A user posts a set of cringeworthy messages to /r/cringepics. After one user suggests /r/creepyPMs, questions arise. Is /r/creepyPMs really run by SRS? Is your mum run by SRS? Are gay men not actually men? Find out now! (np.reddit.com)
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73 comments submitted at 11:40:25 on May 19, 2014 by KiIroywasHere
The problem with /r/creepyPMs is much the same as the problem with /r/offmychest. Both subs are run with a "feelings friendly" attitude and any comments that dare question the OP are deleted. Push the issue and you're banned, do anything to go against the pro-social justice slant of the sub and you're banned.
It doesn't matter if /r/creepyPMs is run by SRS or not, it's run by pro-SJW mods that don't allow anyone to question the OP and/or try to defend the "creep." In that respect, it's a very one-sided sub.
The major issue I have with a sub like /r/creepyPMs is that there's no "proof" to go along with the screenshots. We don't know if the creepy messages were normal messages, taken out of context in order to sound creepy, or even staged between friends.
I get the impression that they're just trying to make the sub a welcoming place for the people who provide the content. No content = no sub
You can be welcoming and still encourage discussion that isn't one-sided.
What's the one side? The non-creeps?
The one-sided discussion is assuming that the OP is totally innocent and received the PM out of the blue, without provocation. Any attempt to question that, no matter how innocuous is deleted and will often get you banned from the sub.
But you have no way of knowing that until the OP provides the other messages, which may or may not exist, or until the other party shows up (very unlikely). So what you're asking for is the right to say: "You provoked this, but I don't have any evidence to support my assertion. I just find it unbelievable, because in my experience people lie about things like this. Do you have any evidence to convince me that you are not lying to me?"
> So what you're asking for is the right to say: "You provoked this
I want the right to question the poster about the PM that they are posting. As I said in another message, if the OP posts a PM where the "creep" asks for anal sex seemingly out of the blue I want to be able to ask the OP if he/she talked to the OP about anal sex (or sex in general) prior to getting the message in question.
I also want to be able to comment on the "creep" by discussing their reasons for sending the message in a non-negative way. Currently if you so much as hint at defending the "creep" your posts are deleted and/or you are banned from the sub.
> As I said in another message, if the OP posts a PM where the "creep" asks for anal sex seemingly out of the blue I want to be able to ask the OP if he/she talked to the OP about anal sex (or sex in general) prior to getting the message in question.
Shouldn't the fact that OP decided a given message is worthy of a /r/CreepyPMs submission be enough? Identities are protected, so even if it's an exaggeration from OP's part, no real harm has been done, really.
> Shouldn't the fact that OP decided a given message is worthy of a /r/CreepyPMs submission be enough?
No. What's creepy to one person isn't creepy to another. Plus there's the fact that those screenshots could have been taken out of context.
Example:the entire conversation up to that point could have been about anal sex with a cherry picked screenshot to make one party look like a "creep."
Or the whole thing could have been staged.
So? If the names are blocked out then nobody's reputation is harmed. And if you're worried about people lying for precious, precious karma, then take the matter to /r/karmacourt where I'm sure they'll treat your concerns with all the gravity and seriousness it deserves.
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That's not really in the scope of the sub, I suppose. Why do you automatically assume the posters "provoke" creepy PMs?
> Why do you automatically assume the posters "provoke" creepy PMs?
I don't automatically assume that but I'd like the ability to question the OPs to get a bit more detail.
As other people are saying, that's not really the purpose of the sub. It's not /r/creepyPMinvestigation
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> I want the right to question the poster about the PM that they are posting.
lol
> I also want to be able to comment on the "creep" by discussing their reasons for sending the message in a non-negative way.
see the problem is you are asking the internet for rights to things about stuff. that never goes well.
> see the problem is you are asking the internet for rights to things about stuff. that never goes well.
Especially here on Reddit where the mods are gods and users have no real rights.
you don't "get" rights from an online social media business, you get the OPTIONAL PRIVILEGE to participate in their networking framework.
>mods that don't allow anyone to question the OP and/or try to defend the "creep." In that respect, it's a very one-sided sub.
Cause that's not what the subreddit is for. It'd be like coming into SRD and complaining about how much you despise drama and popcorn all the time. Or going to /r/leagueoflegends just to advertise /r/DotA2.
>The major issue I have with a sub like /r/creepyPMs is that there's no "proof" to go along with the screenshots. We don't know if the creepy messages were normal messages, taken out of context in order to sound creepy, or even staged between friends.
Do they need proof though? People are there to laugh at anonymous messages. I really don't see how proof would improve anything.
I also see no reason to doubt them. I've received my fair share of what-the-fuck private messages.
It's not like the creeps are on trial. Unless they're compelled by their own idiotic creepery to come on reddit and dox themselves.
>Cause that's not what the subreddit is for. It'd be like coming into SRD and complaining about how much you despise drama and popcorn all the time.
