Military drama in (surprise, surprise) AdviceAnimals: are women slacking on their physical fitness tests? And, are they getting pregnant to avoid deployments? (np.reddit.com)
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160 comments submitted at 12:40:14 on Apr 24, 2014 by nrrdgrrl4500
Ok, maybe I can inject some sanity here, or maybe not. I was the Installation Deployment NCO for McConnell AFB for several years, from about 2007 to 2010. (I suppose if you were stationed there, or deployed out of there in that time, you could guess my name.) But, literally, you did not deploy through there without going through my office. We were in charge of tasking all deploying perosnnel and all deployment waivers had to be processed by my team.
Did I ever suspect that a woman got pregnant to dodge a deployment? Once or twice, yes. I saw pregnancy waivers come through for women who weren't due until they would have been back from their deployment. But, not often. I'd estimate that 95% of pregnancy waivers came from women who were already pregnant when they were tasked.
Now, on to physical waivers. That was absolutely an issue. Many people suddenly turned up with disabilities once tasked for deployment. This ran about 70/30 men and women... or about the same as the gender distribution in the military overall.
For people really dedicated to ducking a deployment, mental health waivers were far more frequent. I almost accidentally got one when I went to refill my sleep aid prescription prior to deploying. They told me it disqualified me from deployment... I told them I was the Installation Deployment NCO and no it didn't. But, seriously, saying you were depressed about a pending deployment would land a waiver on my desk.
Now, here's the thing. The preggos, the lame-os, and the mental cases - no matter which - those deployment slots still had to be filled by people from those units. If SrA Fertile-Uterus is getting herself knocked up every time she's tasked...she's just going to be non-recommended for re-enlistment. Same with Sgt. Limpy and Lt. Schizo.
> I saw pregnancy waivers come through for women who weren't due until they would have been back from their deployment
Why would those waivers be a bad thing? Just imagining a 7-months-pregnant lady trying to do a belly crawl here...
I'm not saying they're a bad thing. I'm saying the timing implies that they didn't get pregnant until after learning of their deployment. But, still, only once or twice in all my time as IDNCO.
Ah, okay, that makes sense!
> For people really dedicated to ducking a deployment,
I think this would be the one time that AutoCorrect would ever decide to write it as "fucking".
"Fucking" did appear on my potential list of choices...
> For real man. Fucking cum dumpsters. All of them.
Reading that thread makes me have even more respect for the women who are willing to be deployed, given the attitudes of some of their comrades.
I can only think it makes those men dumpster fuckers. Also, I wonder if they call their own mothers a cum dumpster.
And it's upvoted right now.
Fuck this stupid Earth.
Reddit != Real life
Maybe it's not wholly representative, but it's not like this guy calls women "cum dumpsters" online and then goes to volunteer with single mothers, now is it?
Going online lets people be more hateful because they can be anonymous, but it's not like they didn't hold their shitty opinions before that.
I don't think he goes anywhere.
Guys who call women "cum dumpster" online wouldn't say anything rude in real life.
They might not say it, especially in mixed company, but it's pretty obvious that the commenter has some problems with women. That guy is a sexist asshole, and he doesn't become Mr. Equality when he shuts down his Reddit account.
> Going online lets people be more hateful because they can be anonymous, but it's not like they didn't hold their shitty opinions before that.
doesn't matter if they would say anything rude in real life. his point was those guys hold those opinions in real life and express them online because they don't fear retribution.
It's still real to me, damn it!
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Confirmation bias. I think most arguments on Reddit disliking a race or gender usually boils down to that.
Just as many men get a profile as women.
And obviously guys can't get pregnant but they will wait until right before deployment to start increasing visits for their medical condition to make them undeployable.
> Just as many men get a profile as women.
If you could give some statistics for that, I think it would shut a lot of assholes up. That and the whole "getting pregnant before deployment" thing seem pretty easy to clear up, but I have no idea where to look for those stats.
