The state of the subreddit, and how we’re going to tackle the current status of r/SimCity (self.SimCity)

SimCity

792 ups - 554 downs = 238 votes

As many of you can probably tell, this subreddit has very quickly accelerated to a huge circlejerk representing only hate and disrespect towards EA, Maxis, SimCity, and even just some of the users in this subreddit – which is certainly not what a strategy game subreddit should be about. While there are many legitimate reasons for us to be angry, upset, and for some of us just plain pissed off, we need to keep in mind both Reddiquette and some general respect for not only the opinions of others, but for those who are just doing their job.

We should be focusing more on constructive feedback, general ideas, and discussion. Having the constant reposts of bashing, inappropriate and disrespectful posts and titles, and just complete disregard for any sort of respect has quickly turned this subreddit into something where not only the developers, but just general users have been pushed away from. Users who have posted legitimate questions about concerns, general fixes, or just some ideas for towns or actual discussion have quickly been buried in favor of posts which just follow the general trend of bashing. While this may be okay in other subreddits, I feel that this is not the kind of atmosphere we want in r/SimCity.

Existing posts will not be removed based on this material, but newer posts which do not provide any sort of constructive feedback or general discussion towards SimCity (including excess foul language, abuse towards others, and personal attacks aimed at the team or specific people) has the potential to be removed by me or the other moderators on the team.

  • Memes will be removed
  • Only constructive posts are allowed: Posts that clearly define the problem ~~and give possible solutions~~. We're not looking for people to fix the game for EA or Maxis, we're looking for respectful reporting methods. Ex: "PSA: The population feature is broken. It's given a false read to the user which can negatively impact gameplay" is much more efficient than "Fuck this game, everything is lying to us this piece of crap" Posts that are pure bashing or don't offer any sensible advice will be deleted.
  • Only posts that are directly related to the game, thus excluding general EA bashing, Origin bashing and other things that only attract hate.
  • Absolutely NO personal Information. This is not only a rule of the subreddit, but of Reddit itself.

(These rules are holding here for the time being until we can get the subreddit back on track. These points and the general works of the subreddit will be placed up for public discussion where we can all vote and rule out things that we want/don't want to see. Until then, please follow these posting guidelines.)

We will soon be updating the sidebar with some more posting guidelines to help narrow down what we are looking to filter out. While we understand anger due to the new game and behavior that we have received from EA, Origin, and SimCity, we need to understand there are those who are just doing their job and really have no control over the outcome of your conversation with them (obviously this is not the case for all). While posting here, we are going to request some respect from you as a Subreddit. There is plenty of content offering excellent feedback and constructive criticism towards the game – which is exactly what we want.

So we’ve all had our fun, but it’s time we get SimCity back on track. Many users have been reporting abusive posts and messaging the mods about questionable content - It’s important to understand that we take every report and message and read through it thoroughly. Thanks for taking the time to read through and feel free to comment below.

510 comments submitted at 18:34:53 on Mar 17, 2013 by InternetExplorer8

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  • dreamsplease
  • 128 Points
  • 20:53:19, 17 March

I agree that it would be nice if this was a more constructive subreddit, but I think censoring the conversation in /r/simcity is a bit unreasonable. /r/simcity should be the general discussion on SimCity, for better of for worse. Trying to shift the circle jerking to /r/gaming is a bit futile if you ask me. The community is rightfully outraged, and this might change the topics but it won't change the comments.

It's hard to not get the feeling the moderators are doing this as a knee-jerk reaction to the developers fleeing. I seriously doubt it didn't go something like this...

Around game launch:

"Oh wow guys, look how Maxis is using our subreddit instead of their own forums to convey information!"

Problems start occurring, the fans are still behind them for now:

"Oh man! They are using us to give the latest information and collect feedback"

The game is fundamentally flawed, and fans are outraged and telling Maxis what they think:

"Oh no... our visitors are voicing their opinions and we aren't popular amongst our beloved Maxis Devs anymore! Get them back through censorship!"

