Not All Men agree with a joke in /r/trollxchromosomes. (np.reddit.com)
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585 comments submitted at 15:37:40 on Jun 10, 2014 by IAmAN00bie
Not All Men agree with a joke in /r/trollxchromosomes. (np.reddit.com)
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193 ups - 84 downs = 109 votes
585 comments submitted at 15:37:40 on Jun 10, 2014 by IAmAN00bie
>oh god please don't let SRD in here though. much as I love some of them, they tend to piss on the popcorn..
Aww...
#NotAllSRDer's
I think we're their least concern at the moment anyway with all the MRA/SRS/SRSSucks/TRP/TBP in that thread.
hey! did you just awww me? awwwww! so happy to be quoted in SRD
> so happy to be quoted in SRD
Kablamo!
Oh god its about to become Awwnarchy!
To be fair, I have forgotten my cootie shot today.
You anti-vaxxers are going to kill us all during nap time or something.
Jokes on you I'm not even tireddddzzzzzzz
Look out, he's turning into a bee!
Well not all men would throw a fit over that joke...
Honestly, I'd never heard of this sub before and its fucking hilarious. I sorted by "top:all time" - holy shit.
And I'm learning so much ^^^acidic ^^^vagina I just don't understand how anyone could take stuff posted there seriously. It's a humor sub and not the right place to pitch a hissy. I don't even think I would disagree with flossdaily if this were posted in a fempire-circlejerk sub, but this is clearly a joke.
TrollX is absolutely amazing!
Always remember /r/TrollYChromosome too!
Jesus, TiTrCJ - we're trying to talk about female humor subs and you've got to derail with your "what about TrollYChromosomes" bullshit.
Stop trollsplaining, its disgusting.
It's like people skip over the "troll" in TrollX, or get confused and think it's TwoX. Either way, it's silly.
But when you say "not all men" it implies "most men" and THIS MAKES ME WANT TO ARGUE WITH PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN IN TROLLX.
Seriously, I thought it would be funny to have default assholes in trollx but now its old. I miss the old period poops and sex posts.
Man, haven't seen /u/flossdaily in a while.
my prediction for this thread? Controversial!
161 comments at a total score of 19? Down votes everywhere? Looks like you were right.
From the looks of it the MRAs are currently winning the internet points battle, hopefully the feminists will have a late rally and keep things interesting.
> hopefully the feminists
SRS SHILL DETECTED
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25 karma, 192 comments.
My body is ready.
>tl;dr Just kidding. I understand you're having trouble coming from a woman's perspective. Women in our society are placed on a pedestal. Every small contribution to the arts or sciences from women is hailed as a grand achievement. (I realize there have been some grand achievements in physics and medicine from women but they are inarguably a tiny fraction of breakthroughs.) Little boys, on the other hand, are raised from a young age exposed to media portraying them as barbaric rapists and neanderthals. In higher education men are taught that we are all potential rapists, domestic abusers, and otherwise sociopathic. There are signs around my city that have pictures of little boys that say "waiting for instruction, mom" and "teach your son to respect women". There is no accountability on the other side. It is very easy for a woman to have a glass of wine, fuck a random dude, get slut shamed and then tell everyone she was "date raped". Even if she doesn't pass a rape kit, a young man's reputation can be destroyed. He can be removed from school or work just off her word alone. It happens all the time. I have heard women say they were convinced their partner "raped them" when their partner talked them into sex. This is disgusting. So, yeah, when I say "women make less because they do not seek higher paying STEM degrees" or "women make less because they work fewer hours than men" I'm not talking about all women. You have to understand how damaging it is to society to have this message repeated by radical and even moderate feminists over and over again. So yeah, not all fucking men are rapists, murderers, stalkers, or patriarchal. Some of us love you to death and respect your boundaries, independence, and contributions to society/our personal lives and just wish the minority of you that are fucking crazy and think we're all out to get you would shut the fuck up.
Found some new copypasta.
> It is very easy for a woman to have a glass of wine, fuck a random dude, get slut shamed and then tell everyone she was "date raped".
We've gotta contender for person with the least self awareness.
Also, who knew that rape kits were something you have to "pass?" "I'm sorry, but the results came back and it appears you were only 30% raped, which is an F. You can try again in 90 days."
Stupid homeschool kids fucking up the curve.
According to all of the recent sensationalized news reports, however, that would pass the Turing rape test.
