A troll hashtag started by 4chan causes a bit of a stir in /r/MensRights. Who really got trolled? 4chan, MRAs or feminists? (np.reddit.com)
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208 comments submitted at 13:34:44 on Jun 14, 2014 by fuck_so_edgy
Wow, the mental gymnastics in that thread are astounding. The guy asking for evidence of a claim is getting heavily downvoted, and the responses are essentially "well you can't prove it's not feminists supporting it" and "feminists are crazy in general, so we can assume they support this without any evidence." That one guy further down even says something to the effect of "anything that makes feminists look bad is a good thing, even if it's a lie." Seriously, look at it.
JudgyBitch (prominent MRA) was tweeting about the hashtag and when she finally realized it was fake she reasoned that it was feminists fault because if feminists weren't so extreme she never would have fallen for it.
Anything they believe is proof of how bad feminism is, even if they know it's false.
Funny how you don't see feminists making #rapethefeminists hashtag to try and make MRAs look bad, despite the fact that there are way more of them. I guess there's just enough to criticize the MRM about without making shit up.
nope they just call in terrorist threats to hotels in order to intimidate them into cancelling a men's rights conference.
Uh-huh. If you have some proof of that it would be nice. ...because it's also just as likely that an MRA called in those threats to generate press.
They moved to a cheaper venue out in the suburbs just a week after raising a ton of money (well over their stated goal) so they could stay at the Doubletree. I'm sure that's a coincidence, though. And no doubt that extra money will be refunded to donors or used to support men in need instead of just being pocketed. Right?
Well... yeah. OBVIOUSLY. It's not like Elam has EVER pocketed donations before. He's also NEVER berated guys who are on unemployment for not giving him enough money while he sponges off his girlfriend and writes angry, spittle-flecked diatribes about how men have to do all the bread-winning.
He has a girlfriend?
He's been divorced like FOUR times
I'm sure he blames feminism for that as well.
Really? That's really surprising.
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That's what I've heard he has said. I take most of what he says with a grain of salt, though... or rather I take it with most of the salt-mining operations that take place under the great lakes.
Did you just complain about him sponging off his girlfriend then say he probably doesn't have one? Like, be scornful about whoever you want (and he certainly deserves it), but can we at least try to be logically consistent with it.
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I have no idea what this is referencing. Can someone give me a little context? Is there seriously a guy like this?
Paul Elam. He is the guy like this.
Well it's not feminists but that whole 2x thing did happen.
The thing where people were sending themselves hateful messages? Was there hard evidence of that? All I remember was that really vague admin post about how we "shouldn't trust everything we see," without any concrete examples except for someone using throwaways to upvote their own posts. I'm sure it happens, just wondering if there was any hard proof of specific cases.
Admins directly said the majority of the harassing messages were fake
No, they said that they had only received 3 reports in message form and some were fake. They also said nothing about whether those complains were submitted by regular 2x subbers or by people trying to show conflict and therefore get 2x knocked off default. They also made it public on 2x that if anyone had been receiving threatening messages they should message the admins as users were relying on the report function instead and for some reason they weren't received or that wasn't adequate. Seems like there was some website design error that was preventing many from reporting harassment.
Read the post again
edit: okay that was wrong
No. You are completely incorrect.
http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/26b8fz/itsbeentwoweekssincetwoxbecameadefault/chpnili
>Out of all of the reports that other people have sent our way (generally it is other users reporting things to us on someone else's behalf), I'd say that maybe only two to four have been legit.
Of all reports made, only a handful were legitimate - meaning the vast majority were false.
You have that completely backward
>Funny how you don't see feminists making #rapethefeminists hashtag to try and make MRAs look bad
no they just claim eliot rodgers was an MRA when they know he wasn't.
He used the language and he certainly had the attitude that pushed me away from the Men's Rights subreddit.
you mean the same way hitler pushed a lot of people away from workers rights, animal rights, and vegetarianism?
except hitler was actually all the things I said.
Wow, Godwin already.
I'm all for addressing the issues that men face in society, but it's not a zero sum game. It's the 'oh feminist/women are to blame' attitude that both Elliot and the Men's Rights subreddit seem to have that sickens me. Everybody has their godamn issues, and they all should be addressed. All the hate, all the damn circlejerking, and the lack of actual solutions is not going to help anyone.
