Police: Vegas cop killers had anti-government view (news.yahoo.com)

Anarcho_Capitalism

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15 comments submitted at 03:47:08 on Jun 10, 2014 by LibertyAboveALL

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  • quantumfox64
  • 7 Points
  • 04:34:28, 10 June

Idiots.

Anyone with an ounce of sense realises that offensives against the government are bound to fail. Wouldn't expect them to care... They're clearly insane and hardly the type of individuals we would want to encourage in a free society. I don't care how much you hate the government anyway. It's pretty sickening to murder someone ("for a cause"). Bloodthirsty.

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  • Anarchy321
  • 3 Points
  • 06:47:19, 10 June

> Anyone with an ounce of sense realises that offensives against the government are bound to fail.

This was hardly an offensive, these people were idiots.

> I don't care how much you hate the government anyway. It's pretty sickening to murder someone ("for a cause"). Bloodthirsty.

And I don't care how much it bothers you that some(including ancaps) believe in killing aggressors(and not just "for a cause", to defend oneself and others against agents of the state and weaken if not destroy it, though obviously this is in the name of the "cause" of our morals.

> bloodthirsty

I find it horrible that you're disturbed by murder simply for being in the name of a cause, even when that cause is a society in which the monopoly on the initiation of force is eliminated, this making that murder an act of defense.

And frankly this kind of emotional and provocative language is typical amongst the anti-violence crowd here, an it reflects the irrationality of the position itself.

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  • LowReady
  • 5 Points
  • 06:52:17, 10 June

See the top comment in this thread to understand how effective acts of violence against the state are. They've done nothing but create sympathy for state agents.

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  • Anarchy321
  • 0 Points
  • 07:14:31, 10 June

> See the top comment in this thread to understand how effective acts of violence against the state are. They've done nothing but create sympathy for state agents

An example of two idiots, never having done anything to gain the support of the community, they walk into a pizzeria, shoot one cop in the head and the other in the neck, proceed to trespass with loaded firearms at fucking walmart, then proceeds to fire a shot into the fucking air and kill a citizen with a concealed weapon defending the property, only for both of them to die in a suicide pact as police surrounded them minutes later, and the only thing we heard from them was "this is the start of a revolution", with no explanation whatsoever? The community is understandably upset, if this pro police sentiment is your grand example of why violence doesn't work, I say nay sir, this is why stupid people shouldn't be violent: they will fail and lives are at stake. No clear message, no coherent strategy, this was doomed to fail from the start.

EDIT: The support of the people is also at stake when stupid people are violent.

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  • LowReady
  • 2 Points
  • 08:04:07, 10 June

Then give us an example of how "smart" people would carry out an execution of cops which didn't just garner sympathy for cops.

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  • Anarchy321
  • 0 Points
  • 08:30:13, 10 June

That's like asking how Russians might carry out execution of Nazis without gathering the sympathy of their many supporters in Germany.

And as I said before, they didn't have a strategy and they didn't make their message clear.

But if you want my explanation, we were just discussing this on the thread about the Sovereign Citizen attack, go read my comments there. I'll say what I said there, one does not gather the support of people with violence alone; your framing it as "how 'smart' people would carry out an execution" simply ignores other factors which could be exploited to increase resentment against statist forces and support for ancaps..

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  • LowReady
  • 0 Points
  • 08:51:18, 10 June

From my perspective, this is a form of the "we just need to find the right group of people and it will work this time..." approach. Hypothetically it's true, but practically speaking this approach has had a success rate of approximately zero throughout history and given the odds, my preference is to find new tactics.

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  • GonzoNovatore
  • -1 Points
  • 11:23:31, 10 June

Statists will always have sympathy for cops. If the people don't like violence as a tactic then change the minds of the people to accept it, because violence sure as hell works.

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  • GonzoNovatore
  • -1 Points
  • 11:22:27, 10 June

It was effective against two state agents.

Does this attitude not just capitulate to the whims of the state? Governments can spin any action in a negative light. The revolution is always darkened. Look at what they did to the Silk Road and Dark Wallet. They can even make computers and cryptology sinister.

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  • GonzoNovatore
  • 0 Points
  • 11:19:54, 10 June

Are you a pacifist? At what point would you say it someone should kill an occupying or oppressive force?