That guy is a prolific TrollX troll, and is completely oblivious. A few days back he was trying to tell the sub not to talk about whatever it was we were talking about because he didn't like it. One of his reasonings was that the sub represented a very small percentage of women (which is true), but while failing to realize that he represented 0% of women, so his opinion on appropriate topics for a women's sub was pretty much irrelevant.
Wait a sec, so this is a guy who comes into a women's comedic subreddit and spams his MALE OPINIONS about everything?
I guess there are more pathetic things to do with your time and OMG OUTRAGE. I just can't think of one right this second.
>The whole campaign is premised on the the idea that most men are guilty. It puts the presumption of guilt on all of us, necessitating a defense. To stay silent in the face of this accusation would be far more indicative of guilt.
No, it wasn't and no, it didnt. But now it does because of all the defeners!
new challenger!
Hope this keeps Andr3wsky on his toes!
ya gotta eat karma and crap meme, ~~rocky~~ /u/Andr3wsky
Ugh all the gender war stuff looks like popcorn and smells like popcorn but it tastes like fetid shit soaked in extra cholesterol butter.
That guy clearly won the "40 yard sprint to being offended" event in the Oppression Olympics, but I'm so bored of all of it and want so badly to move on. Every thread. Every single thread someone is whining about how men are treated or how something is offensive to people without gender, and all of it is petty bull shit compared to, you know, actual, real world problems that have solutions and just need a little attention and elbow grease.
I don't know why I can't leave Reddit. Every break between hearings I'm back here, on my phone, reading the same arguments just with different actors. It's cliché and stupid to whine about a website, yeah, yeah, yeah.
More than that, though, it's depressing that all these people want to change world, but not for the better. Only so that it would be easier for them to live in it, even if that means it's harder for everyone else. All of the time and attention spent on this. I get that the masses are cows, chewing their own cud, but c'mon. Change the channel, y'all.
> I don't know why I can't leave Reddit.
Agreed, it's just like depressing interactive daytime television.
if you feel the need to defend yourself and you dont consider yourself a part of the non-douche minority then you're basically admitting guilt, thus necessitating the entire movement
that's what's so funny to me. i see that shit and i'm just sitting here not being who they're talking about and it doesn't bother me at all. i have to wonder about a guy that sees "hey lots of dudes are pretty bad news so i have to be careful" and goes NUH UH
Looks like we got a special snowflake here
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tl;dr
>I WOULD LOVE YOU A LOT MORE IF YOU WOULD JUST LEARN TO SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH
Is the writer a TRPer? $100 on he's a TRPer.
Well, the user has this gem in TwoX:
>You really need to lighten up. This entire subreddit strikes me as the kid who couldn't take a joke and grew up hating men.
And this in againstmensrights:
>It baffles me that me feminists, steeped in this bigoted and psychotic culture, do not recognize the damage their "movement" causes to gender relations. Late feminism only hurts our society.
This on a shark bite picture:
>In the shark's defense, I'd bite her too.
On the other hand, he did have this...um... well, it's not MRA-friendly response:
>So are you a feminazi or an MRA pussy?
On the other other hand, though...
>If twox is default they should make redpill default and let all the crazies suffer.
So, TRPer? Probably not. Just an average run-of-the-mill asshole.
reddit.txt right here
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Not all Muslims are terrorists. But imagine a bowl of M&Ms...
Not all black people steal but 10% of M&Ms have peanuts in them. My child is allergic to peanuts so i don't let him play with the black children because 10% of black people steal peanuts and M&Ms are bad for you.
Some of the M&Ms are made with pork, and are an abomination unto Allah. Who gave you these M&Ms? They clearly don't respect your personal faith. Why are you still friends with them?
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> no need to derail the conversation by defending yourself.
I always have a hard time with this concept. It's difficult to not respond when people talk shit about a group I belong to.
I really wish Donald Sterling had come out and said, "I don't appreciate everyone trying to derail the conversation I was having about my girlfriend hanging out with black people. I don't need these tone arguments."
As someone who's had this happen to them, let me try to explain.
You're talking about how your teacher was a dick or whatever. You tell your friend "Fuck, I hate when teachers are shitty at teaching." Someone you've never heard of interrupts, telling you that not all teachers are like that. In fact, their teachers are never like that. The problem is that you don't understand that that kind of generalizing language is hurtful to teachers. They then go on to suck you into a huge discussion in which you have to defend your ability to criticize this person at all, and you never get to talk to your friend about the problem.
