Stormfront puffin declares black people as the most racist. OP reveals his elaborate ruse when he hits the frontpage. Anger. (np.reddit.com)
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155 comments submitted at 03:28:30 on May 20, 2014 by machine345
Hmm, so as long as you only call white people the most racist, you're not a racist?
I certainly hope this mindset doesn't spread outside of north america. A lot of cancerous ideas getting around simply because they live/lived there.
You're missing the forest for the pine cone seed.
Do educate me.
It's not my job to educate you, shitlord! J/K. Give me a bit, I'm watching 24.
The short answer is that individual and even local racism is nothing compared to systematic institutionalized racism. Are blacks worse at this or are blacks shitty at that? YES!!!! Because white Americans held them back for hundreds of years and in many ways still need to catch up. 50 years of "freedom" does not = 400 years of slavery.
woah, woah bro. Could we not roll with the "are blacks worse at this or are blacks shitty at that?" That implies a level of homogeneity in "blacks" that at least as racist as the "black people are the real racists amirite" guy. Hell, at least the "black people are racist" guy has a point, however dumb or unnecessary it is to say it.
I mean, look, I'm a black guy. Got the dark skin and large dick to prove it. (sadly, not true about the dick) But my parents went to college, and their parents went to college. Perhaps the average black guy is disenfranchised due to generations of poverty, but I'm not really that guy and it's mildly annoying when people pretend that black people like me don't exist.
> mildly annoying when people pretend that black people like me don't exist.
Mildly?
50 years, lol. Just look at LA in the late 80s, early 90s. Instutionalized racism didn't dissappear with the Civil Rights Act of 64 and the Voting Rights Act (which was recently gutted) of 65.
In parts of this country blacks were still put a disadvantage just a couple of decades ago.
And yet people on this site still bang on about how slavery ended 200 years ago and blacks and whites should be equal in all statistics and the only reason, blacks are on average poorer or incarcerated more is because they are somehow worse than whites. It's disgusting
>50 years, lol. Just look at LA in the late 80s, early 90s.
I wrote this before you responded. I was there I lived it
http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/2601pw/stormfrontpuffindeclaresblackpeopleasthe/chme646
This is why I said 50 years of "freedom" The quotes meant that I realized it was all a farce.
yeah, but a black person was rude to him once!
I've experienced a bit of actual racism as a white man. Now. It may add up to 1 year year of my 37 year life so I don't wish to compare. I grew up in Los Angeles and did the whole Rodney King riot thing. Then I moved to Arizona and have had to deal with Latinos who are racist. I've got so many stories I could tell, but they are ~1 years worth of experiences for a black person my age. I was in L.A. When they had forced busing. They bussed in kids from the inner city to outlying schools. Color didn't fuck that up, culture and economics fucked that up. Mixing families that make 15,000 a year with those that make 100,000 a year is a very BAAAAAD idea.
> Mixing families that make 15,000 a year with those that make 100,000 a year is a very BAAAAAD idea.
It's insanely depressing that this is the lesson you took out of your lived experiences. Also, having lived in Arizona myself, if you think you were inconvenienced BY LATINOS in Arizona to a degree that merits commenting about it on the internet (as an argument to defend The White Man's Birden) then you seriously are living your life with blinders on. A lot of us have been called Honkey (I grew up in the South, in areas predominantly black), and gringo (I lived in Phoenix, areas that were predominantly hispanic). I've been bullied for it, shoved around, and then some for being white/gay. But I'm not so completely lacking in understanding about the world around me that I think that the few minor inconveniences due to my race mean that as a white guy, things are ANYWHERE NEAR as bad for me just because I'm white. Get a clue. I've been the minority white kid in many places all across the country but I'm not gonna claim it's so tough out there for white guys just because I experienced one one-hundredth of what your average black or hispanic American kid will get in his lifetime.
The mixing was in California and It was both blacks and whites. I spent my first 2 years of high school in Ca and the 2nd 2 in Az. So that was not the lesson I took. I was talking about my life in Ca. during the Rodney King L.A. riots of 1992 Anyhow. The state stopped forced busing and appologized. Look it up.
