So r/TiA gets trending and it goes pretty much how you'd expect it to (np.reddit.com)
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229 comments submitted at 10:26:10 on Jun 8, 2014 by Waddupp
So r/TiA gets trending and it goes pretty much how you'd expect it to (np.reddit.com)
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229 comments submitted at 10:26:10 on Jun 8, 2014 by Waddupp
>Except SRS is actually a good community with good people.
Yea, sure. Really. /s
It seems that some people disagree with you.
I really don't know anything about SRS. What's so good/bad about it?
Nowadays almost every comment which mocks SRS is downvoted here.
>What's so good/bad about it?
It's SJW subreddit which tries to mock bigots, racists and stuff but sounds even more bigoted than its targets.
"I am here to speak on behalf of all women/minorities/sexual identies/gender identities/[insert group of people here] and shall be offended on their behalf. I will also assume that everyone I'm talking to is a white heterosexual able bodied cis-male from an affluent background and will project my American-centric view of politics everywhere and anywhere." -- Every SRS post ever
They are very Americentric. Listening to them, one would think that the world consists of North America and a few tiny islands with populations on the verge of extinction. They are dimly aware of Europe, and estimate that there are two, perhaps three countries out there. Asia consists of Iraq, Afghanistan and some other countries too small to mention. Africa is a single country which is poor because of capitalism or something. South America is a peninsula attached to Mexico and contains at least a couple of countries, and possibly Spain. Contrary to popular belief; the Spanish Empire did not exist.
It is also important to note that America is the most backwards country in every regard. Canada is more enlightened, but not as enlightened as some other place, and it is still extremely racist.
It's unfortunate, because I think what they stand for in essence is very noble and I agree with a lot of their aims, but the method of execution is just awful. Sometimes it's like context isn't a thing and everything is in black and white.
The SJW movement as a whole is so abysmal at achieving its goals that sometimes I wonder if they haven't been infiltrated by the likes of Stormfront. The SJW message that "you can't be racist against white people" fits far too well with Stormfront's "anti-racist is a code word for anti-white" mantra.
Canadian here. Sorry for not being as enlightened as we should be; we're trying.
Perpetuating the nice Canadian stereotype is my trigger, shitlord.
"Also females that disagree with me have internalized misogyny."
I'm sorry but this is hilarious. You just made an assumption about people who make assumptions? That just broke the matrix right there.
I actually made an assumption that they make assumptions. I never assumed that based on those assumptions they make I myself can make further assumptions about the person that I assumed makes assumptions. I assume that an assumption about one who makes assumptions wouldn't actually be an assumption. This is because the one who makes assumptions about those who make assumptions is already a person who makes assumptions, therefore it is not an assumption but rather an individual cased study based on the original person who assumed something.
But that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Nice meme.
How I imagine you making this statement
Except when the top two comments on this post are near-identical mockeries.
I guess this one post's comment section can be used to prove anything about SRD.
>It's SJW subreddit which tries to mock bigots, racists and stuff but sounds even more bigoted than its targets.
Hmm...you mean more bigoted than the people using the n-word, hate on women, deny the holocaust, etc?
> Hmm...you mean more bigoted than the people using the n-word, hate on women, deny the holocaust, etc?
No, their targets are usually just people who tell jokes that SRS disapproves of. Last I heard, telling jokes does not equate to denying the holocaust.
It also harbors and kowtows to a small number of PoC and trans* posters who happen to be rather atrocious as people.
>Nowadays almost every comment which mocks SRS is downvoted here.
I love this false victim mentality. You're getting upvoted for crying about how comments like the one you're making are always downvoted. "I'm gonna get downvoted for this, but DAE not like SRS"
Lately the trademark heavy-handed sarcasm of SRS has gotten so next-level that they're upvoting their enemies on SRD. Get with the times.
They mostly are downvoted nowadays. Odds are if you argue that SRD has become more SRS-friendly recently you'll get downvoted and some clever person will reply with "/r/whataboutsrs" or "DRINK!"
Because they aren't "arguments" it's people crying about SRD being literally srs because SRD likes blacks and women.
And SRD likes them so much that it seems like half of the popular posts now just result in a "X is so racist/sexist" circlejerk in the comments.
Unlike SRS, I'm fairly certain we'd stop if they actually quit being sexist/racist, though.
>false victim mentality
That also describes them most of the time. Oh wait i might be getting them confused with radical tumblr feminists.