This is the context I see Not All Men most often in- someone is clearly referring to a subset of men, and someone injects nuance that isn't needed and forces others to have to reaffirm that none of them are saying a thing they never said instead of focusing on the issues at hand. I honestly have never seen someone use it when a statement actually seemed to implicate all men.
I'm beginning to believe that there are actually two, distinct, yet poorly defined problems occurring here.
I've seen cases when women are talking about a specific set of men or a single man and oppression olympian MRAs jump in with "Not all men!" in a harmful and derailing way (hell, we're linked to one right now).
But I have also absolutely seen times when a woman says something which far overgeneralizes men in a demeaning way, and when a man remarks on the overreaching and insulting nature of the statement they get slammed with "Not all men!" (but sarcastically).
This SMBC comic sums it up rather perfectly.
Question; if someone were to say "women are money grubbing whores" you'd be offended right? Because I'd be offended because not all women are like that. In fact, most women aren't like that. I'm sure there are some women who are like that, but it's pretty shitty to generalize women that way, right?
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Yeah, maybe not all teachers. But if 10% of teachers poisoned your candy go ahead and have a handful, not all teachers.
https://twitter.com/wagnerfilm/status/470831393639890944
I hate this rhetoric so much, it'd be more like 1 in 100 M&Ms is poisoned and only in certain circumstances and you can generally kinda tell but not always if it's poisoned. And if it's poisoned you don't always die, you just go through varying levels of shit, and you're forced to interact with these M&Ms daily, and 99.9% of the time they're fine.
...then you see #killallmen hashtags, not #killsomemenbutnotthegoodones
To be fair, I'm pretty sure that was a joke.
I'm still pissed #rapeallbabies got so much flak. It was just a joke!
Or when you're telling your friend "I'm sick of these fucking black people always stealing" and someone chimes in "Not all black people steal" - Ugh!!! So annoying! It was pretty clear that I was talking about a specific subset of black people who do steal.
Please feel free to link to an example where it was used in a case similar to this so that we can have an actually fruitful conversation about it.
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/08/canmenbetaughtnottorape/
I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for. I could link you to a lot of feminist sources that claim that relate individual acts of rape and violence to "male dominance" or "male entitlement."
Here is a recent statement from William Hague wherein he says that rape used as a weapon of war "should shame all men." Which of course ignores that many of the victims of rape as a weapon of war are men, and many of the rapists women.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-26349198
There is this meme that gets kicked around a lot:
http://upworthy.tumblr.com/post/87030011418/you-say-not-all-men-are-monsters-imagine-a-bowl
There is also this conversation from Real Time with Bill Maher, where Michael Moore at 2 minutes in lays all of the world's problems on men:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNcHys3tjMs
So - what is it, exactly, that you are looking for?
> Which of course ignores that many of the victims of rape as a weapon of war are men, and many of the rapists women.
You want to source this claim? I'll take an explanation if you can't, but I don't think the conversation will go well.
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This is a wonderful analogy, thank you!
I especially like the idea of using a teacher because your complaint implies you expect better from that particular one because that's not how all of them behave.
I'll be using this in conversations from now on. :-)
This is a bullshit analogy. A general statement to a friend, that has a specific example in mind, is fine. Broadcasting that general statement in public where others overhear you without context, opens you up to perfectly justified criticism in return. Believing everyone else should deal with broadcast ignorance because we didnt hear the start of the conversation is arrogance.
There's really no such thing as "jobism" ... sexism however...
You can't really compare criticizing/generalizing a group of people based on their choice to doing the same to what someone was born as.
Well, no analogy is 100% perfect, otherwise it wouldn't be an analogy, it'd just be carefully explaining the concept :P
More seriously, as I pointed out in the latter half of my post, 98% this is used in conversations that are not criticizing all men, and about 100% it's not conversations that are criticizing them for simply being dudes.
I feel like some people have seen complaints about not all men and imagined how they think it's used, as opposed to seeing it actually used.
> More seriously, as I pointed out in the latter half of my post, 98% this is used in conversations that are not criticizing all men, and about 100% it's not conversations that are criticizing them for simply being dudes.
98% of the time that you've seen. You seem like a rational person, so I'd expect you to mostly associate with other rational, like minded people. This means you're very unlikely to run into this scenario from the other side. It's a kind of unavoidable confirmation/selection bias. I refer again to the SMBC comic I linked to earlier.