As for everything else you said, it was in response to something I did not say. I am sorry
> Get a clue. I've been the minority white kid in many places all across the country but I'm not gonna claim it's so tough out there for white guys just because I experienced one one-hundredth of what your average black or hispanic American kid will get in his lifetime.
Please re-read what I wrote. I expressed this and admitted this.
Edit. For lack of communication, we are in agreement. sorry.
I'm inclined to think nicely of you, so I'll engage this. It sounds like more of a class issue - and yeah, color and class are entwined in this country. I don't know, I'm a rich white lady, but I accept that other people have had hardship and that sucks no matter the cause. I'm sorry if you thought I was mocking you/people like you.
I'm a white dude, As whit as they come. I did not mean to attack you, I was just venting. My apologies. My comment was not a response, but a addition or reaction to your comment. I thought nothing but good things about your comment.
I'm sorry. It's late. I'm watching TV and trying to reddit at the same time.
I didn't feel attacked at all. Just trying to be kind whenever possible. I hope you enjoy your TV.
What a pleasant exchange. :)
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>Mixing families that make 15,000 a year with those that make 100,000 a year is a very BAAAAAD idea.
Completely disagree. Essentially you're advocating for the existence of ghettos here.
>50 years of "freedom" does not = 400 years of slavery.
Not really correct, the African American populace in america could have arisen from 50 years of slavery and it would be just as bad off (had there been no slavery for the same amount of time as today). Its about the generations, their families. White families have the advantage of other family members and their histories, and their ideas, and their money, their aspirations, and where they live. Compare this to the black population and you will find a lot of apathy, a lot who live in poorer neighborhoods, a lot with different aspirations and different families, less money in their family, and just different histories altogether. The feelings of your family, how well off your family is, their influence and in many ways, affluence gets past on to you. If we wait long enough, more generations of black children, with more optimistic outlooks, much less institutionalized racism, things will probably be better. This however, is only one part of the historical disadvantage, racism from every one else (not just whites) also hurts the group, and has existed extensively for far longer than slavery has been gone in america.
I don't really believe in "institutionalized racism, in my lifetime at least. It seems like some way of blaming problems on something when real racism is literally not present any more. The mere comment i made is evidence enough that not even a perceived HINT of racism is allowed.
I think all our problems can be blamed on direct, tangible, provable causes and nothing conspiratory like "institutionalized racism.
What I don't like is this double standard that seems to be in place. A double standard that anyone can recognize, but still see it as "okay", so long as you blame it on "The man", lurking in the shadows of the government. Making sure select peoples "stay oppressed" and that makes it alright.
But this apparently makes me a biggot to even say. Because I cannot see why people who went through hell, much like every person of color, creed and disposition in all of human history, should still be a scape goat for all of our personal problems today.
Everyone and anybody can and are jerks, bullies and monsters. It's just hard for people to recognize when "racism drama" comes into play.
> I don't really believe in "institutionalized racism, in my lifetime at least. It seems like some way of blaming problems on something when real racism is literally not present any more.
I work with young people, primarily young people of color. One of my duties is to run peer groups for them during which we discuss all sorts of things; often I will start with a topic, but the conversation naturally wends its way toward what's on their minds, and what affects them on a day-to-day basis.
I promise you, these are not people that are caught up in racialized politics, or theory. But the sort of things they experience in their day-to-day lives, it's not convenient excuses for them. These days there may not be as much overt racism, but the slow, lifelong burn takes an incredible toll.
I'd love it for you to come to one of our groups and listen to them, I don't see how anybody with an open mind could sit in that group and tell me that racism is dead.
I guess that's my problem, ive never experienced nor seen it. But i think I believe you, just hard to take things at face value. I've grown up to want evidence for things and not just "hearsay" from 3rd, 4th and 5th hand accounts from online SJW's (where issues of racism literally only show up in my life, online)
But i dont think ill ever accept the double standards that go along with it. The idea that you can or cannot do this based on the issues of the past.
"nigga" (totally not evolved from a southern slur, intentionally said that way)
Racial slurs thrown around by black people, at not just white people, but anyone they feel, etc etc.