I'm going to guess that since males make up the overwhelming majority of military personnel, that they also make up the majority of profiles and other medical waivers.
Turns out, this is a common problem, so we invented percentages! They make it easy to compare proportions. Statistics party!
Those kinds of records aren't going to be publicly available. But in my experience there are just as many guys malingering as there are girls, probably more.
Funny. Your anecdotal evidence isn't as good as the ones in that thread.
Bias.
Just like you said, you won't find numbers because that's how it works. If we want stories on people feigning injuries I'm sure some could go on forever and they'd all be guys. But once a single woman is used it is fact.
Should be obvious now that some people are just using any excuse to hate women in the military.
I didnt provide any anecdotes, but with ten years active service and 36 months combined worth of deployments I too could "go on for days". All I said was that both genders have malingerers and said nothing against women in the military. In fact some of my best soldiers have been women. But somehow you've taken issue with this?
SOMETHING SOMETHING THE PATRIARCHY
or just accept that a unit will always hate the shitbags and rag on them in every way they can.
>Well... I've been in about 5 different units in my time in and it's always the same. When you see a solid 40+% of the female miraculously get pregnant 2 months before we are supposed to go overseas and have to deal with all the BS that comes with replacing them since they can't go... ya anecdotal. Keep telling yourself that.
Really though, that's an anecdotal. How do they not understand this? They act like this 40% number is from some military survey/study when it's just a sexist asshole talking smack. Women do gasp get pregnant and it can be prior to a deployment, but this 40% number is just anecdotal garbage. The only number's that reach 40% for anything female that I can find is the amount of sexual assault that's reported in the military done to them.
They are also failing to address the fact women can't use birth control as reliably as they can (and usually can't ask for condoms without fearing getting in trouble as relations overseas are often "forbidden") as civilians and can't seek a plan b bill or abortion while deployed:
>Access to birth control can be a problem for troops deployed for long periods of time - and if women do become pregnant, abortion is legally restricted on U.S. military bases. Women who get pregnant while overseas must be evacuated.
The problem is much more related to terrible policies regarding birth control and abortion than it appears to be some malicious and intrinsic attempt by all women to skip out on a deployment.
It is so fucked up that the people who we send to fight for our national interests are not given access to the best medical care we can offer.
And I say that as an American taxpayer who hates our bloated military budget.
In general people in the military get pretty amazing healthcare at least from my experience(Navy enlisted). This seems to be more of a specific policy problem than an overall healthcare issue.
>In general people in the military get pretty amazing healthcare at least from my experience(Navy enlisted). This seems to be more of a specific policy problem than an overall healthcare issue.
I was Air Force enlisted on an Army base. The on base healthcare was not good. I had some bad experiences myself and I heard some horror stories from other people, although you have to take rumors with a giant grain of salt in the military.
You should. I've had a couple operations and my wife has given birth three times in military hospitals. Ragging on military hospitals is more of an "in" joke than anything else.
I gave birth in a military hospital and I LOVED it. Everyone was amazing. That being said the same hospital a couple of floors down told me they didn't believe in the kind of birth control I wanted (Aaaand I got a baby) and numbed my back before removing a mole... They forgot to stitch it and I bled through my ABU jacket. Then I got Eczema flaring up. 2 bases later and still I get told "Well what do you think we should give you". Mo fo if I knew that I wouldn't be asking a doc for help.
But the pediatrics? Outstanding. I LOVE our doctors we've had!
I'm sure most people have a good experience. It's the few bad experiences that overshadow the good ones for me.
For example, I badly hurt my feet after a fall. I could barely walk for the first week and limped for the next couple months. The doctor didn't take an X-Ray. He just said I look fine and gave me a big bottle of Motrin. I had to borrow crutches from another Airman. I still have random foot pain 8 years later.
My good friend had to get some kind of growth or cyst removed from his back. The people who removed it messed up 3 times, and had to reoperate each time. Eventually it stopped healing, there were complications, and he missed out on almost a year of his 4 year enlistment.