No like seriously, I keep asking others for examples and I have never gotten one of someone legitimately blaming all men (aside from like 1 or 2 really shitty blogs). Honestly, 99% of the time it's someone mistaking a cultural/societal criticism for a personal insult.
Sure, there are a tiny minority of shitty people who literally hate all men, but it's so negligible as to not be worth bringing up, especially in face of the overwhelming use of the term in my experience.
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> There's really no such thing as "jobism"
Check your STEM-privilege shitlord
> It's difficult to not respond when people talk shit about a group I belong to.
Then be thankful you're not a female. Your head might fucking implode.
> female
Feeeeeeeemale
i know right? Worst thing a woman can be called
What about the womenz?!
Probably because it's a stupid concept. A problem with the way they were talking about men was encountered, and instead of responding maturely, they've decided that it's a good idea to ignore the problems with their discourse and continue full steam ahead, while also mocking those who raise concerns. Really productive stuff.
Honestly, I don't know how anyone is supposed to have a legitimate feminist discussion over twitter. Why anyone expects that a solid discussion of women's issues will occur a platform that only lets you write up to 160 characters is beyond me.
Twitter campaigns aren't meant to be places for informed discussion, no one is going to change their mind or gain insight from a twitter post. They are mean't to rile up your base nothing more.
Like most of the arguments that go under the Gender Wars heading, it's caused by people either not understanding, or completely ignoring, nuances in communication. If a person says, "All men are disgusting rapists," that's an appropriate time to point out that, no, not all men are like that.
However, there are certain situations where a person feels compelled to say that not all men do x or y when that qualification isn't really necessary and can sort of derail the conversation. If people are discussing a specific incident, there's really no need to point out that not all men are like that. (Example: if I was to post an article about a rape on a college campus, there's no implication that I think all men rape, and therefore no need to point out that not all men are rapists).
I just feel like nobody wants to acknowledge the gray area anymore. The bottom line is that sometimes you should speak up and say, "Hey, not all men are like that," and sometimes it's best to leave it alone if it doesn't add to the conversation. But since complicated explanations of when it is an is not appropriate to have a specific dialogue don't fit neatly into hashtag form, we're all fucked.
I totally agree with you. It's a very blurred line (heh), for example I've seen conversations on facebook that start with "Men feel so entitled to X / Men do this really disgusting thing / I can't believe that men will X". Of course the immediate response to that is going to be "hey, that's a broad stereotype and not all of us are like that."
But on the other hand, if someone makes it clear that "I encountered some men today who did X", it's easier to have a discussion because you aren't trying to paint with broad strokes anymore. And it makes the environment more welcoming for men who do want to participate in feminist discussions without feeling like their whole gender is under attack. It's all in the way that you frame it.
I'm pretty sure it's caused by this.
That is amazing.
"Not all men" should be used in response to a claim about all men, and not brought up when it's just individuals doing shitty things.
If the initial shitty thing would be framed as an individual action, no one would bring it up. But it isn't: Elliot Rodger isn't an individual, he's a man, and apparently the representative of an entire gender, or even society.
He didn't exist completely segregated from any other human beings... he participated in social groups and networks that shared his ideas.
You could apply that shit to everyone and anything.
"Oh, this women left her baby in a dumpster... she 'participated in social groups" therefore women are likely to leave their baby in a dumpster" .
Sound stupid? That's because it is.
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The point is that there are many more who don't share his ideas--that he is not representative of his gender.
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Elliot Rodger didn't even have any friends, he knew like a handful of people.
The problem is the campaigns about, say, campus rape, aren't framed as a "some men" thing. Instead, posters are put up putting the onus of not raping on all men, when it is simple fact that the vast majority of men don't need to be told this, and the tiny minority that do won't listen anyway. It serves no other purpose in practice than to antagonize the members of an entire gender who don't take kindly to being called guilty by association. But when someone dares to point this out, they either become shitlords, MRAs, misogynists, or some other label I haven't even heard of yet. Enter division and discord, the only result of emotional appeal-based feminist action (obviously not all feminists... etc.).
And that is the frustrating part. People on the extremes make it impossible to have a meaningful conversation about all of this stuff. There are times we really do need to step up and say, "Hey, not all men are like this," and not be shouted down or dismissed. There's this vocal minority on each side that is so intent on shutting down the opposition that they prevent anybody from making real progress.