Hitler's platform may have had some good ideas, but nobody's going to associate themselves with the platform itself unless they're an anti-semitic ass. They'll take the good ideas and form their own group promoting them.
no, mras don't say women are to blame. feminism isn't women.
so feminists didn't sabotage the obama's stimulus package so most of the money went to women? feminists didn't repeatedly pass laws and policies to get men arrest ed for DV? feminists aren't getting legislation passed for force even more men out of college when they're already the minority?
feminist and women like brenda spencer are the sickening ones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Harding
>Harding referred to Newton's Principia Mathematica as a "rape manual" in her 1986 book "The Science Question in Feminism",
>a characterization that she later said she regretted.
Literally the remainder of that sentence.
I like how he even left the comma in his post
So just because you can find a feminist saying something fucked up, that means the entire movement is full of extremist?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Solanas
> Ti-Grace Atkinson, the New York chapter president of the National Organization for Women (NOW), described Solanas as "the first outstanding champion of women's rights"[71][72] and as "a 'heroine' of the feminist movement",[73][74] and "smuggled [her manifesto] ... out of the mental hospital where Solanas was confined."[73][74] Another NOW member, Florynce Kennedy, called her "one of the most important spokeswomen of the feminist movement."[19][72] Norman Mailer called her the "Robespierre of feminism."[71][a]
The only people you find that defend Solanas these days are mostly TERFs. And many people argue TERFs are not true feminists, but that's another story.
http://youtu.be/iARHCxAMAO0
feminists are so much better behaved now.
http://youtu.be/wAgYsvykEb8?t=3m33s
Well it is pretty telling of the direction the feminist movement is going when people can't distinguish between them and 4chan trolling. After feminists started "jokingly" using the #killallmen hashtag I've stopped bothering thinking feminists can be parodied.
Pretty much the only people who took it seriously were MRAs.
I linked to a Slate article where the author was very unhappy with the hashtag. I don't think Mary Elizabeth Williams is a MRA.
No, I meant the "end father's day" one.
If I were you I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the people who fell for this or label them MRAs.
While I do sympathize with feminism overall, I've personally dealt with some incredibly toxic and spiteful people who use the label, so I can perfectly understand why someone would be so quick to assume this to be real.
No you see, feminism is absolute pure movement. There's no crazy element to it.
At least that's what SRD seems to think today. I wonder if that means they see Tumblr as mainstream feminism.
Anyway, did this comment cahin get brigaded from somewhere? An hour or so in my comments here were slightly in the positives before attracting a significant number of downvotes.
Except that you could make a similar troll account with anything. Conservatives, liberals, vegans, MRA's, libertarians, atheists, you name it.
The only "telling" thing about it is that the opponents of feminism are so hungry for something to jump on that they're easy as fuck to dupe.
Last November there were quite a few feminists on Tumblr and Twitter and other places you'd expect complaining about No Shave November. When November 19 rolled around these same people also got very unhappy about International Men's Day, but they cheered up a bit when they found out it was also World Toilet Day. I wouldn't put it past these same people to protest Father's Day. #EndFathersDay did turn out to be fake, sure, but the unhappiness feminists sometimes have for men being celebrated is real. You might think opponents of feminism are easy to dupe, but feminists themselves are making it hard for people to distinguish between themselves and trolls trying to them look bad.
Well, aside from none of that actually being true, you have a great point there.
It was real, feminist anger over Movember and International Men's Day were things that actually happened.
Yeeeeeeeah... no. I'm going to have to call bullshit on that.
Well, Here's one guy referencing the attitude on International Men's Day
>The single most common reaction to International Men’s Day among my friends on the political left is always some variation on “I thought every day was International Men’s Day?’ Some try to make it about the problems men cause women while others press the pedal for full-blown mockery and derision. Surely they realise that such swipes barely tickle at the men in designer suits who run the banks, the governments and the corporations, while cutting deep at the homeless, the desperate, the suicidal, the young victims of rape and sexual abuse leaving care and going straight to prison. They must feel so proud.
>I can also recognise that there are some self-styled men’s activists who use the occasion of IMD as an excuse to bash feminism, although the truth is those guys would use the occasion of a pigeon crapping on their shoulder as an excuse to bash feminism. I’m not prepared to relinquish the narrative of IMD to them, any more than I will to those who find it hilarious that it falls on the same day as World Toilet Day.
As for Movember, complaints about it were the bread and butter of Tumblrinaction last November (See here and here)
Oh. So Ally Fogg said something. Ummm... Ally Fogg is not "women" or "feminists".
Please provide proof of claims so conversational transactions con continue.
Also: I don't think I'm likely to be very trustful of "tumblr" as a source for feminist thinking.
How about you find me something that isn't a blog, or some guy saying he heard stuff someone said that one time, hmmm?
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