The rumors are worse, but like you said it's best to not take them as seriously. All I know for sure is that an Airman snapped, either due to incorrect medication or a prexisting medical condition. He ran through the barrack hallways, smeared poop on the walls, and then died in the Army hospital. The rumors said that it was the doctors' fault for giving him an incorrect medication. I don't know if that's true, but I do wonder why he went nuts and died so suddenly.
I'm glad you never experienced these things. I'm sure most people don't. It's just that these things do happen once in a while, and if they happen to you there is little you can do about it. You can't sue military doctors.
They have access to medical care just fine. You can go to medical and get just as good of healthcare as if you were a civilian going to your provider but no co-pays or deductibles.
> and usually can't ask for condoms without fearing getting in trouble as relations overseas are often "forbidden")
No shit, why would they need condoms if fraternization and relationships are forbidden overseas? It's the military, not college. When the higher ups say not to do it, that doesnt mean you skirt around it without expecting to get ninja punched and/or lose rank over it. You really don't have the same rights as you have as a civilian when you are in the military
Ueahz but RULES are BS man........
> When the higher ups say not to do it, that doesnt mean you skirt around it without expecting to get ninja punched and/or lose rank over it
Yes, but when the men do it they don't end up with a bun in the oven--the woman might not even know which man is the father, and she may never contact any of them. When the women do it, pregnancy is what they risk... which would make a lot of sense if the rate of women who get pregnant when overseas is higher than that of the typical person who has access to contraceptives. Sure, the women who are doing it are disobeying a direct order, true, but just because the women are more likely to get caught due to biology doesn't mean that it's only men doing it. As it so happens, the fact men don't carry the baby just makes it a bit easier for them to get away with a fling with another soldier/a civilian/a prostitute/whomever.
I'd be willing to bet that lesbian soldiers have a very slim rate of pregnancy before deployment, and not due to any moral difference between lesbians and straight women, similarly if a woman is more likely to become pregnant due to lack of contraceptives it doesn't show a moral difference between straight women and men.
Whether they're forbidden or not and whether it is a good thing or not, the point remains: If there is no access to contraceptives, the consequences are going to be more visible on female soldiers as pregnancy is something that is hard to hide.
It's their decision to make and they know the risks involved.
You're required to have a 180 day supply of all meds(including birth control) you take before you deploy, if you ask, you can get a years worth.
You can buy condoms at just about any PX in Afghanistan, or get them free at the TMC.
They gave me 3 months worth of my birth control and said good luck. Good thing I wasn't actually needing it to not have a baby at the time.
We didn't have a TMC or PX anywhere near us most of my deployment and birth control was not made available to our unit on the same level as a typical medical prescription prior to my combat deployment. The articles I've linked also cite the fact that military units forbid sex on deployments so some women don't take birth control under the impression they will not be doing so while deployed then end up doing so anyway and get pregnant. It's a lot more complicated than being able to stroll down to the PX to buy condoms, assuming the condoms break or birth control fails the women are still going to have to be removed from duty because there are no abortion/plan b options while deployed due to military law.
I'd also like to bring up the fact (once again) that there is no current evidence presented there's a legitimate epidemic of women getting pregnant maliciously on or before deployments.
Well. I guess my experience was different. I know all the women in my unit who took birth control could get what the wanted before we went. My the woman I was seeing at the time got a whole years worth before deploying.
Despite it being against the rules, it's not like sex doesn't happen. When I was there, it was worded that you couldn't sleep together or be in living quarters alone with the opposite sex. So, if you did it say in an office wasn't technically forbidden by the rules. I know that's been reworded. It didn't apply if you were married and deployed with your spouse. On a few bases you were put up in shared billeting with your spouse.
Only a few women rotated out to the small COPs, most stayed at the BDE/BN fobs.
You're forgetting this is just the low hanging fruit for the mens to complain about. If it wasn't pregnancy, it would be something else like PT standards or PT waivers (as also exhibited throughout the thread).
