the team from my area. /s
Hey guys, check out the smug Brazilian.
Whatchu sayin' 'bout my Trojans? Fight on, beat this person's school!
Yall can geaux to hell. #crystalball #2003
oh please, that's nothing, my family has disowned me
Oh grow up. It's the world's biggest sport. Europeans didn't complain when half the front page was NFL related during the Super Bowl.
I don't think you understand. I mean the bickering over it... but good example there :P
There was tons of "bickering" over the Super Bowl as well. Europeans didn't complain.
I don't think you understood my post.
Of course not, they don't speak Liberty.
Lol, reddit is an American site, deal with it.
I will deal with it only when Americans stop complaining about an imaginary "anti-American circlejerk" despite making up 70% of the website and Reddit being American, it screams of desperate persecution complex.
Have you ever been on /r/worldnews?
/r/worldnews? You mean that place which spouts "DAMNED IF WE DO, DAMNED IF WE DONT" on every situation regarding US intervention and goes extreme lengths to justify American foreign policy at the expense of those evil Moooslems? Yes I have, it's a constant anti-Muslim, anti-Israel, pro-American circlejerk. It's the biggest American persecution complex of them all.
So no, you have never been to /r/worldnews.
Well every non-American in /r/soccer seems to throw a damn hissy fit about America-this America-that, and this thread isn't much better. But it's cool, stay butthurt.
No, we don't care about the US team that much. They're just another World Cup football team.
Please find me a heavily upvoted comment in this thread that is even slightly anti-American, because at the moment it seems to be a massive pro-America circlejerk.
Well the anti-america stuff I'm referencing doesn't happen in SRD, it happens in /r/soccer. What I've seen in this SRD thread is a bunch of butthurt europeans whining about Americans and then getting laughed at because you guys are salty as fuck about all this world cup bullshit.
Can I have a heavily upvoted anti-America comment in /r/soccer then?
The only way to know is to try!
That's a "no", then. So could you stop whining about how reddit is so anti-American, please?
I appreciate that a lot of people watch it, but it's not the most important thing in the universe, as some seem to be making it out to be.
Atm it is. Its the biggest sporting event in the world.
And somewhere, there's a world's largest termite mound. Doesn't mean i need to hear about it constantly.
It's a bunch of dudes kicking a ball. People should keep that in proper perspective.
Do you hold the same opinion of the olympics?
The Olympics should be filled with criminals and all the sports should be blood sports.
I do.
No, i think the olympics should be canceled outright. It's a titanic waste of money and energy that could be better used for something else.
Summer 2012 cost about 9.3 billion dollars. - if you don't think there's a better way that could be spent then watching people play sports, then you are drunk.
Not every expenditure of money has to be for some tangible betterment of mankind.
On the other hand, sport and the arts are important for people as well.
he said while wasting time on reddit instead of serving in a soup kitchen
Yeah? And what the fuck do you do all day?
And I'd like to see you convince billions of people that they should cancel some of the most important worldwide events because of whatever stupid reasons you've got.
If you can't see the benefit of sports on the world stage, then you are the one who is drunk.
we like sports and we dont care who knows
I can 100% guarantee that you deeply care about something that most other people think doesn't matter at all. Doesn't mean you shouldn't care about it.
What I don't get is that apparently FIFA is a babyeating satanmonster...but all the people who claim it is continue to line their pockets. I've yet to see an adequate justification from people who both love kickyfooty but hate FIFA for why they continue to contribute to the problem.
I also don't get why sports fans act like they are somehow participating in the action. Its all over reddit this week. "We" won, "My" team. If I walked out of a Captain America saying "Yeah! WE did it! We beat (Villain)!" people would think I'm a nutter.
>If I walked out of a Captain America saying "Yeah! WE did it! We beat (Villain)!" people would think I'm a nutter.
So, uh... you understand that soccer exists in real life, right?
So, uh...how does that change the actual example?
The level of interaction between people watching a soccer game on television and someone watching a movie on television is exactly the same. Their impact on the events occurring is identical. You knew that already though and were just being obnoxious, right?
What the fuck? If I threw a train onto a pitch during a game it would kill people, if I threw one threw a movie screen nothing would happen in the movie.
If you are implying you can throw a train at all, even if you can't somehow throw it through the previously specified television where the match is being watched, then I am sorry.