... It just feels a bit shitty to me. The subreddit was just fine until Maxis/EA gave us a broken game. Maxis devs aren't staying clear because this is a circle-jerk, they are staying clear because the game is indefensible. Answer me this, what constructive forum on the internet are Maxis devs actually actively engaging the fans? Just the EA blog right?

PS: Being a part of the "circle-jerk", if that's what we are calling being pissed off as a group, literally a day or two ago by changing the user counter, and then making this post is a bit contrived.

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  • verdatum
  • 9 Points
  • 00:09:44, 18 March

Adding to this, devs aren't staying clear because the game is indefensible. They are staying clear because they are FUCKING BUSY! Deathmarch mode is Hell. 70 hour work weeks, missing out on time with family and loved ones, bosses literally hovering over your shoulder while you try to debug, dreaming in sourcecode, no bonuses for your extra work, co-workers quiting for better working environments putting extra workload on you, no one wanting to come into the project because it becomes seen as a "lost cause"...it's all par for the course in deathmarch mode.

The fact that any dev has taken the time to correspond with anyone at all has amazed me. And the fact that they go for periods of time without any communication is fine.

Devs aren't stupid. They know to steer clear of obvious attack threads. I think most of them can overlook at lot of it because they are dissatisfied too. While it isn't impossible to hurt their feelings, they know that rage and insults directed at them stems mostly from a lack of understanding of the actual problems involved, or come from rage over the systemic problems involved in the game's fundamental design and release.

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  • phorofor
  • 33 Points
  • 21:58:09, 17 March

Wow, up/down counts on these comments really highlights the division within this subreddit.

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  • deanf
  • 3 Points
  • 00:04:04, 18 March

Yeah lots of controversy. It's controversial because the whole nature of Reddit comes down to democratic and organic content. The outrage will die down by itself, censoring people only makes things worse.

Keep in mind that it's the majority of the subscribers of this sub-reddit that feel outrage, and this is just a venting period. The positive content hasn't disappeared, it's still getting front paged, and in a few weeks it will be back to normal.

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  • cggreene
  • 7 Points
  • 22:29:49, 17 March

Yep

I saw this posts when it was fairly new, most comments were "pro- mods"

They were upvoted

These people were most likely regular subs to /r/simcity as it was early, and they were probably browsing it.

Then in came the "fair day" subs, mostly the ones who subbed after the whole debacle, the ones who are posting memes.

I really think this should go through, look at this sub, it is "anti-EA" not /r/SimCity

If people want to circlejerk or post memes, there are loads of other subreddits for that, or you can create your own.

I already know this will get downvoted, because these "r/gaming" children downvote anything that is undermining there circlejerk.

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  • leffect
  • 10 Points
  • 22:49:47, 17 March

I agree with most of what you have said, but I think calling those who post the hateful memes and personally attack the EA employees, ect, "/r/gaming" children needlessly divides the subreddit further than this debacle already has. That said, I think it's (unpleasantly) fascinating how the comments and posts shifted from mostly "pro-mod" responses to these negative ones. Judging only from the upvotes and downvotes in the thread, the subreddit seems almost equally split on both sides of the issue (with those who responded first seeming predisposed to support the mods on this issue).

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  • sostopher
  • 2 Points
  • 00:39:34, 18 March

I just find it hilarious that as soon as the mods want to bring some order to the sub, people say they are power-hungry, corrupt and love censorship. Get a grip, people.

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  • devedander
  • 4 Points
  • 23:09:29, 17 March

>I really think this should go through, look at this sub, it is "anti-EA" not /r/SimCity[2]

Isn't that kind of like saying a political rally is "anti republican and not pro america"? I mean you say that as if the two are always mutually exclusive... sometimes they are not...

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  • Taubin
  • 3 Points
  • 23:40:51, 17 March

So you are saying (and please correct me if I'm reading this incorrectly) that someone cannot be pro simcity without being anti-EA?

Because I personally have nothing against EA. Yes, there are some broken things with the game. But, I hold no ill will towards them. I do however quite enjoy SimCity.