No, it isn't, because the women get pregnant before the deployment.
There's different types of deployments. Units often deploy months prior to a combat deployment to a training deployment that can affect birth control availability. You're also working off his anecdotal to suppose there is a legitimate issue with pre deployment pregnancy when there's no evidence presented outside that anecdote that it's a legitimate and wide spread issue. There may be higher unwanted pregnancy in the military (apparently this is a criticized stance as the Navy representative cited rates that were similar to civilian levels) but there's also a massive amount of sexual assaults and suicide in the military as well. They clearly operate under conditions outside the civilian norm and this issue is almost certainly more complicated than women just trying to avoid deployments.
It all seems like sexist cherry picking to me, I could use the same type of cherry picking (and this is assuming the point that women are dodging service to year long deployments to have 18 years of commitment to a child can be legitimized) to cite men as rapists according to the horrible sexual assault 40% (could be higher or lower depending on the year) of women face while serving.
I think it gets talked about more than you actually see it in practice. Some of my friends joke about getting pregnant to avoid deployment but none of them have and I doubt any actually would.
There are of course plenty of horror stories about work centers being crippled because they lost multiple women just before a deployment and didn't have time to replace them but it's hard to know how true those are.
Exactly! It's seems to be more of a boogy-man mythos that women are shirking responsibility than a legitimate issue. I did 4 years with a couple deployments myself and I only met one woman out of thousands that seriously entertained the idea of getting pregnant prior to deployment and she was married and was planning on it anyway. Even though my unit was mostly men I think we had almost no women in my brigade get pregnant prior to deploying and still dudes would be walking around talking shit about it happening like it was an epidemic.
I think it's just like most of Reddit's stories involving totally real things that women totally do all of the time: 10% actual knowledge of similar events happening before, 90% confirmation bias.
Did it occur to anyone there that women might get pregnant before deployment because they might not get laid for a looong time after? Male military personnel do it all the time--go on a fucking bender before they're shipped out--but, of course, women don't actually like sex, they just use it as a weapon against men.
Birth control.
Can fail. Especially if someone relies on condoms, which many women do.
People should rely on personal forms of birth control, not leave it up to another. 2 methods of control makes it pretty hard to argue a mistake of getting pregnant. No excuses.
Only not all women react well to hormonal birth control--a lot of women have terrible side effects--and nonhormonal options like copper IUDs tend to be expensive.
Is expense an excuse for an having a baby for the wrong reasons?
Nope, but birth control can and does fail, and not every method will be appropriate for an individual woman.
The minuscule chance of failure is no reason not to be responsible. If one cannot reproduce responsibly, then one should keep it in their pants. People know what job they signed up for.
You seem have a worse sexual health policy than the military. That's truly saying something.
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> If one cannot reproduce responsibly, then one should keep it in their pants.
Interesting that nobody is saying this about men. Let me guess, a man knocking a woman up before he is deployed is reproducing responsibly yet a woman doing the same would be reproducing irresponsibly?
Not if you have the money to spare, but some don't. And IUDs can also be risky to your health. A friend of mine developed severe ovarian cysts after getting a copper IUD inserted, and now she'll never be able to have children at all.
If you can't afford to protect from pregnancy, you can't afford to have a kid. It's irresponsible to be sexually un-safe when signing up for a job like that.
Hey there, the military procedure is also to tell people: "don't have sex," but that doesn't solve any problems now, what makes you think that it'd work just because you suggested it? You're just being a contrarian, your arguments are not shedding any light on this issue (or lack of one, considering no one has provided evidence this is a serious issue to begin with.)
Using condoms is not being "sexually un-safe". I think what you mean by "unsafe" is actually "having a minute chance of becoming pregnant", which almost all women do. Not all military jobs require extreme physical exertion, and there's no reason that women--even pregnant women--shouldn't be allowed to perform to the best of their ability. It's not irresponsible to get pregnant--intentionally or not--when you work a desk job or as a cook.