I do not want to be on the bad side of a guy who can apparently throw trains.
I used an example like that so that you couldn't deny that the event would have some effect. I thought you were saying that watching a game in person and cheering had the same effect as watching a movie on a screen. That must have been in another part of this thread.
its funny because he used "threw" where it should have been "through" and you used "through" when it should have been "threw"
Ah you caught it before I fixed it hah
The we and my thing is just a thing. People identify with all sorts of things, video games, politicians, subreddits...
FIFA is akin to the NCAA in the US, and fans of NCAA sports are often not a fan of the NCAA.
FIFA is a mess, but I'm not sure it could be any other way. The sheer range of nations, stability, legal issues... resource disparity seems to invite madness.
>FIFA is akin to the NCAA in the US, and fans of NCAA sports are often not a fan of the NCAA.
>FIFA is a mess, but I'm not sure it could be any other way. The sheer range of nations, stability, legal issues... resource disparity seems to invite madness.
"I don't know how/ can't see how it could be better." seems a pretty poor excuse for continuing to sponsor what I've been led to believe is an incredibly evil organization.
It isn't a defense, it is how it is.
If it isn't a defense/excuse/justification, then how do you justify the immoral action of supporting an allegedly evil organization?
I'm curious. What immoral action did people perform today that involved FIFA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I&feature=kp
Now keep in mind I don't follow soccer so my information comes second hand, but this is a fairly broad description of the things they do wrong that you are directly supporting by financially supporting the organization as a whole.
You could argue that financial support in exchange for a service is not tacit support of the company's actions as a whole I suppose. I think you'd be wrong, but you COULD argue/believe that.
I'm familiar with FIFA's poor behavior. I guess I should've asked if you believe it's immoral to view entertainment? FIFA's certainly making money off the ESPN broadcasts whether I watch them or not.
And we get into the argument I find myself having on reddit a lot: How many steps of separation are necessary before your actions are no longer influencing other's actions? How responsible are you for those things?
I don't really know the answer to either sadly. Obviously ESPN wouldn't pay FIFA if no one was watching the broadcasts. So are you supporting ESPN supporting FIFA by watching them? I would say so. A lot of people, like you did, will make the argument "Well but lots of other people are doing it so therefore it is okay if I do it because my 1 view/vote/dollar won't matter anyway."
That seems like an untenable position to me because it tends to be everyone's justification and as such becomes kind of circular.
I had this same problem with the Ender's Game movie because I didn't want to financially support or indirectly support a vehicle that gave money to an open and unapologetic bigot.
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If it isn't a defense / excuse / justification... I would I need to justify it?
> If I walked out of a Captain America saying "Yeah! WE did it! We beat (Villain)!" people would think I'm a nutter.
True, but that is mostly because in a movie it doesn't matter who you root for, because the end is scripted.
And in sports your rooting has no effect on the outcome whatsoever so the fact that it is live rather than scripted doesn't really matter?
Look up home-field advantage. It has a huge effect.
From people actually present (or arguably just because familiar facilities/environment/not traveling)
That doesn't explain the participation claimed by people watching on tv/online/reading scores on reddit.
>participation claimed by people watching on tv/online
Does anyone actually do that?
That's how I interpret the we/my/our language that spawned this discussion.
It has no effect on the outcome, but you still have to bet or hope for it.
I mean, would you believe there is any chance of C. America not defeating the bad guy?
Let's swap Captain America for Any given character from the A Song of Ice and Fire book series then, since the "good guys" in that have a fairly high mortality rate and people (Other than George) don't actually know the outcome in advance.
Fair enough.
But now lets make the characters of ASOIAF be representative of a region each; the Starks are Dakota, the Lannisters are Miami, the whoever else is other states.
People wouldnt think you were so weird if you said "we" won, if the Miami Lannisters killed someone else.
Other than having those words in their names, how are they representative of the region? Much like sports teams the characters aren't from those regions, their sponsors/owners aren't from those regions, and in sports some of the time they don't even PLAY in those regions (See NY Giants playing in New Jersey for example).
I dunno.
Human nature.
NY Giants is the New York Metro area team. The Metro area extends into New Jersey. East Rutherford, the location the Giants play, is a suburb of NYC. The NY Jets (who play at the same stadium) represent the city itself. Neither team represents the state. Not to take away from your point, just explaining it the NY Giants situation.