I agree and disagree. I'm a feminist dude and I loathe the Don't Be That Guy campaign. I've had people disagree with my stance on it, but I've never been called a misogynist.
Well, people are being called MRAs in this very thread...
Because I think there are some MRAs in this thread?
I dunno MRAs now means anyone who doesn't agree with their viewpoint. They are using it kinda how racists and sexists use the whole "oh go away srs/sjw".
Hey, not all MRAs look for threads to butt in...
Some probably, but I would assume not all. It's the reverse of calling anyone who complains about race a SJW.
Are you basing your opinion that they are MRAs solely on their disagreement with you, opinions you hold, or opinions other feminists hold? Or perhaps a certain campaign or the approach it embodies? Because if you are, you're precisely proving my point.
Mostly based on the fact that I've been in the genderreddits for many years and I recognize names
And their association is relevant because...?
Mind you, I haven't seen you specifically using it as an insult, but you seem to be on the side of people who do.
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I have. I've been told I directly support rape as well for being against those campaigns... hell, I've been told that I've probably raped someone.
I mean, anecdotes and yadayadayada, but you can't deny there's at least a subset of feminists that don't take very kindly to any sort of criticism. Hell, the entire slutwalk movement began because a single police officer suggested that someones method of dress might increase their chance of becoming a victim of sexual assault.
From this comment in the linked thread.
>That is something I never understood to be honest. If you, as women, hate being generalized, why would it be ok to generalize all men? I am black, I don't like being generalized by people because I know what it feels like to be generalized and I don't like it. I am kinda perplexed how the same thing does not apply to women saying bemoaning the "not all men" hashtag.
I actually agree with /u/HeNeverLies4 on this (even though he's an /r/MR user). I'm Jewish, and I take as much abuse for that on Reddit as pretty much anyone else. People shit all over us no matter what we do, individually or collectively, succeed or fail.
Regardless of whether or not you think Jews are an "oppressed" (a really loaded word, BTW) group in the USA or Western cultures, making these kind of cruel generalities about any group is a pretty rotten thing to do. I hold that this is true even if you think the group in question is too "privileged" for your liking.
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It flips both ways, with feminists/SJW mocking the people going "not all men" even in cases like your first one. Its pretty much a circle jerk at this point.
That was precisely my fucking point. That people on both of the extremes need to calm the fuck down and take into account what is actually being said, not whether or not some imaginary buzzword alarm is going off.
I would go a lot further than "sort of" derailing a conversation.
If someone gives you a rebuttal that not all men do something that you said a specific man did, it's a statement that basically means "I think you're attacking an entire gender just by talking about this one thing, and it makes me uncomfortable."
How are you supposed to respond to someone who puts words in your mouth to make you seem like you said something you didn't?
It's a trick question -- you don't. Because there's no reasoning with people who think that someone is a man-hater because they're talking about sexism. Kind of like when someone accuses you of racism for talking about racism.
I agree, and I'm sorry if in my attempt to be diplomatic I minimized that kind of behavior. I just think that people need to be more aware of the spirit in which something is being said. If somebody is talking about the behavior of a specific man, it's stupid to jump in and say "Hey! Not all men do that!" But similarly, if somebody makes a generalization about all men, nobody should be dismissed for pointing out that the generalization is false. I think "not all men" is often misused to shut down a discussion. I also think people will twist the phrase, when it is used in the appropriate context, in order to shut down the person who said it.
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Ever notice how when there's commentary with a bunch of men talking shit, or something crass about women, it goes basically ignored and any woman who says something is "lolfeminist", but as soon as women say something about men here "why are you women so mean? I'm not like that."
An added layer of fun is when women make a joke in a humor-based, women-oriented subreddit and dudes freak out over it.
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I wouldn't say this is talking shit about all men though, just some of the dumb ones.
I thought that seemed pretty obvious but apparently not
I actually don't object to the joke in the thread. I do have a problem with the idea that defending yourself or your gender against sexist generalizations is somehow derailing.
> the idea that defending yourself or your gender against sexist generalizations
Strawman. If I say "men catcall me when I walk down the street" that is not a "sexist generalization" because I am not saying "every man catcalls women all the goddamn time."
So by that same logic saying, "women are always leading me on to get at my money" is not a sexist generalization, and any women who steps in to defend her gender is derailing the conversation.
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But if you say: "Men, you need to stop catcalling"... you then are generalizing.