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The birth control for women while deployed problem is an easy one for the US Military to solve. Just offer Depro shots or since it's the military, make them mandatory while on deployment.
The ethics of that aside, Depro causes incredibly irregular periods in a substantial portion (more than half) of its users:
> After a year of use, 55% of women experience amenorrhoea; after 2 years, the rate rises to 68%. In the first months of use "irregular or unpredictable bleeding or spotting, or rarely, heavy or continuous bleeding" was reported. [Source.] (http://www.drugs.com/pro/depo-provera.html)
It's not a great method of birth control because of that for the average person;I imagine that it would be even worse in a combat zone.
I'm sure there are other "depro-like" drugs they could use.
As for the eithics of it, I see no problem with the military saying "We don't want you to get pregnant on deployment because pregnancy can cause physical/mental changes that you can't control but could potentially put the lives of others at risk so we're going to put you on mandatory birth control for your period of deployment."
Do you not see a problem with mandatory vasectomies for the male folks, as well? After all, it's reversible.
Honestly, no I don't. Although I'd probably suggest mandatory chemical castration while on deployment.
No offense but sex should be the last thing on your mind if you're deployed to a war zone.
I disagree with you, but I respect that you are consistent in applying your views.
Long-lasting injectables really do have awful side effects as a general rule. There's a reason why people don't tend to use them and opt to take medication on a daily basis-- why wouldn't you get a shot a few times a year instead of taking a pill daily if it were just as good? I'm sure they'll improve with time, but for now they're pretty inadequate.
As for the other part... I'm not totally sure of the law, but that seems like a bad precedent for a government institution to set, no matter the justification. The military hasn't responded to its appalling rape statistics by demanding that soldiers be temporarily chemically castrated, now has it? Even though that would solve the problem altogether, we're all in agreement-- reasonably-- that it's a bridge too far.
Sacrificing bodily autonomy for institutional effectiveness is something that no one wants to touch with a ten-foot pole.
> The military hasn't responded to its appalling rape statistics by demanding that soldiers be temporarily chemically castrated, now has it? Even though that would solve the problem altogether, we're all in agreement-- reasonably-- that it's a bridge too far.
As I just said in another response, I'm all for chemical castration (both male and female, if that's possible) while on deployment.
So, I might be the crazy one..
Why don't we give both sexes surgical birth control (reversible, for free, on discharge) and let them fuck like rabbits off-duty?
> I knew a guy that dropped a .50 cal on his foot on purpose and broke it so he didn't have to go on the ship with the Navy. He didn't want to be stuck on the ship with the Sgt I worked for who used to bang his ex-wife on the regular. I shit you not, 100% true story from 3rd AAV battalion around 2004. When you marry a barracks hoe.....
Even when it's a man avoiding deployment, it's still somehow a woman's fault for being a "hoe".
He's not blaming her for avoiding deployment. She cheated on him with someone who would be on that deployment, and he's avoiding be together with that person for several months (or whatever it is).
There's plenty of sexism in the thread without having to invent more.
She's framed as the root cause.
She and the Sgt are framed as the root cause. And it's the Sgt he's avoiding, not her.
Well it takes two to tango, she is part of the issue. The guy is a piece of shit too.
And it takes two people to make a baby, but nobody's hating on the men who impregnate these women.
I was talking about the above example. Nobody is hating on the men because the men are presumably still deploying and doing their job.
And I was comparing the above example to the linked one...
In both, two people are involved. In one, a lot of time is spent talking about awful the person not doing their job is (the pregnant woman), without any comment on the other (the man who impregnated her). In the other, no comment is actually made on the party actually doing the bad thing (the jilted man), but the other party (the cheating woman) is called a hoe.
It's not about whether she's not a crappy person for cheating (she is), it's about the difference in reactions.
I don't get what's so difficult to understand about this point I'm trying to make!