Apparently me not folding in with the hivemind of society makes me a problem. "A troll".
If I am understanding correctly and you are constructing your idea of the racial experience mainly from online forums, you aren't getting anything close to an accurate picture. None of this is real life. FAR from it. That's why I mentioned how valuable it can be to have the experience of being with and listening to people.
As far as the double standards, it's not whether it's a double standard or it isn't. There's more to it than that. If you're really interested, my advice would be to find a place where you can have these discussions without all the baggage. If you hang around reddit, you'll likely just end up digging yourself deep in a foxhole.
I'm sorry but institutionalized racism is when a white felon has a better chance of getting a job than a qualified black person who is not a felon. That's such a mind blowing fact huh?
Study
I'm sure it's more comfortable for you to live in the world you've created in your mind but it's not the real one. It is harder in this society to be non-white and that is a culture that has been created over centuries by white people.
I don't care if you're fighting for the equality of non-white people and are the most racially tolerant person to walk the earth. If you are white you have statistically benefited from it. So you don't get to question if racism exist.
Am I racist? No of course not, you don't sound like it either. But have I benefited from being white at the expense of people who are not? Of course I have. So I don't get to call into question the experiences of people who are non-white. And I'd encourage you to change your mind and admit that you are privileged in ways others are not. That's not admitting you're racist or anything, that is acknowledging a fact.
>I don't really believe in "institutionalized racism, in my lifetime at least.
Yeah, personally I don't believe giraffes exist, I've never seen one!
I took this Implicit Association Test developed by Harvard regarding racism, and I found I'm subconsciously slightly racist. Which rather shocked me to be honest, since I despise racism.
Now, since I'm a reasonably intelligent white guy and it's people like me who make up 85% of the managers in big companies, it goes without saying that institutionalized racism is actually a thing.
It's not a matter of what you believe, it's a matter of fact.
>But this apparently makes me a biggot to even say.
No, it makes you a biggot because there have been countless studies on this and you conveniently ignore all of them.
>Which rather shocked me to be honest, since I despise racism.
So you need a test to tell you that you're a racist? What next, you think I.Q tests will gauge your intelligence? This is the only part that makes my jaw drop.
My own father is an illegal immigrant who gained citizenship through my mother. He owns his own construction company of sorts, taking week long contracts when he can building frames to houses. He picks up workers from home depot, shorts them on pay and on one occasion, according to him, ripped off one of them by not paying them.
The only color business knows is green.
And yes, of course i am a biggot, there it went.
> I think all our problems can be blamed on direct, tangible, provable causes and nothing conspiratory like "institutionalized racism.
TIL jim crow laws and "separate but equal" don't real
> in my lifetime at least
I've studied history in middle school and have basic reading comprehension as well.
so because we did not have institutionalized racism during your lifetime, it's impossible for the effects of past institutionalized racism to linger today. gotcha.
also i missed this before in your original response but lol @
> It seems like some way of blaming problems on something when real racism is literally not present any more.
you must still be in middle school if you think real racism is literally not present anymore.
Sounds as if you're agreeing with a point with out being disingenuous. But the sarcastic tone still lingers.
But no, i do accept that blacks and maybe even Hispanics are in an adverse position today because of the wrongs of the past. But it doesn't help that case since according to some, whites are just as, if not poorer in numbers than blacks.
Everyone has got motherfucking problems, just some get a convenient blaming mechanism. Not agreeing with your ideals definitely makes you angry to some degree though, try talking with out the tone. I doubt you're capable though.
> Everyone has got motherfucking problems, just some get a convenient blaming mechanism.
TIL being a victim of racism is convenient
if you agree past institutionalized racism has lingering effects, maybe you shouldn't be so upset at people simply pointing that out
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>Hmm, so as long as you only call white people the most racist, you're not a racist?
Holy shit you're completely missing the point.
Asking shit like "Which race is the most racist, black people or white people?" is exactly the racist part. No matter what you'll answer, you'll always be a fucking racist, because you'll always assume there are differences between people purely based on their skin colour.