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  • devedander
  • 4 Points
  • 23:45:09, 17 March

You are understanding it incorrectly.

I am saying the two are not always mutually exclusive.

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  • tcpip4lyfe
  • 1 Points
  • 01:02:38, 18 March

I would guess it's split between people who have been here 3 weeks and people who have been here 5+ months.

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  • ycnz
  • 140 Points
  • 20:39:56, 17 March

I disagree. "Just doing their job" isn't an excuse for doing bad things. Lucy and her devs have worked hard to earn our disapprobation.

Your proposal isn't going to solve anything, you're just trying to silence criticism. I can understand why EA might do that on their forums - why would you want it here?

There's nothing we can do to fix this game, other than complain, and encourage people to boycott it until it's fixed. There's no constructive engagement whatsoever when it's an artificial constraint imposed for reasons other than gameplay.

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  • aldehyde
  • 17 Points
  • 22:57:54, 17 March

Yeah I have given them the benefit of the doubt for 2 weeks now and things are only getting worse.

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  • ycnz
  • 10 Points
  • 23:04:30, 17 March

I'm mainly just smug that I cancelled my two preorders.

And, really disappointed that I had to. :(

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  • faceshitter
  • 1 Points
  • 00:33:13, 18 March

I would've spent 100 dollars on SimCity 5. I might give this one a whirl once it hits 15.

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  • katbyte
  • 1 Points
  • 00:42:13, 18 March

I think that is why there is so much anger and criticism, people wanted a new simcity so bad, were so excited, and then fail.

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  • TheCynicalGamer
  • 5 Points
  • 23:58:49, 17 March

>I can understand why EA might do that on their forums - why would you want it here?

Quite frankly judging by their responses in this thread it's obvious that they were offered fat stacks of money.

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  • katbyte
  • 2 Points
  • 00:43:29, 18 March

>that they were offered fat stacks of money

You think that? i mean my first reaction was "omg is this subreddit gonna become a shill for EA" but i never considered EA paying the mods money to try and turn the tide of anger.... but given everything it honestly wouldn't surprise me.

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  • nofuture09
  • 3 Points
  • 00:12:37, 18 March

Yep, why silence the criticism now? EA effed up and it is a huge thing that doesnt need to be censored.

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  • TheCyberGlitch
  • 39 Points
  • 22:19:46, 17 March

The flow of criticism, constructive or otherwise, will slow down over time as people lose interest. It's only been two days since Lucy served us all more bullshit via here "straight answers," and on a daily basis modders are unraveling just how big a lie the bullshit was a week ago, and the week before.

Give things a few weeks to settle once EA/Maxis stops spewing bullshit, and you'll see the Reddit calm down. No need for Draconian censorship.

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  • Druidika
  • 293 Points
  • 19:05:09, 17 March

Oh come on, a few days ago you mods even changed the subscriber numbers to "getFudgedPopulation". Why the change now?

A subreddit will always show just what the community thinks are the most important things. Currently that is not praise. If EA improves the game, that will change. The mods cannot change anything meaningful about that process though.

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  • defuu
  • 87 Points
  • 19:31:00, 17 March

Well you know... it's kinda like the EA forums. They just delete the posts they don't like.

Though of course people shouldn't bash other people for liking the game and vice versa, and generally have some decency in their posts.

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  • Ailure
  • 21 Points
  • 19:17:58, 17 March

Mods aren't saying that you need to praise EA, Maxis or anything but at least being more insightful with the critique than nasty namecalling.

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  • Landeyda
  • 117 Points
  • 20:17:45, 17 March

Is calling them 'liars' nasty namecalling?

They did lie. That is not an opinion, it's a statement of fact.

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  • lordsleepyhead
  • 62 Points
  • 20:54:27, 17 March

I agree. "Liars" is acceptable in this case because it is truthful. Also backpedaling and attempting damage control through the use of condescending PR-lingo and weasel words. Shameful stuff.

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  • MF-Brofist
  • 9 Points
  • 20:52:21, 17 March

Calling someone a liar is different than calling them "pieces of shit" or "cunt" or "asshole money-grubbing fuck nuggets."