Well, if the Sgt. was banging his ex-wife during their marriage, a "hoe" is not the worst thing that a cheating piece of filth deserves to be called.
I think you missed the point.
Probably. Definitely the way to go would've been to request a change of military group (I'm a civilian, I don't even know if that is possible), but I can definitely see the distress of being deployed under the guy that banged your wife.
If my girlfriend and my boss banged, I would certainly request a change of group within my company under normal circumstances; if I had to be on a long term assignment off-site with the same dude I would probably call it quits.
Of course I get why this dude wouldn't want to be in that situation - I wouldn't either! - but it's just funny how it's okay for a dude to cause himself injury to avoid being deployed for a personal reason, but it's not okay for a woman to do the same thing, and how at the root of it all there's still a woman being insulted even though it was the guy who did the thing they're hating on.
Okay hold up though can we talk about this comment for a sec:
>My girlfriend use to run a pizza shop. She loathed hiring women as she said they pretty much used any excuse not to work. If something had to be lifted and carried they'd bother one of the guys who was busy doing something else to do it for them.
>Civilian life isn't much different huh?
Anecdotal evidence much?
Can we just ship all the Advice Animal posters to a remote island somewhere and let them fight it out yet? It'd be a great step for the rest of humanity, I think.
Adviceanimals is the fucking cum dumpster of reddit.
those hoes
I'd call the island 'Sissy boy slap fight'
It'd be the equivalent of two school children having a fight where they just kind of wave their hands at each other.
::battlecry::
nyeeaaahh nyeeeaahhh
Like a poor man's battle royale
The last time someone tried to make a reddit island nothing happened.
Bunch of fucking lazy ass pussies all got scared and gave up when they realized it was going to take actual work and actual money to actually make something happen. 99.9% of those useless cocksuckers were assholes standing around waiting to be handed something on a silver platter and contributed exactly nothing.
No, I'm not bitter or anything, honest. =)
Advice Animals is such a noxious stew of uniformed bitter fuckery.
The Military: a united front of selfless, hardworking warriors, who will defend their country and each other to the death... Unless you're a woman, in which case you're bad-mouthed from a distance and raped in the barracks. DAE bitches b week and feebel and alwayz cryin???
Also, anyone who ever, ever, ever calls anyone a "cum dumpster" is the worst kind of human being. That is such a venomous, spiteful, hateful way to describe anyone... Let alone all of your female colleagues! I wouldn't trust this man with a knife and fork, to say nothing of all the delightful weapons I'm sure he rubs his nutsack against on a daily basis. Vile. Absolutely vile.
It's kinda gross, isn't it, considering that other headlines you most commonly hear about women in the military have mostly to do with the staggering sexual assault epidemic.
Servicemembers on here care so much about PT standards for women its weird
I dont think you understand the military will speak like that about everyone and they will hate on you with a passion if you are not putting in hard work.
This clip from an hbo show is dialogue directly recorded by a reporter, this is how they talk on a regular basis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3oCLfD0PU4&t=1m7s
Then they'll argue it's a privilege to not have to sign up for selective service. Pick one, people.
Maybe forced abortions for pregnant women about to be deployed
They don't even get ample opportunity to get an consensual abortion...in addition to limited access to birth control, high rates of sexual abuse and a misogynistic culture, there are many steps that need to be taken that aren't asinine.
That's un reasonable. How about fines?
for a bunch of big badass military men they sure whine a lot
who cares how many pushups you can do if a child can operate today's small arms?
To be fair almost all military men and women bitch not just the shitty one's. Source: I am in the army and love to bitch.
oh i know, ive worked with the military for years
my beef is with redditors
Come fight me, tough guy.
huh?
Physical fitness is incredibly important. It's irrelevant who can operate weapons, anyone can carry a gun and be trained to shoot it. It's about who can carry all their gear and ammunition. They carry over 100 pounds of gear on patrol sometimes. Will a woman be able to carry that much? Will a 130 pound woman be able to carry a 200 pound injured man out of combat? These are quite legitimate, non sexist concerns that a lot of people have.