They preemptively whine about their brave comments getting downvoted?
I'm sorry but that is untrue. I'm not an SRSer by any means but I'll be damned if they are not effective.
Do you understand the amount of fear SRS has instilled in many casual bigots that whenever they say something they know is bigoted or ignorant, they immediately say "SRS in 3... 2... 1..."
The common tactic I see on Reddit is "you're racist for calling me racist" which gets bandied around by anyone who falls under the banner of stereotypical Redditor.
Even on this sub. As long as you don't like bigotry. You're an SJW or some shit. SRS is a circle jerk so I don't think expecting them to be anything other than an echo chamber is fair. Just my 0.00055 BTC
Hah, SRS hasn't changed shit, the fact /r/AdviceAnimals had to ban stormfront puffin is a testament to that fact. All they did was give people a stupid boogeyman to point at and mock while they continue to ignore criticism of their prejudice.
Not sure whether it's SRS or some other factor, but misogyny gets challenged a lot more often now than it did a few years back.
Yeah, people are reacting to reddit's changing demographic. Hopefully it wil lead to something good.
It's a broader cultural change. "Hipster bigotry" has lost a lot of its cachet and feminism, in particular, is a lot more mainstream, compared to a few years ago.
Never said SRS has changed anything. All I said is it has made usually bigotted/edgy redditors second guess their opinions for fear of the life affirming upvotes not going their way. Hilarious really.
So what you're saying is that they fear downvotes because they're linked on SRS? That sounds awfully like brigading...
I agree they did make an impact but not for the better. They just inspired a different side for the gender "war" and the other side is just as annoying. In other words we have two sides that are equally annoying and if you took certain words from their sentences you would have a hard time telling them apart from Stormfront or TRP. Both sides can get extremely hateful. But if you disagree with one side you are automatically from the other side. Both of them think it is impossible to disagree with their side without supporting the other. What a shame since i agree with "SJW's" on alot of things but the way most of them behave i would never align myself with them.
Ehn, again, I don't think they ever set out to change anything. They're just there to piss off people who think they don't need to take into account strangers on the internet because, "it's the internet so grow a thick skin and don't be offended" when infact, the people who whine about others being offended or being too pc are the type of people who have boogified SRS.
I agree though, crazy exists on both sides, but if I had my way, I'd side with SRS over the other side just because the tears are more surplus there. Too lazy to stress myself though.
Well one thing both sides agree on is that they hate reddit. One side hates it for being to "liberal/PC" and the other side hates it for being "Racist/sexist and hateful" and i came to realize that all groups meet up on Reddit so the opinions are all over the map. This is not as big of echochamber as certain other sites/boards both sites use as their bases. But anyway all they did was create more people that don't like then. There are alot of people who joined the TRP/Stormfront just because they got tired of it. I am not sure i would side with anyone right now.
Then there's the most hated side- the 3rd side where we all have to hear about this bullshit constantly because everyone's always crying about SRS.
your mind is warped.
Hell, when I started my first account AA was, well not good but it was more stupid 14 year olds and less stormfront.
Inb4 >implying stormfront isn't 14 year olds
Personally over the last 2 years(I think) that I have been posting here, I think AA has gotten worse, though I could be wrong. I think some of the puffins were way worse then anything I saw two years ago. Though since I started looking in SRD I have been exposed to AA more then I was back then, as I unsubbed fairly soon after joining.
There's a /u/Violentacrez sized hole in your post.
I was under the impression that was mostly Adrien Chen, what did SRS do for it?
so you're admitting srs doxxes?
interesting....
I think you're mistaking baiting for fear.
Nah. It's more like paranoia. The amount of times I've seen edgy comments with the edit about SRS downvoting them is hilarious.
EDIT: Hi srs! :)
EDIT2: looks like I've pissed off SRS!
leave.
Lel, fear of what exactly? Getting shrieked at by some whiteknights and shrews on the internet?
> It's SJW subreddit which tries to mock bigots, racists and stuff but sounds even more bigoted than its targets.
I am sorry but I cannot grasp how you could look at SRS and think "yup, this is more bigoted than the comments they're linking to!" Like, how is that even close to true?
Because it's bunch of white dudes with a savior complex who circlejerk over what are often jokes to feel they are morally above the rest of "bigoted ol' Reddit".