Whether what they've said was an outright lie or just a misunderstanding is up to debate (depending on what specific thing they're alleged to be lying about), but other forms of name calling aren't ok.

I'm not calling you out, just adding to what you said.

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  • Begend
  • 31 Points
  • 21:12:44, 17 March

I'm not on here 24 hours a day, but in the time I have been browing this sub I have not really seen stuff like that, and when I do it's usually next to a lot of downvotes. I don't understand what the issue is here.

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  • lordsleepyhead
  • 16 Points
  • 21:26:50, 17 March

I agree. Besides, there are much more fun and creative insults to come up with. Referring to Ms Bradshaw as a contumelious pissant is the most fun one can have in relation to SimCity at the moment.

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  • ragequitan
  • 9 Points
  • 21:54:53, 17 March

Source on these posts? I've never seen them.

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  • WaiHalloThaar
  • 2 Points
  • 23:35:06, 17 March

http://www.reddit.com/r/SimCity/comments/1adu1z/cansomeoneoveratmaxistakeanewspaperand/ (584 upvotes when I last checked)

http://www.reddit.com/r/SimCity/comments/1adu1z/cansomeoneoveratmaxistakeanewspaperand/c8wr3np (5 upvotes when I checked)

http://www.reddit.com/r/SimCity/comments/1aeubo/ivefinallyfiguredoutwhatreallyticksmeoff/ is full of delicious, personal insults (364 upvotes when I checked)

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  • Druidika
  • 19 Points
  • 19:41:06, 17 March

It's impossible to give constructive critique when it comes to their host of server issues, including completely lost cities and rollbacks.

EDIT because this post is already down to 0 points: How do you propose constructive feedback on server issues? It's "easy" for traffic problems, where we can see the behavior and propose better algorithms, as has been done. We don't know what's wrong with their servers though.

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  • loveisdead
  • 7 Points
  • 20:07:50, 17 March

The issue is not that people are unhappy with EA, its the unconstructive way it has been expressed. We have one of the most powerful tools in providing feedback to the developers, and it is being squandered.

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  • yendorii
  • 15 Points
  • 21:55:03, 17 March

Exactly what kind of constructive feedback can we give? Most of us are not programmers to be able to say exactly how to fix this crap. We know that it is crap though, and keep presenting new ways in which it is crap. That isn't constructive, but it is informative. Constructiveness is an idiotic threshold in this situation.

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  • katbyte
  • 2 Points
  • 00:38:35, 18 March

I'm a developer and a GIS major (spatial analysis/agent based modeling is what i focused on in school) and while i could provide very good feedback on how to fix the issues and why their simulation is so inherently broken i feel like nothing i say would be listened to or matter. This is because of the things EA (lucy) has said, things the developers have said, the obvious disconnect between devs and management, and that if they had consulted anyone from GIS who has agent based spatial modelling experience and decent skills they would have been told straight up to not do it the fucked up way they did.

If they were interested in actually making a proper simulation they wouldn't have made many of the choices they did, took the horrendous shortcuts they did nor would they have released such a broken product.

My only hope is they make if offline, open the AI/sim up to modders and people with actual passion and talent like the SC4 NAM devs can fix the agents. I for one would love SC5 to become a platform on that i could toy with agent AI, because it is goddamn beautiful and agent interaction when done right even more so.

(in SC4 modders were able to change the entirety of the game to fix how traffic works, sadly in SC5 do you think they will EVER let anyone mod the game to that degree??)

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  • r2v_
  • 11 Points
  • 21:39:12, 17 March

Do you think EA will listen to the feedback?

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  • jhendrix7000
  • 4 Points
  • 21:24:29, 17 March

just created a new subreddit, without these restrictions: /r/EASimCity2013

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  • jjjaaammm
  • 1 Points
  • 23:31:55, 17 March

i was about to say the same thing.

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  • markevens
  • 27 Points
  • 22:36:52, 17 March

My honest opinion?

Just let it die down naturally. Give it a week and all of these posts will go away and only the people who actually play the game will be the only ones posting again.