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not really
"man" is not a culture, its not a country, or a religion, or anything like that. just means you have a dick. its such a basic descriptor that I honestly hold no allegiance to other men like we're some kind of group. we're just biologically similar, and thats where the similarities stop. I don't define my entire existence by my dick, that's vapid.
The smart ass response to this is to point out #notallmen have dicks.
But woman is?
oppressed groups will have a higher sense of community. men as a whole are not oppressed, dont even go there.
So generalized about oppressed groups is not ok but it is ok to do it with priviilged groups?
nobody is generalizing all men, that's the entire fucking point of this thread bro jesus christ
Would you say a statement like "only men harass" is generalizing?
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So, it bears repeating: they totally do. And not just fringe tumblr ones, actual mainstream ones. The leading feminist organization in my country published a brochure titled "Violence has a gender". So when it's insinuated that I am inherently violent, am I allowed to be unhappy about it?
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>bro jesus christ
Read that wrong
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So you believe that women as a whole are oppressed?
yes? things have gotten better but yes. especially abroad.
Are you seriously arguing that men don't have a sense of community because they're not an oppressed group?
our sense of community is the status quo, its whats considered normal. we dominate and rule. there's no need for a special group for men because we control damn near everything as is. its like asking why there's no white history month
Except that men do deal with issues that are specific to them. Even most feminists will agree with this. White people don't have anything that is uniquely a white issue.
> we control damn near everything
Rich people control everything. You could say rich men control everything, but that doesn't really help men in general. There aren't any rules or laws that are in place to benefit men.
> White people don't have anything that is uniquely a white issue.
My sunburn says you're racist.
Hey, that's a great point!
Why is there no white history month? I am guessing feminist conspiracy.
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Did I say anything about defining my entire existence by my dick?
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Except discussing a problem perpetrated mostly by men is not talking shit about men.
Hold up. Are you saying that literally every single time someone disparages a group you belong to you cannot help but defend yourself and only yourself? Really? That's how you feel? Just can't help it, eh? Just need to make sure people know that you are a stand up guy, even if people in your same "group" are not? You wrestle with that every day? Every time? Really?
You're going to hate this, but there are subreddits that exist only to disparage people who shop retail. And people who use tech support. And Americans. And Europeans. And whatever nationality you are. And people who don't hate black people. And people who use Windows or Mac or IOS or Android.
You may want to check them out, and, uh, make sure they know you're not a bad guy. We'll wait.
Doubt his identity is as closely tied to whether or not he prefers Windows or Mac as is it his gender. You typed a bunch of words but made no real point.
Clearly you've never met anyone who uses Apple products.
I'm more than my dick or my Y chromosome or my facial hair. Sorry that's your entire identity, bro!
I assume you're doing one of your things here? It's not really clear this time, because there are people who actually believe every word of what you're saying, and would convey it exactly as you have.
I'm assuming you're being facetious and not a douchebag, for the record.
Lol as much as the men's rights movement hates when feminists decry rape jokes, y'all sure do get uppity about jokes about men defending themselves. It's delicious.
The real joke is the men's rights movement itself, a movement by and for entitled white boys to complain that it's not the 50s anymore and you have to actually do something to be lauded and successful. The real joke is the focus on sperm jacking and defending men from jokes that got stale weeks ago instead of actual issues like the number of minority men on death row or the treatment of male immigrant workers.
The real joke is how seriously the men's rights movement takes itself, when everyone else in the world sees it as a bunch of spoiled college boys circle jerking over grand delusions of being oppressed by some shadowy force. Guess what: y'all are the only people buying it. Everyone else is laughing at you.
I'm in whatever side has the funniest jokes. The men's rights movement isn't funny.
It's depressing.
Oh god, you are being serious. God bless you, I didn't know you had it in you. Shame it had to be this way.
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> It's difficult to not respond when people talk shit about a group I belong to.
I hate it when people make flapjack jokes when you're not around, Freddie. I tell them it's just plain wrong.
NOT ALL FLAPJACKS
(oh look, he even has a little butter hat)
Dude that is just anti-flapjack propaganda from 19th cenutry political cartoons. This is just going to continue flapjack-prejudice!
But seriously, just look at him, dripping in syrup like that. Drenched in it. You know he was asking to be eaten. What right does he have to yell about it when he participates in his own oppression like that?
/pancake wars
edit: oh shit though, do they prefer "breakfast-American" these days? I can't keep up with all the goddam Breakfast Justice lingo.