That drama with the guy whose wife cheated on him with a black dude and gave birth to a dark-skinned baby was also pretty eye-opening. The majority of SRS said he should stay with his wife and take care of it, automatically assuming the black dad wasn't going to be involved and that the baby needed its "white savior".
And yet black dad jokes are racist.
Yup, that was one of the most racist things I have actually seen on Reddit.
> Because it's bunch of white dudes with a savior complex
OR they earnestly disagree with the things being said.
> who circlejerk over what are often jokes
Eh, I don't like the "just jokes" defence. It implies that anything someone says that falls under the broad banner of "humour" can have no deeper meaning, and can't be tied to trends and prejudices and stuff, which I disagree with.
> to feel they are morally above
You do realise this is SRD, right?
> the rest of "bigoted ol' Reddit".
But reddit obviously does have a bigotry problem.
> That drama with the guy whose wife cheated on him with a black dude and gave birth to a dark-skinned baby was also pretty eye-opening. The majority of SRS said he should stay with his wife and take care of it, automatically assuming the black dad wasn't going to be involved and that the baby needed its "white savior".
Didn't see that, but it does sound kinda shitty.
> And yet black dad jokes are racist.
I mean, they are.
>OR they earnestly disagree with the things being said.
Which says nothing against them having a savior complex. You'd think that they would have more women/minorities if such groups routinely gave a shit about what SRS tends to bitch about, no?
>Eh, I don't like the "just jokes" defence. It implies that anything someone says that falls under the broad banner of "humour" can have no deeper meaning, and can't be tied to trends and prejudices and stuff, which I disagree with.
Or it implies that someone isn't actually a racist just because they say something in the obvious context of a joke. Context. That thing that SRS tends to not care about.
>You do realise this is SRD, right?
Your point?
>But reddit obviously does have a bigotry problem.
Reddit is made up of thousands of different subreddits, each one with their own "agenda". AdviceAnimals is not Reddit. For every post I see that supposedly exemplifies Reddit's "bigotry" I see several where actual bigots are downvoted and disagreed with to all hell, and dozens that have nothing to do with racism, sexism or whatever.
>I mean, they are.
No, they aren't. Race jokes aren't automatically reflective of a racist undertone.
> Which says nothing against them having a savior complex. You'd think that they would have more women/minorities if such groups routinely gave a shit about what SRS tends to bitch about, no?
Well, they have a higher percentage of women and minorities than reddit as a whole. Reddit is just very white and male. Besides, women and minorities have a wide range of views on these subjects, too. I don't think anyone's denying that.
> Or it implies that someone isn't actually a racist just because they say something in the obvious context of a joke.
SRS definitely engages in hyperbole quite a bit, I agree with that. My view is that those jokes can be harmful regardless of the intent of the speaker.
> Context. That thing that SRS tends to not care about.
I agree with this, to an extent. One of my major gripes about SRS is their blind spot for irony in humour.
> Your point?
There's a large element of moral superiority to this subreddit, as well. And cringepics, circlebroke, TiA, etc.
> Reddit is made up of thousands of different subreddits, each one with their own "agenda". AdviceAnimals is not Reddit.
Any subreddit of a significant size that isn't strictly moderated will inevitably have racist/sexist/whatever comments getting upvoted. That, to me, displays a problem with the site overall.
> For every post I see that supposedly exemplifies Reddit's "bigotry" I see several where actual bigots are downvoted and disagreed with to all hell, and dozens that have nothing to do with racism, sexism or whatever.
Again, the fact that the former exists in any significant amount shows that there is a problem.
> No, they aren't. Race jokes aren't automatically reflective of a racist undertone.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree here.
>Well, they have a higher percentage of women and minorities than reddit as a whole. Reddit is just very white and male. Besides, women and minorities have a wide range of views on these subjects, too. I don't think anyone's denying that.
Assuming that's true, at the core it's still largely a bunch of white dudes jerking themselves over how racist Reddit is. If a large portion of black people would disagree with your stance on a joke that is supposedly racist towards black people, then on what standing do you have to call it racist?
>SRS definitely engages in hyperbole quite a bit, I agree with that. My view is that those jokes can be harmful regardless of the intent of the speaker.
Any impact that jokes would have on any issues of race, sex, whatever is so inconsequential that even seeing it as a problem is foolish. So my joke offended some people. Big whoop. They'll live.
>There's a large element of moral superiority to this subreddit, as well. And cringepics, circlebroke, TiA, etc.