Don't censor. Let people bitch, moan, post memes in frustration. It really will die down in another week or so. Censoring is only going to piss more people off who are already pissed off.

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  • GaugeFOREVER
  • 4 Points
  • 00:09:36, 18 March

Any attempt at censorship will have a result far worse than the above mentioned solution. Your goal is to get SimCity back on track. The fastest way to that is to let this happen naturally. If censorship happens, you will only prolong the hatred and anger, as well as generating some for yourselves.

EDIT: Also, all this hate has turned A LOT of people on to SimCity 4 and Tropico 4. Which I think the mods would view as a good thing.

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  • SamosaSultan
  • 58 Points
  • 19:51:08, 17 March

The problem with this kind of edict is the same problem that exists with the new Sim City itself. It defines how we can interact in an extremely narrow way- so narrow, that the interactions just become shallow.

As someone who used to fall asleep watching youtube videos of OTHER PEOPLE playing as a lullaby during the betas, I can understand the frustration of people on both sides; those who are upset are right to be upset for so so so many reasons, but those who want to return to normalcy want people to shut up or at least behave in a way that doesn't make the entire community seem like a group of assholes.

But reddit doesn't work that way... that is why there are upvotes and downvotes. Upvote what you want to see and downvote the things you don't. Before launch, there were so many "circlejerk-ish" posts about every trickle of information that came out, dismissing any legitimate questions or concerns with "oh, that shouldn't be a problem, you are just being cynical... things will work out in the end", and just plain rudeness to anyone who wasn't as into the SimCity fold as we may have been.

Now, it has swung the other way, and people are upset. Deal with it. I've seen more DAE actually enjoy playing? posts than unoriginal meme posts even during the initial clusterfuck! Most criticisms are self-posts and aren't as karma whore-ish as people are letting on because you don't get karma from self posts.

Ultimately, what I'm trying to say is don't force people into behaving in a certain way, encourage them to behave in a certain way through promoting what you like, ignoring what you don't, and not complaining about your own posts if they go one way or another. There are plenty of other SimCity dedicated subreddits, and even other game alternatives, so if you don't like it, do what you've been telling others to do, and go away until things return normally BY THEMSELVES!

TLDR: Don't make /r/SimCity 's philosophy be like the new SimCity's execution.

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  • willray411
  • 76 Points
  • 20:56:46, 17 March

Well when this changes I will unsubscribe. I love SimCity but haven't purchased the game because I was on vacation and came back to all the game problems.

But I have enjoyed many of the pictures people have posted, and all the funny comments people have posted. I also feel like it has helped fuel all the problems being found in this game more than the obvious Online Only problem.

If you want to change the subreddit, fine, but EA isn't going to change anything and you might have much more luck and a better response by creating a separate subreddit for your ideal SimCity subreddit you are proposing.

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  • MrCheeze
  • 3 Points
  • 00:47:37, 18 March

That's kinda the goal, people who are just here for the complaining aren't really wanted.

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  • xMunch
  • 50 Points
  • 20:50:48, 17 March

r/SimCityStrategy Is where the more serious at heart people are currently, don't have to browse through pages of nonsense to get a decent read.

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  • Begend
  • 17 Points
  • 21:08:52, 17 March

Ok, this is good to know. Everyone, please upvote this. It sounds like /r/SimCityStrategy is going to be a great place for meme free/ EA bashing free talk. I feel like knowing alternate subreddits are really going to help here. I'd also like to see what alternatives are available for a completely free discussion about this EA/ Maxis debacle.

Again, I worry about this move to censor the subreddit, as it is going to give the false impression to EA/ Maxis and the outside world that we are no longer upset about this. I really feel that altering this subreddit is a big mistake. I have been lurking a long time, and before this all happened the pro simcity comments and posts were the leading the discussion with any comments or posts speculating concerns or pointing out possible problems (always online) would get down voted. I really feel like this knee-jerk reaction is a mistake. Things will mellow out in time, and the community here will self police that. With those little down vote buttons.

by all means, please remove any racist or personal attacks. But this is just too far.