That's not really a good analogy. It's more like posting a comment saying that there isn't actually any drama in what the OP posted, which happens all the time.
... And is often laughed down by people here or otherwise dismissed?
> Cause that's not what the subreddit is for.
I think that discussion of the motivations behind the message are relevant. I also think that people should be able to question the OP about their involvement in the message.
For instance, if someone posts a screenshot of a partial conversation where the "creep" is seemingly asking for anal sex out of the blue we should be able to ask the OP if they discussed anal sex with the "creep" beforehand. However, currently that type of comment would be deleted, even though it's relevant to the message.
>Do they need proof though?
I think so. It's way too easy to post messages either taken out of context or created for cheap, easy karma.
The main point is that much like in other social justice run subs, there's very little room for discussion if that discussion takes the form of questioning or an opposing viewpoint.
Because, as we all now, karma is an extremely important zero-sum issue and giving away upvotes and five minutes of attention freely could very well ruin one's life. Or something.
You're post is in the positive, stop stealing the karma points that should rightfully be mine!
Not sure why I am replying because replying to you means a direct flight to /r/SubredditDramaDrama but here it goes anyway because you seem REALLY invested in your opposition of how a subreddit with SPECIFIC rules is run.
I am not sure why you have an objection to how creepypms is run other than you seem to oppose EVERYTHING based on your postings in SRD.
If how they are a safe, support group concerns you much, open up your own creepypms discussion subreddit so the OP ~~can be on trial or~~ be asked questions. They have rules, you don't like said rules, write TL;DR on why you don't like it and how YOU think it should be, and then what happens? Certain subs have rules, and you don't like said rules, so don't go to said sub. Many people are very happy to have a safe space and would like to not be questioned ~~put on trial~~ by someone like yourself(although those posts would end up in SRD daily so lots of popcorn)
The sub requires that all names be blocked out so no witch hunts. Do you want proof of it like an AMA? Again, start your own sub with those rules if it is such an issue.
If your issue is cheap, easy karma, Creeypms doesn't have much karma compared to AA or the other huge subs where there are actual bullshit stories shitposted daily for huge karma and in the end, karma is meaningless.
Anyone can start a subreddit, so why not start one with your own rules instead of TL;DR on why it's not run correctly. Who knows, maybe you were a featured creep one time.....
EDIT: I guess I am not as invested on whether posts are true or not considering all the shitposting stories that goes on in reddit as a whole shrugs
Let me sum up your response so others don't have to read it...
>blah, blah, blah. Something, something, make your own subreddit.
You know, you can have perfectly valid criticisms of an existing subreddit without wanting to start your own copycat subreddit.
I personally believe that if you're going to post something on reddit, regardless of the subreddit that your post should be open for criticism and questioning. If you're going to post a "creepy" PM then people should be able to ask you reasonable questions about that PM, as long as they don't cross the line into becoming creepy themselves.
Asking about prior conversations with the "creep" is not creepy, nor is asking for details about the PM.
Frankly, if someone is so emotionally distraught over a PM they received that they can't answer a few questions about the PM then they probably shouldn't be posting it on Reddit. Instead they should be seeing professional psychological help.
Eh, I didn't expect any understanding from you considering I have you RES tagged from your own post that said:
> He said that it's not possible for him to be raped, and the women in his life are "smart enough" to not be raped
So there is only so much one can say to a person who believes that...
EDIT: I enjoy how your idea of a discussion is listening to you while dismissing what others say, guess that is why you are featured so much in /r/SubredditDramaDrama '
Does discussing unsolicited penis photos really mean:
> Frankly, if someone is so emotionally distraught over a PM they received that they can't answer a few questions about the PM then they probably shouldn't be posting it on Reddit. Instead they should be seeing professional psychological help.
> Does discussing unsolicited penis photos really mean:
> Frankly, if someone is so emotionally distraught over a PM they received that they can't answer a few questions about the PM then they probably shouldn't be posting it on Reddit. Instead they should be seeing professional psychological help.
Yes, if the person submitting the unsolicited penis photo to reddit isn't able to answer a few questions about conversations with the sender before the photo was sent.
>He said that it's not possible for him to be raped, and the women in his life are "smart enough" to not be raped
That's true. I said and believe both of those things.
> I personally believe that if you're going to post something on reddit, regardless of the subreddit that your post should be open for criticism and questioning.
oh, okay. so you just want ALL OF REDDIT to change it's subreddits rules, mod permissions, guidelines, various cultures and content organization so you can ask questions at people easier.
that's adorable.
No, I'm simply saying that you should be able to ask non-harassing questions of OPs in /r/creepyPMs
haha, no one should. it's a business not your soapbox.
tell you what: i got a creepy throwaway message the other day from a dude called Blix7864 who showed me his dick on Snapchat. i didn't know him, but he might have been a friend of a friend or something. then it disappeared after a few seconds. i was small and pink and slightly to the right. ask away!
>However, currently that type of comment would be deleted, even though it's relevant to the message.