Obviously you're not a Raiders fan.
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I actually laughed hard at that joke. It's funny when you also picture him flirting with her
It's hilarious how many people didn't get it was a joke and got really up in arms about it.
See: one of the threads about the post
christ TiA users are dumb as rocks. i get confirmation bias, i get that people are gonna see what they want to see, but you see a joke that obvious and decide it's time to have a big dumb debate about what it says about feminism?
> I want to believe this is satire. It is actually an achievement to be this stupid.
yeah dude, they're the stupid one here.
I stopped going there after it was nothing but satire on the front page. They used to have some actual funny content, but now it is them getting up in arms over everything.
As an SRSer, uh, dudebro, it's you who misunderstood on which level that was supposed to be satire by the poster.
She was saying that she'd rather believe that someone made that dumb joke as a satire of feminism.
Not that she didn't get it that it's not real and hopes that that was a satirical point made by a feminist.
3satire5me
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Oh dear god that whole thread blew up even more since I posted this. Check out the full comments for more guys!
I'm not sure what's better, the linked thread or this one. What a shitstorm!
Let's substitute 'blacks' for 'men':
Operator: What is your emergency?
Woman: Please help, some blacks broke into my home.
Operator: Not all blacks are like that. I would not do that.
Hello, Stormfront.
I think the difference here is that people use "men" and "women" to describe as a default, no one does that for race. If I said "a nice man helped me out today" you wouldn't wonder why I felt the need to point out it was a man, or why I didn't say "a nice person helped me out today", that's just kinda how people talk. It'd be strange if I said "a nice black person helped me out today" though. That's why the joke is funny
IDK, might change it to black guys, otherwise the Woman sounds a bit racist.
I was trying to make it gender neutral.
then black people, blacks is frowned upon.
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I have a real experience from the reverse perspective
Me: Yeah, I'm a little upset today because someone grabbed their child while watching me suspiciously, then whispered to another that she "didn't feel comfortable around [my] type of people."
(Well-meaning?) white friend: Oh my gosh! Well, just so you know, not ALL white people are like that! She must be some backwards bumpkin, because regular white people aren't like that at all!
I really hate the "not ALL _____" thing, and I'm sort of glad I'm not the only person whose noticed it.
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How come you always switch it around with oppressed peoples. How about we continue the trend of more powerful folk huh?
Operator: What is your emergency?
Woman: Please help, some white people are burning a cross outside my house
Operator: Not all white people are like that. I would not do that.
We have to switch with the "oppressed people". It's the only way for the perspective to actually be seen as the harmful thing it is. If we were talking to neo-nazi's that were making these sexist claims we would definitely switch it to white people because that is who they care about. Twitter activists, tumblerinas, AMR, SRS, etc. are going to be hyper-sensitive to the use of black people as the substitution, which is the reason for switching "with oppressed peoples".
I'm oppressed, huh? Thanks, white internet lady.
I'm a dude, and like they were talking about black people.
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Das racist
I'm tired of white asshats telling me that white people are 'more powerful folk' than us. Somehow you overlooked that.
Does not make assuming someone was a white women because of responding and username less das racist.
I thanked a white guy for telling me that I'm oppressed. So racist.
You assumed a random stranger was a white girl and was telling you, you we're oppressed.das.racist.
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>Women in our society are placed on a pedestal. Every small contribution to the arts or sciences from women is hailed as a grand achievement. (I realize there have been some grand achievements in physics and medicine from women but they are inarguably a tiny fraction of breakthroughs.) Little boys, on the other hand, are raised from a young age exposed to media portraying them as barbaric rapists and neanderthals.
And little girls are never exposed to gross sexist caricatures of women. Regarding women in the history of scientific research, it's pretty shady to say "why haven't they done more?" when the field was very inaccessible to women for a very long time.
Urgh, further down the thread he pretty much attributes the fact that he has a penis as to why he's better at biochemistry than the lowly women, who are mostly biologists and therefore worse than him. Cant say my vagina ever hindered my career in biochem - but who knows, may be he's right and I could have a professorship and a nobel prize right now if I had a cock.
God that crap makes me angry, even if the dude is probably only some le STEMlord teen - makes the rest of us who are STEM based look bad (which happens enough as it is)
Not to mention that feminists have been saying for years that those kinds of portrayals of men reinforce such behavior in a similar way to the sexist portrayals of women. Like, what?
Exactly. It's really alarming what stereotypes both boys and girls see modeled.