You've obviously never been in a cav troop before. I've never seen a tanker that could pass a PFT, and I've seen plenty of scouts fail it too, pre deployment.
yes she can
That's not a great response, but ok.
it works
A child can operate a small arm, but no effectively. And if you think a bunch of children with AK-47s could stand a chance against any trained force in the world, you're woefully ignorant.
hehehe oh dear
I care because I'd like my shipmates to be able to pull me out of burning wreckage if shit hits the fan.
If they can't even do the 19 push ups required to pass a PRT they probably won't be able to do much for me when I weigh nearly twice as much as some of the women I know.
you know, i worked with severely mentally ill homeless veterans for years
as emotional as you are getting right now, i can only guess that you are young
that's like, your opinion, man
sadly its not
look at the huge amounts of military suicides in amerca, homeless veterans, substence abuse for active duty and veterans alike, the rampant sexual assaults
the system is toxic, and these are serious issues that need to be addressed if you know, people actually 'support the troops'
im not going to get the piss taken out of me out of some ass backwards enlistees on damn reddit
It's interesting that you assume that I'm getting emotional. I'm just being pragmatic. There's a reason there are physical requirements for being in the military and it goes beyond being able to hold and shoot a rifle.
yes, i was being silly thats obvious
but i think instead of fretting about the scrubs who cheat the system I think the more important issue is modernizing the service to better integrate female service members so we can have the best and brightest, placing people in the roles that they are best suited for
and by emotional, i mean your fixation on ’What If?'
worrying about 'what if' is the shit thats going to fuck your head right up you gotta trust that your shipmates will follow their training just as you would.
Also fucking fireman's carry dude
It's not a fixation just a consideration. It's an argument someone made to me when we were debating if women should have the same PRT requirements as men and it made sense to me.
>the more important issue is modernizing the service to better integrate female service members so we can have the best and brightest, placing people in the roles that they are best suited for
That'll be a very delicate task. Too many people that are likely to be offended if they go about it the wrong way for it to happen.
ignore offended, its simple logistics
more women than men these days pursue higher education 51% of the population is not tapped for selective service, the branches are completely neglecting a large pool of talent
some washouts and scrubs are punking out on PT, that's the greatest issue? hell no
You are the most ignorant piece of shit here. Fuck your upvotes.
how would you fuck me? missionary? doggie?
i mean, you know im down for a sloppy throw down, but im actually looking for something long term
Look, I'm sure you thought this was clever when you wrote it, but it's pretty cringe-inducing to read.
Saying something like this:
> who cares how many pushups you can do if a child can operate today's small arms?
That's pretty ignorant. It's ignorant of the military as a whole, whereas the posters we're complaining about were ignorant of women in the military. That's what makes you more ignorant.
i would go ahead and venture that i know a lot about women in the military
but you know i dont really care anymore
yall gonna find something to cry about, might as well be me
I was in a very long, difficult program in the military that lasts for two years. They lost 25%, no exaggeration because I was working in the base commander's office filing paperwork on program washouts, of women due to pregnancy and filing for a hardship withdrawl. The base commander said to several people that he wished they could save the resources by not allowing women into the program but obviously couldn't because of the political implications.
Another story, you're allowed to file a special request chit that questions a rule in the Navy and a superior would sit down and explain it to you. If that superior couldn't, he forwarded it to his superior, until it got to someone who could answer it. One instigator filed one asking why women were allowed to have longer hair than men, because presumably, it would get in the way of their duties. It got to the chief of naval operations - Admiral Clark, just below the secretary of defense before he answered it. He said that women were allowed a reasonable length based on style that didn't interfere with duties.
He then submitted another request chit asking why women were allowed to do less pushups than a man. It, again, got all the way to the CNO. He said that there were physiological differences between men and women but women were still capable of doing their job. He also forbade that guy from writing any more special request chits.