I mean this subreddit tends to go on the SJW slant, but there is an inherent difference between subs that are largely designed to mock others, and a sub that is such an echo-chamber that posting a dissenting opinion is literally a bannable offense.
>Any subreddit of a significant size that isn't strictly moderated will inevitably have racist/sexist/whatever comments getting upvoted. That, to me, displays a problem with the site overall.
And that's the majority of the content? Because even when the puffin was around, the vast majority of AA, the supposed poster child for displaying Reddit's general bigotry, was largely innocuous.
>Again, the fact that the former exists in any significant amount shows that there is a problem.
Except it's not a significant amount. You only believe it is because you spend a large amount of time in subs that are dedicated to finding such comments. I may as well say that all feminists are SJWs because I spend a lot of time on TiA.
A bunch of bigots all dealing with reaction formation.
So much of SRS is based off of, quite frankly, innocuous jokes.
They can get all mad about the supposed societal consequences but at the end of the day, they are mostly terrible jokes on reddit.
> They can get all mad about the supposed societal consequences but at the end of the day, they are mostly terrible jokes on reddit.
I would say those jokes can have societal consequences, as well as being a reflection on society. I mean, if 1,000 people upvote a joke that hinges on the stereotype that all black people steal, that's 1,000 people who a) are aware of that stereotype, and b) are indirectly adding to it, by rewarding someone for invoking it.
On top of all of that, I imagine that some black people would be put off by a website that makes pejorative jokes about their race (jokes that often mimic centuries of serious oppression). And I think that sucks, because I like reddit, and I don't want a site that I enjoy and spend a lot of time on to present that sort of image.
>jokes can have societal consequences
care to share any kind of example? I can't think of any joke that could literally pervade the vague 'society' that you don't even bother to specify.
> I mean, if 1,000 people upvote a joke that hinges on the stereotype that all black people steal, that's 1,000 people who a) are aware of that stereotype, and b) are indirectly adding to it, by rewarding someone for invoking it.
fair point, but reddit fuzzes votes after awhile, so it is difficult to actually show the link between upvotes and 'bigotry'.
It doesn't fuzz enough to cause confusion about bigotry being massively upvoted.
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They do have consequence, but it is so marginal and insiginifcant to actual causes of racism, misogny, or whatever they are bitching about this week, in the real world that their righteous indignation is so uncalled for.
I mean, there are many things people take seriously that aren't earth-shatteringly consequential. That doesn't mean doing so is valueless.
Anyway, I was never claiming that SRS was some grand force of social improvement.
> Anyway, I was never claiming that SRS was some grand force of social improvement.
So we come back to what SRS is, which is nothing more than a pat on the back for every subscriber.
"Look at me everyone, I'm not a racist/misogynist/xenophobe."
Good for you, that's the fucking standard.
> So we come back to what SRS is, which is nothing more than a pat on the back for every subscriber.
I'm sure different people get different things out of SRS. I think that, for a lot of people, it's a place to vent.
> Good for you, that's the fucking standard.
I think SRSers would agree with you on that.
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Because racism against black people is just jokez and having a good time but turning that racism against white people in order to reveal the idiocy of racist thinking is just GOING TOO FAR
"i'm going to try and take the moral high ground while doing exactly the same thing as you!"
when in history has that ever worked
> I really don't know anything about SRS. What's so good/bad about it?
It's a surprisingly small subreddit with not much particularly good or bad about it. It gets like two posts a day that are heavily moderated. When newcomers go there they are usually surprised by the level of moderation. That's all that's particularly controversial about it.
I don't get why everyone hates /r/ShirtRedditSays. We're a really nice community who just want to celebrate all the funny things reddit says!
SRS is a circlejerk designed as a safe space for people to vent about the nastier aspects of reddit.
People catalog highly upvoted bigoted posts and complain about them in a humorous way, usually with a lot of hyperbole.
Reddit generally dislikes SRS because it calls them out on shit that a lot of users don't view as being 'offensive', due to the fact that most here don't embrace social justice or political correctness. Some also go on to misunderstand the 'circlejerk' aspect of the sub and think that the hyperbole is genuine hatred for groups like straight, white men.
Aw, such a special snowflake.
So brave
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As opposed to the incredibly original snowflake comment I'm sure you were equally upset by.
You're daft if you think the hatred behind the comments on SRS isn't 100% sincere.
wait do you really believe that SRS is an anti-white movement or something? I thought people were just being hyperbolic when they said that.
