Alexandra Botez, one of Canada's top female chess players. (i.imgur.com)

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345 comments submitted at 02:07:38 on Apr 27, 2014 by doug89

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  • subtasticdan
  • 45 Points
  • 05:12:20, 27 April

Why is chess competition not co-ed? What is the reason to separate genders?

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  • [deleted]
  • 18 Points
  • 09:27:08, 27 April

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  • BrambleBees
  • 1 Points
  • 12:51:30, 27 April

At young ages most intellectual pursuits are considered the boy's domain. When I was a kid I had chess sets, electronics kits, chemistry kits, books about space and planets, handheld programmable computers, you name it. My sister had dolls, books about dogs and cooking, a big plastic kitchen, etc. It's unfortunate. I don't have children but I've tried to encourage my nieces and nephews to pursue what they like, rather than what's girly or boyish.

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  • Mister-Spock
  • 1 Points
  • 12:50:52, 27 April

> The competitive world is still quite hostile to women and when they play they don't just have the pressure of performing for themselves, for much of the audience and commentators, their performance will be taken to be representative of women's ability at the sport as a whole, especially if they're one of the better female players. They're scrutinised for their gender as well as their skill.

I don't know what tournaments you play in, but as an experianced player as well as tournament director I can say I've never seen anything of this.

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  • BrambleBees
  • 4 Points
  • 12:45:34, 27 April

I read elsewhere in this thread (so no guarantees) that it's because women are so vastly outnumbered that in mixed tournaments the odds against a female winner are ridiculously slim. Women-only tournaments were set up so there could be female winners. I don't see why that's a good reason, though; why try to force equal outcomes? If women are only 5% of competitors then we should expect them to win about 5% of the time. Nothing wrong with that.

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  • haplolgy
  • 0 Points
  • 13:21:43, 27 April

let me guess. you don't agree with affirmative action either.

if women are underrepresented in the chess world, why not encourage them to play by such means as women's tournaments, so that there's a bit more of a gender balance?

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  • Shiroi_Kage
  • 6 Points
  • 06:40:33, 27 April

http://www.reddit.com/r/gentlemanboners/comments/242pi3/alexandrabotezoneofcanadastopfemale_chess/ch34925

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  • aGentlemanScholar
  • 17 Points
  • 05:27:47, 27 April

I don't know, but I would be pretty damn distracted if I had to play against her. Not very fair.

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  • [deleted]
  • -29 Points
  • 06:13:13, 27 April

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  • Windexglow
  • 6 Points
  • 07:39:04, 27 April

Too direct, you only get upvotes for creepy comments not threatening. Remember, we're gentlemen here.

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  • We_Are_Legion
  • 5 Points
  • 07:16:57, 27 April

I think a good reasonably ubiquitous phenomenon that explains it is the way the two gender's IQ bell curves tend to shape. Women tend to be clumped near the average, while males have fewer at the average and disproportionately many many more at the extremes: idiots and geniuses.

When you open the gates to a game, the people who will take to it first are the ones with the patience for it and the willingness to try elaborate setups. The equilibrium that follows will be heavily biased by the fact there are already males in there, and those males may intimidate the women. But eventually, you have to accept that since there are many women only tournaments, and there are countries which actually have more funding for chess appropriated for female-only chess than mixed-sex tournaments, yet still see less female participation, you have to accept that the equilibrium may be affected heavily due to the bell curve in the first place.

EDIT: I thought this was common knowledge. Its in college psych and sociology books for god's sake. Its in women's studies classes! I added sources in another reply below anyway.

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  • ownworldman
  • 6 Points
  • 08:35:25, 27 April

Is there a source about male and female gauss curves being different?

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  • We_Are_Legion
  • 17 Points
  • 09:14:05, 27 April

Sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexdifferencesinhumanpsychology#Currentresearchongeneralintelligence

http://www.subjectpool.com/edpapers/2007/Deary2007Intelligence451-456Brothersistersex_differences.pdf (standard deviation ratios for tl;dr)

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/sexdifferences.aspx

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1274952/Men-ARE-brainy-women-says-scientist-Professor-Richard-Lynn.html

http://hiqnews.megafoundation.org/Gender_Differences.html

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/genderdiff.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/18/national/18harvard.html?ei=5090&en=3bd8d429b8f9b21c&ex=1263704400&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&adxnnlx=1190833439-D2QycEs3DsJMyYqAhOnpIg

http://pps.sagepub.com/content/1/4/316

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-how-and-why-sex-differences/201101/how-can-there-still-be-sex-difference-even-when-there-is

Google has more.

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  • ownworldman
  • 2 Points
  • 09:21:17, 27 April

Thank you.