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  • I_am_Norwegian
  • 4 Points
  • 21:36:59, 17 March

Thank you so much for that. Hopefully there's some SC4 over there also.

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  • tcpip4lyfe
  • 1 Points
  • 01:00:34, 18 March

When he created that subreddit, I posted a comment about there wasn't a need for a new subreddit and how it will die down when the servers came back.

I really couldn't have been more wrong.

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  • Begend
  • 36 Points
  • 20:44:49, 17 March

Can anyone suggest an alternate subreddit? Seriously, though. I'm not looking for a "simcitycirclejerk" type suggestion. I want a place I can go and continue being informed on the bans, and other atrocious missteps EA and Maxis continue taking. I know /r/gaming covers some of this, but I really appreciated the topics on modding and more in depth news articles and topics posted by modders showcasing their investigation into this debacle. I also don't mind the memes. I'm still pretty upset about all of this. I'm not saying I want to be able to curse and be a total asshole here, not at all. I'm saying that I don't like knowing that posts are being censored. That's what up votes and down votes are for. I don't like the idea that on top of all the censorship on all the other forums, it's also happening here too. This seems like a slippery slope, heading in a direction that weeds out all "anti EA/ Maxis" discussion. So again, where can I go? is there an r/savesimcity or something along those lines?

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  • Konung_
  • 9 Points
  • 22:30:22, 17 March

I think you misunderstood the point of the mods statement. The way I see it the mods don't want to change the content on the subreddit just the way it is being delivered. I have actually stopped visiting /r/simcity because most post are just bashing the developers instead of telling them how to improve the game in a proper fashion.

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  • Revisor007
  • 5 Points
  • 23:51:33, 17 March

There are A LOT of posts with constructive criticism here. It just seems they are useless and being ignored.

The developers have fled from the (deserved) wrath.

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  • tearr
  • 7 Points
  • 23:44:48, 17 March

Reddit isn't for developers, it is the information the users want. Personally I'm way more intrested in what ea/maxis does, what modders does and other general stuff like that.

Me and I guess most other redditors couldn't give a shit about constructive criticism to develpers, because none of us are devs. I don't know how that could become a big thing.

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  • killslayer
  • 4 Points
  • 23:44:56, 17 March

How is it our responsibility to be respectful to them when they have now repeatedly insulted our intelligence

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  • Taubin
  • 2 Points
  • 23:44:46, 17 March

Is /r/electronicarts being controlled by them? If not, it would seem to me to be the place to go. Or start up something like /r/easucks or something? Just an honest suggestion

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  • Landeyda
  • 78 Points
  • 19:53:31, 17 March

Isn't that the purpose of the up/down voting? If the community doesn't want to see something, it won't be on the frontpage.

Just because a minority of people doesn't enjoy the venting doesn't mean posts need to be removed. If a post doesn't add value to the community, then the community will downvote it.

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  • creesch
  • 29 Points
  • 20:47:15, 17 March

Up and down votes actually do not work that well because of something that is often called the "fluff principle"

> The most dangerous thing for the frontpage is stuff that's too easy to upvote. If someone proves a new theorem, it takes some work by the reader to decide whether or not to upvote it. An amusing cartoon takes less. A rant with a rallying cry as the title takes zero, because people vote it up without even reading it.

> Hence what I call the Fluff Principle: on a user-voted news site, the links that are easiest to judge will take over unless you take specific measures to prevent it.

^From ^a ^article ^by ^Paul ^Graham

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  • katbyte
  • 1 Points
  • 00:48:02, 18 March

i always ignore votes and focus on what has the most comments, maybe Reddit should start taking comment counts into consideration when ranking posts. (or does it already)

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  • BritishEnglishPolice
  • 16 Points
  • 20:27:02, 17 March

Upvoting and downvoting doesn't work once communities go past a certain size. I see meme posts in /r/wtf that have 200,300 upvotes, but all with comments that call out how crappy it is.

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  • Landeyda
  • 9 Points
  • 20:42:48, 17 March

I agree. 23k is not that size, however.