But seriously though, the military has a ton of fucked up people in it, and I have no doubt that some women are smart enough to dodge out of deployment by getting pregnant. I also have no doubt that a ton of asshole guys will bitch about it.
That guy sounds like an absolute tool.
Surprisingly, he was usually one of the better guys, and he'd never even mentioned women in the military until I found out about the request chits. I think he was just being a smartass, which isn't exactly uncommon among sub guys. There were others who were much, much worse.
> I have no doubt that some women are smart enough to dodge out of deployment by getting pregnant.
It's funny. If it was a man who broke his leg to avoid a job he signed up for he would be called a coward and undignified, a woman who supposedly gets pregnant to avoid it is called smart.
I would also call that man smart enough to dodge out of deployment. It was a frequent greeting on my submarine to stick your leg out for someone to break it for you. That is not a joke.
Reddit has strong feelings about the military and women in general. Combine the two and you're guaranteed some drama.
> I'm, by no means implying all. Just at a much higher rate than men.
This might go down as one of my favorite quotes!
The comma is delightfully awkward.
I like the people pointing out that sex is enjoyable, as it is not a foregone conclusion on this site.
Quick question - why on all these threads are the usernames redacted? It can't be that everyone there deleted their account... can it?
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Ah ok, thanks
In the military that attitude is common esp in combat related jobs. Thankfully its going away
I'm sorry, where is the drama?
That's right, it's here, in this thread. There is no drama in the link. All this is is a 'SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING SEXIST!' Nobody here is making fun of the drama. Everyone here is trying to out-white knight each other.
There are literally more posts in this thread bitching about the original link than there are even posts in the original link.
I could take almost all of the comment chains here and you would have no idea what sub they came from. Yeah, go ahead and fucking tell me that the SRS-types haven't terminally infected SRD.
Unintended pregnancy on the rise
Army Wife forum on the topic, where they speak with civility but without hard evidence
Military pregnancy rates are much higher than civilian pregnancy rates
More on becoming pregnant while being deployed, but still not much on predeployment
Exactly what the last link said
That's the best I've found so far when it comes to data collection.
Take college kids and give them a steady paying, guaranteed job with benefits.
No shit people get pregnant more.
What was your point now? Just to point out the obvious?
People were complaining about information/stats etc so I took my best crack at finding something solid. This is the best that turned up but, then again, I'm also at work with an actual job to do. I can't seem to find much on female soldiers getting pregnant before being deployed. Personally, I saw it, but I also saw men get injured before deployment. Were some accidental? Sure. Were some on purpose? Sure. I just wish I had broad stats.
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My popcorn is pretty dry. I feel like I'm in SRS.
Edit : Damn there's more drama in here than the original post.
You feel like you're in SRS because people are pointing out the ignorance of children in the comments?
I feel like I'm talking to a 12 year old. That work?
I come here to watch people argue on the internet and it just seem like there's very little drama here. I agree with you this post is very ignorant just seems to be lacking drama.
Not sure how that relates to being in SRS? I thought that was considered to be a pool of drama instead of one lacking it?
You're short-sighted. Tons of potential drama here!
But yea little in that thread. Just idiots.
Still, not SRS level. Tired of seeing SRS excuse in SRD. They'd be making some crazy over the top comments.
Yea the potential is there but right now that post is just a huge circlejerk. I shouldn't have mentioned SRS either it just seems like that just gets peoples blood boiling one way or the other.
I actually agree with you. The linked thread is full of jackasses, sure, but there's no real drama. Just dumb shit being said. And in this thread people are just commenting on how shitty AA posters are.
Not a lot of drama, just a whole lot of gender BS. Seems like SRD has been trending towards SRS light for a while now.
'the american military should be women only!'
>I feel like I'm talking to a 12 year old.
Good, then it's not just me then.
Mocking misogynistic comments is SRS now.
Most posts here are pretty well thought out or are from current/former military personal, but whatever. Keep beating the SRS dead horse as scapegoat.
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