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  • We_Are_Legion
  • 8 Points
  • 09:25:27, 27 April

You're welcome. Usually I source, but I thought this wasn't really contentious info. There's really no evidence to the contrary, women and men have same mean IQs, but men's tend to be more erratic: more idiots. more geniuses.

Its also true for birth defects, or facial features or height. Males have greater genetic variance.

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  • FarQFacebook
  • 8 Points
  • 09:01:22, 27 April

I don't know why he is being downvoted, but he is right. A psych lecturer tols us the same thing. I'll try to find a source.

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  • ownworldman
  • 1 Points
  • 09:24:29, 27 April

Please do!

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  • FarQFacebook
  • 2 Points
  • 10:49:18, 27 April

Very informal source (but they do refer to peer reviewed articles):
Source 1

Source 2

I will look for peer reviewed journal articles laters. :)

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  • serb1991
  • 2 Points
  • 09:04:18, 27 April

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1274952/Men-ARE-brainy-women-says-scientist-Professor-Richard-Lynn.html

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  • Random11234
  • 1 Points
  • 12:04:29, 27 April

You do know there is no evidence IQ and chess ability are related right? So... This whole line of reasoning is irrelevant. In fact, chess grandmasters were one of the great first sources of insight into Perceptual Skill Learning because their brand of intelligence completely disappears once you take them out of actual chess.

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  • BlueGhostGames
  • 2 Points
  • 12:34:20, 27 April

The wider bell curves but same mean performance does exist in fields outside of IQ it's not a huge stretch to think it applies to chess.

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  • Random11234
  • 1 Points
  • 13:38:55, 27 April

Please show evidence such that it should apply to chess.

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  • GiovanniBuble
  • 1 Points
  • 13:48:29, 27 April

>WeAreLegion 3 points 6 hours ago* (32|29)

lolol at your downvotes. that is not what reddit wants to hear. sorry, ladies, you can't be mad at the facts

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  • Mister-Spock
  • 1 Points
  • 12:49:28, 27 April

It is, actually. For some strange reason there seems to still be players insisting on an additional, separate female championship. But women can, and do, play in the normal tournaments.

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  • frame_of_mind
  • -12 Points
  • 06:45:23, 27 April

Just like every other sport. Women generally suck compared to men, so they need to separate to avoid being dominated by men in every game they play.

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  • hamsterwheel
  • 8 Points
  • 06:49:31, 27 April

thats due to physicality though. There should be no need to separate genders in a game of the mind.

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  • Spark_Fiction
  • 5 Points
  • 10:17:47, 27 April

And yet here we are

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  • shibomi
  • 5 Points
  • 07:29:41, 27 April

Honestly i think it's about getting more women in general to play competitively. Men and women generally feel more comfortably around the same sex and when a scene feels like a sausage fest it can feel off-putting to women.

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  • qbslug
  • -9 Points
  • 06:56:34, 27 April

Men brains are slightly larger and better wired for spatial awareness. These differences are marginal on average but make a difference at the highest levels of chess.

edit: Oh I'm sorry what I meant to say is that men and women are exactly the same in every conceivable way! Hormones don't really do anything either - they are just inert vestigial chemicals in our bodies

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  • ifactor
  • 2 Points
  • 07:30:53, 27 April

I think it's more because even if there's an even chance that a certain individual is going to be great at chess, that much more males will simply because much more males play the game.

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  • brucemo
  • -1 Points
  • 08:15:25, 27 April

That's what you'd think but it's always been true.

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  • ButterBoobs
  • -7 Points
  • 08:29:08, 27 April

Men are more intelligent as well. Until we as a society accept this fact, we will collectively continue to piss into the wind.

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  • ownworldman
  • -10 Points
  • 08:34:28, 27 April

Women don't like losing to men.

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  • Steellonewolf77
  • -23 Points
  • 05:28:19, 27 April

This is out there, but just an idea: seduction tactics??

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  • Downvotes_Everybody
  • 7 Points
  • 06:22:49, 27 April

Are you fucking kidding me

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  • Steellonewolf77
  • -4 Points
  • 06:47:04, 27 April

I don't know man. It's the only reason I could come up with.

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  • lestat85
  • 2 Points
  • 08:07:06, 27 April

http://youtu.be/nQM0Ee4oucM

Like this?

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  • applebloom
  • -3 Points
  • 11:33:02, 27 April

Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscienceofgenderdifferences#Malevs.femalebrain_anatomy

http://www.dana.org/cerebrum/#

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  • [deleted]
  • -5 Points
  • 05:49:57, 27 April

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  • bw13187
  • 0 Points
  • 06:23:45, 27 April

May it?