How is that relevant to the creepy submission. It's like saying Ghostbusters is a terrible movie because we can't ask the writers if they have proof ghosts exist and that people can bust them.
If the message is creepy looking it's fine, I don't doubt some are out of context or faked but that doesn't make it worthless. Not everything has to be fact checked to oblivion to be enjoyable.
(That said quite a few people do put context in their posts.)
>I think so. It's way too easy to post messages either taken out of context or created for cheap, easy karma.
Who cares if they get worthless internet points on that sub. Does that really bother people so much they need to question everyone in case gasp someone got karma they didn't deserve.
>The main point is that much like in other social justice run subs, there's very little room for discussion if that discussion takes the form of questioning or an opposing viewpoint.
It's not a discussion sub. The rules are clear, displayed and enforced fairly. I don't always agree with the mods but they don't pick and choose from what I've seen and I don't care if they have rules I wouldn't, it's their sub.
If only more moderators were that clear and even on enforcement maybe we'd have less mod drama.
Edit: submitted on accident twice.
You mean people might be making stuff up? On this website?
Don't be absurd.
Oh, rasterizedlines, you're like an additional dose of butter in every SRD thread.
He's like one of those butter pumps they have at some movie theaters, where you can slop more butter onto your already buttered popcorn.
I'm not afraid to give my opinion on something, regardless of how popular or unpopular it might be.
So very brave. <3
Haha just like the meme!
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Eh, considering how things have deteriorated in subs that should be nothing but mindless fun (/r/AdviceAnimals), I can't blame the mods of /r/CreepyPMs for trying to make a community dedicated to online harassment, most of which of sexual nature, safer for its users. I've had a comment deleted there once (they take their "no unsolicited advice" rule very seriously), but no hard feelings, really. I could see that community being overruled by trolls in no time if it wasn't for mod protection, similarly to /r/BlackLadies.
Except there's a difference between trolling and asking legitimate questions.
My point is that if you're going to post in a sub like /r/creepyPMs or /r/offmychest then people should be allowed to question you and your motives. Not criticize or harass but question.
Currently I think the mods are a little overzealous in their "protection" of those subs.
Yes! I just want to JAQ off everywhere! Why won't they let me JAQ off all over them?!?!111 :(
Yes, I want the ability to ask OPs questions when they post in subs like /r/creepypms
Yes, we all are aware how much you like to JAQ off
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Meh. I just lurk and check the posts. I don't feel the need to comment there. But I do often wonder about the men (and sometimes women) who send those types of messages and if it ever works?
> But I do often wonder about the men (and sometimes women) who send those types of messages and if it ever works?
I'm sure it works. Why else would you do it?
I'm not saying there is a high rate of success or anything like that but if you send out enough messages you're bound to get a few positive responses.
Honestly, it's probably not a bad way of weeding out "undesirables." Let's say you are just looking for sex and you send a message about sex and/or an unsolicited picture of your junk. If the recipient responds positively there's a good chance that they are also just looking for sex and/or are going to willing to have sex quickly.
> Honestly, it's probably not a bad way of weeding out "undesirables."
Not quite, I think.
Even if you're both looking for the same thing (casual sex), inappropriate behavior (for example, unsolicited dick pics) will usually attract people who might be after what you want for the wrong reasons (insecurity, desperation, self-delusion, lack or self-awareness or basic human decency, etc.).
I guess what I'm saying is that making an effort to have mindless sex with seemingly sane people sounds like a good way to avoid waking up inside someone's trunk. By hooking up with people who don't mind inappropriate behavior, you always risk getting more than you bargained for.
> ven if you're both looking for the same thing (casual sex), inappropriate behavior (for example, unsolicited dick pics) will usually attract people who might be after what you want for the wrong reasons (insecurity, desperation, self-delusion, lack or self-awareness or basic human decency, etc.).
So? You're looking for casual sex and/or a one night stand. Why would you care about their reasons for looking for the same?
>I guess what I'm saying is that making an effort to have mindless sex with seemingly sane people sounds like a good way to avoid waking up inside someone's trunk.
Or falsely accused of rape. Still if you're engaging in mindless, casual sex, with near strangers those are the risks you take.
> So? You're looking for casual sex and/or a one night stand. Why would you care about their reasons for looking for the same?
To guarantee your own safety, obviously.
/r/truecreepypms and /r/trueoffmychest exist for those reasons.
Excellent!
What bothers me is that no one hits the block button and lets the creepy convos go on just so they have some creepyPMs material.
That's part of the reason I dislike the sub as well.
The dude sent you a picture of his dick but then you have two more pages of conversation with him. Why? If you didn't want to see his dick then why would you respond after that?
That's the type of question people should be able to ask in that sub.
I commented once on how the creep sincerely apologized and he bowed out of the convo himself. I was banned.
Of course.
I dared to ask about the topic of conversation prior to the "creepy PM" and was banned.
How dare you? ha