/r/mma mod gets a Chuck Liddell downvote-beatdown when he explains why his fellow mod "won" a raffle for a trip to UFC 173 in Vegas. (np.reddit.com)
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22 comments submitted at 20:02:08 on May 15, 2014 by gato22
/r/mma mod gets a Chuck Liddell downvote-beatdown when he explains why his fellow mod "won" a raffle for a trip to UFC 173 in Vegas. (np.reddit.com)
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22 comments submitted at 20:02:08 on May 15, 2014 by gato22
I am the head mod over at /r/MMA and will happily answer any questions users have, all I ask is you go and read the original thread before judging based on this thread or any comments...
www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/25f3qv/officialeasportsufcticket_giveaway/
Also bear in mind that the user that created this thread has been banned multiple times from /r/MMA for doxxing users and mods, sending abusive threats and emailing people's mothers and being abusive.
>The fairest route we could come up with was to pick a group of people who consistently contribute to the community, and that we thought would be good representatives for /r/MMA[1] . We started with a list of 12 names, and ended up with only 6 who were eligible to go.
You only picked 12 people from your subreddit. Do you only have 12 decent contributors?
Including a mod in this raffle is, like people in that thread said, like letting a lottery employee win the lottery. Very suspect. Also kind of stupid-here, let's give back to the community by sending one of the mods on this awesome trip.
Did none of you seriously see questions about this in the future? Or did you just decide you didn't care.
edit:
Why did you conduct this poll in secrecy, instead of openly asking people to submit names of quality contributors?
Chris Camozzi's video picking the winner was posted May 12. You said in your post announcing the mod as the winner that "This came in less than a week ago". I'll go ahead and assume you meant 3-4 days, or half a week. You had from around May 10th, which is a full two weeks before the event, and you didn't have time to pick more than 12 (11 non-mod) names for the contest?
Why not have the community vote on who got to go?
/u/IkeepsItReal has 6 comments in /r/MMA in the last 6 months. Why was a user who averages one comment per month considered enough of a quality contributor to be entered? What defines a quality contributor? You said you chose users who "consistently contribute to the community". Is one comment a month considered consistent contribution? Does one comment a month make a user one of the sub's best 12 contributors? If I comment three whole times a month will you make me head mod?
It's also important to note that only six users were entered into the raffle, including the one mod.
It'd be great if reddit had a system to decide who was a frequent contributor, instead of mods subjectively choosing based how they feel about users emotionally (and their mod status.) Something like a point-based karma system that's determined by how much the community appreciates their contributions.
Yeah, with so many subscribers, you'd think they would let everyone who wanted enter or at least come up with a contest. Just choosing twelve people seems kind of shitty
In case you missed my edit, one of the users who was chosen but couldn't make it has made 6 comments on that sub in the last 6 months.
So in other words, when the /r/mma mods think "ok, who are our top 12 contributors?" they jump to the guy who schedules his posts by the full moon.
Please go and read the original thread, we got an email a week before the close date, we only had limited time and didn't want to lose the prize by being unorganised.
If you speak to the members at /r/MMA our policy is normally to get user input on all decisions, we have a filter system on /r/MMA go over there and filter by [Official] and you will see us asking the community for input and votes for pretty much every major decision.
We had very limited time so we choose the most efficient method.
Edit to answer edit - EA gave us a timeline to get a winner IIRC it was the 15th. IKeepsITReal designed our original logo for our charity Tshirt and subreddit and has helped with other designs.
> we got an email a week before the close date
The close date? What date was that? You said you got the email half a week before your "winner" thread-does this mean you chose the ~~user~~mod in half the time you were limited to?
Can you answer any of my other questions?
>We had very limited time so we choose the most efficient method.
It would have been more efficient to just announce that one of the mods was going to vegas.
> EA gave us a timeline to get a winner IIRC it was the 15th.
So again, you had the winner picked out 3 days before your deadline.
Remind me again how you didn't have time to conduct this more openly?
>IKeepsITReal designed our original logo for our charity Tshirt and subreddit and has helped with other designs.
So the guy who does your CSS and designed a t-shirt is one of your top 12 contributors? More important to the community than 76, 362 other users who subscribe there?
I'm not going to argue the individual merits of the people we selected but that users is a really good guy and helped us out in the past and recently, none of our regular users had an issue with our selections and were very supportive.
The winner was picked on the 14th a day before the deadline.
Will you be coming back to answer the rest of my questions?
How could you not see this coming? I get that you wanted to reward contributors but even assuming that everything went down exactly as you said it did, allowing a mod to be eligible is just plain stupid. I'd be mad as hell if I was an /r/MMA user. Hell, a better way would've been to let the community vote, once for themselves and once for someone else and don't count votes unless they do vote for someone else. Could've been done with a single thread and if it happened to be a mod that was picked by the community, then that's that. Otherwise it goes to the person the community feels is most deserving.
If I were you and I wanted to keep any credibility for myself and my sub, I would do a redraw using the above rules.
Mods should be ineligible for anything like this, in any decent-run sub. For example, I'm pretty sure the /r/hiphopheads mods aren't allowed to win those giveaways they do.
Absolutely. Like I said, the only exception would be if the community wanted a mod to go or felt like a mod was the most deserving.
inb4 /r/MMARebooted
Lol, the community's feelings on who was most deserving don't matter. To quote /u/random_sTp:
>They asked for someone to represent our community, IMO one of the mods is the best representative.
Also
>inb4 /r/MMARebooted
Socrates got KO'd for this shit.
Happy Cakeday :)
I love everything about this. Tastiest popcorn in awhile. Thanks OP.