Yeah, but that's implying that the people who make these sorts of comments have ever read anything written by a feminist, and not some screed reacting to what a feminist allegedly did or thought.
And we both know the chances of that actually happening.
I read constantly stuff from a feminist and they write the most bat shit insane stuff.
Here for example is an article from one the most famous feminists in Europe where she defends the facist Marine Le Pen
http://www.emma.de/artikel/wer-ist-marine-le-pen-317041
How do you explain this bullshit ?
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Can't be tumblr only started like 2 years ago \s
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Every time I have ever heard anyone say "Not all men" it has been in response to a generalization of all men.
You're probably running into this phenomenon.
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Oh, come on. It's extremely tame compared to the (highly upvoted) jokes you see about women and feminists every single day on Reddit.
but but my man feels are hurt
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Hell, I laughed. That does seem to be the go-to response on reddit for every women's issue involving men, but on the flip side of things, there's never a qualifier for "not all women" that gets used. Generalizations are made about them daily on this site that no one bats an eye towards.
> Generalizations are made about them daily on this site that no one bats an eye towards.
I don't think anyone can really deny that the defaults are full of sexist people. That being said, plenty of people do argue against generalizations about women. Generalizations about any group are bad and bigoted.
It's not just the defaults, I've seen some blatant generalizations on a fair few subreddits.
I've seen blatant generalizations on every single subreddit I've looked at.
Yeah, pretty much every group gets generalized at least somewhere on reddit.
Those damn Peruvians keep screwing up my Dota games!
Some People argue against them, but they're swiftly labelled "SRS SJW feminazis" and downvoted to oblivion. The defaults are very anti-feminist and are full of "edgy" sexists.
Yeah they do...on TwoX. Outside that sphere, correcting generalizations on women is taboo. And certainly you don't get a hundred+ comments saying "Not all women are like this/that"; you're more likely to get that number of comments with confirming anecdotes.
> Generalizations are made about them daily on this site that no one bats an eye towards.
Nobody? I just don't get it.
"Women are emotional" <- sexist statement that gets a shitredditsays thread.
"Men are violent" <- statement that gets a shitredditsays thread when somebody disagrees with it.
I mean... I really don't get it.
Yeah, you really don't get it. Nobody mentioned SRS here, you did. It's more like...
"Men are violent" -2000+inbox of cries of misandry
"Women are emotional" +2367 and x3 gilds+anecdotes on why that's so truthful.
/reddit.
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Is it just me, or are we getting some weird voting patterns going on in here?
72 upvotes and 472 comments. Thread is getting brigaded.
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I honestly can't tell who I disagree with more. Both sides are stupidly crazy.
Best to fly away today
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I think it's cute that they will use tumblr radfems this way to blanket dismiss feminism, but get their shorts all twisted when it gets turned around to show how ridiculous extremist behavior is on both sides- and it definitely 100% exists on both sides the same way. For every man-hating tumblr feminazi, there is a misogynistic PUA/redpiller who thinks women exist to serve men.
> Defending yourself over something that doesn't apply to you is indicative of guilt. > > … > When every other sub says that women are shallow and materialistic and that they're all cheaters, I don't feel the need to point out that I'm not like that.
Did she just defend herself against something that doesn't apply to her? She must be guilty of actually doing it then.
no, she didnt. she said the exact opposite.
She just pointed out the fact that she's not the kind of person to point out that she's not like that. That would be defending herself against claims that women (or whatever group you want to choose that would include her) points out that they aren't the kind of person to do something.
#MetaNotAllWomen
you're reaching
Boy this thread's gonna be a train wreck.
I'm gonna have to run out to the store for more popcorn. brb
I always appreciate when other guys swoop in to inform me that I ought to be offended when I'm asked to be decent to women.
Funny because the only generalizations of men I see are in the comments by men complaining about them. #notallcomments tho
Aw no I left twitter for a while to get away from /#yesallwomen, /#yesallmen and /#yesallpeople crap. ..well ...least I get some reddit drama.
Honestly /#yesallwomen had great points then /#yesallmen/#notallmen barged in missing the point then the #yesallwomen movement started focusing on the /#yesallmen/#notallmen when they should have ignored it. And /#yesallpeople...I don't know what the point of that one was
Not a good joke imo.
That said, generalizations aren't good but it is humorous to watch a group that would normally deride people for making generalizations rapidly defend their own use of generalizations.
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