I believe the hatred towards "oppressors" is very real, and I use the term with an eye roll because no oppression is necessary to earn the title. I believe that SRS creates an "us VS them", "good VS bad" mentality and anyone who dares question that mentality is immediately dismissed. I believe that it's members use the circlejerk excuse to say things as shitty or shittier than the people they mock.
If you really think it's all one big joke then I would suggest you take a step back and read further into the histories of the people who post there and the people who get posted. But you probably won't.
Well I post there, so I know it isn't...
No, at best you know YOURS isn't. You cannot catagorically speak for the other users, who have no issue with saying some terrible things that sound an awful lot like the things coming out of racist/homophobic sources, just with a different noun.
And would you care to explain how horrible of a person I am for making a rather tame joke, an obvious joke at that, and after it was linked in SRS, being banned for trying to say "it was just a joke?"
SRS users have engaged in perfectly reasonable debates with other users in planned 'ama' type threads before. There are also subs specifically dedicated to reasonable discussion which are linked by SRS. SRS is a circlejerk. I know it is because I've been there for a long time.
We may have different ideas of what constitutes as 'tame'... but apart from that, even if you weren't being malicious (I'm sure you weren't trying to be) your joke can still hurt people. And even if it doesn't, it perpetuates a culture that normalizes making oppressed groups a punchline. This should always be avoided. We should always aim to 'punch up' with comedy, not down.
>your joke can still hurt people.
And yet SRS considers themselves above such a possibility. Jokes can hurt except when I'm the one joking. Hypocrites.
I've explained this elsewhere, but this is easily countered.
The difference is that one is 'punching down', as in the joke is made at the expense of an oppressed group (usually by someone with privilege), the other 'punches up' - they are jokes made by the oppressed, aimed at the oppressors.
It's the same reason misogyny and misandry are not comparable, while both obviously 'exist'.
It's the reason why racism towards people of colour and 'reverse-racism' aimed at whites are not comparable, while both obviously 'exist'.
It's about historical positions of power and how this effects institutionalized/normalized oppression and privilege.
It's bullshit. People aren't defined by groups, you can't say "You're white, so that's +50 oppressor points, but female, so that's -20, so you can get carte Blanche to mock anyone at or above 30 points." The privilege Olympics aren't real and don't excuse you from being a shitty person.
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You make me want to vomit my intestines up with the constant stream of bullshit being emitted from your account. You're like Tumblr on steroids. No, make that oestrogen.
That's no good.
I wouldn't know, I don't like tumblr.
SRS is a place where people who are actually suffering from various forms of discrimination are pulled into developing unhealthy complexes that jerks like you have. There is nothing "safe" about SRS.
SRS is actually mostly white, mostly straight and mostly male.
It just happens to be filled with people social justice allies who are there to support genuinely oppressed groups.
People who don't follow the rules, in place to give these people a pleasant experience as well as fall in line with general reddit rules, are banned. This makes it a safe space.
>SRS is actually mostly white, mostly straight and mostly male.
Yes, like I said, jerks like you with complexes pulling in people who actually suffer from problems you claim to fight against and damaging their mental health.
>It just happens to be filled with people social justice allies who are there to support genuinely oppressed groups.
If by "support" you mean "fuck them up so badly it will take a therapist a long time to help them recover from the unhealthy mindsets and ineffective coping strategies that SRS practices" then sure. I'm gay, I know what a safe space is like. SRS isn't it.
Up to you to feel that way, everyone there happens to disagree. In fact, most social justice advocates are on my side full stop.
Not sure why calling me a jerk is really necessary to be honest though.
This would probably be a better argument if it weren't for the craziness that runs rampant through the SRS sister subs. SRS is a deliberate circlejerk, the others not so much.
And from my experience the 'sister subs' are far less jerky... Obviously some of it leaks in, because it's mostly the same community.
The downvotes you get for this comment are a perfect illustration of how terrible SRD is now that SRS floods the subreddit every day because the SRD mods love letting them create circlebroke circlejerks here. What a joke this sub has become.
Have you tried crying more?
Is everybody who enjoys mocking racists and sexists an SRSer now?
Nope just most of the SRSers like you that brigade this sub and flip votes in all of the social justice threads that get posted here every day.
-88 karma.
Troll.
I'm not an SRSer, I don't like SRS. I just don't like bigots, most people who don't like racism and sexism aren't SRSers.
/r/circlebrokecirclejerk ?