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  • GaugeFOREVER
  • 2 Points
  • 00:13:05, 18 March

I'll also point out that this is just how reddit works. If you have a problem with that, then maybe reddit is not the best place for you. Censoring people to try to get around reddit's philosophy is not going to go over well.

I do find it perfectly reasonable to ask people to be a little more civil though. But then, there is a large difference between asking, and telling.

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  • WickedHardscaper
  • 2 Points
  • 21:31:29, 17 March

A lot of people here would highly value and upvote Lucy Bradshaw's home phone number. Doesn't mean it should be top (or existent) post in the subreddit (or on reddit at all).

I would contend in response to mods that a post "Don't lie to us or spin why this game is online, because that's bullshit" is a highly constructive post and opinion. I concede that "EA is the spawn of Satan" is not.

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  • jrobinson3k1
  • 1 Points
  • 00:59:14, 18 March

Then what's the point of mods?

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  • AghaChris
  • 50 Points
  • 19:42:45, 17 March

This is going way too far. While I agree that posting about EA and Origin without anything to do with SimCity digresses too much, at the same time, your new rules are going so far to censor poor reviews and legitimate complaints and bugs that other users might find interesting and noteworthy. Not everyone can come up with a "solution" after finding a problem, nonetheless, you shouldn't censor them completely. I find it very disturbing that you are taking this step towards censorship. I find it more disturbing that there are so many ppl voting this up and I am unsure how many votes are legitimate vs paid third party users being hired by EA.

If this reddit is to "get back on track" with positive carebear posts like you want then we shouldn't lie and kid ourselves about how bad SimCity 5 is and then censor any negative posts about it, instead we should continue to push for a higher standard of gaming and development, including significant improvements to SimCity 5. Negative posts will subside once the product is improved, thus you shouldn't try to force ppl's hand. Let EA fix the game (if that's even possible) and then you'll see the negative around here slow down a bit.

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  • lordsleepyhead
  • 11 Points
  • 21:18:55, 17 March

Though the idea that we should all be civil when expressing the myriad of complaints redditors have had with this game so far is commendable, I think you will find that the initial wave of disappointment has turned into outright anger in light of the developments of this past week. Redditors need to express their anger, which I believe is justified, and it just so happens that the English language has a specific subset of words for just such a purpose.

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  • endertargaryen
  • 4 Points
  • 00:00:12, 18 March

"EA bashing, Origin bashing and other things that only attract hate."

Did it occur to you we need hate? We need furious fans of the series. I for one will dance a freaking jig if all the "hate" makes this not turn into another Spore - quickly forgotten.

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  • _fesT
  • 1 Points
  • 00:43:18, 18 March

If hate did anything to sway publishers like EA then Mass Effect 3 would have gotten a retcon'd ending instead of the bullshit it did get.

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  • MagFreakingNeto
  • 4 Points
  • 00:22:48, 18 March

Is this surprising? Maxis/EA have repeatedly lied to the consumers and have shipped a game with servers that continue to have issues ON TOP of not working for close to a week, once we get onto the servers with some success, we are met with a game that frankly is a beta we've paid $60+ for.

Our game needs online - no it doesn't, I can disconnect and play fine for a while. Our game is too complex for systems to run without our servers! - yeah, and my calculator can run Crysis. Insert more...

and I'm still waiting for cheetah speed. Is that going to disappear like Diablo 3 multiplayer?

The way this has been handled is pathetic. The idea that this game had a beta before hand and still shipped like this is hilarious, and the fact something this level of screwed up came out of a multi-million dollar company is embarrassing.

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  • testing1231
  • 13 Points
  • 21:49:54, 17 March

" ...Some of you may quickly side with the company on this and see it as an honest mistake. However, I should remind you that this is the same company who staged a fake Christian protest, a fake gay protest, a company who may pay viral marketers to troll popular threads as a form of damage control, a company who recently had a marketer outed and banned from NeoGaf, a company who got caught red-handed trying to fix an employee's honest remarks, and the company responsible for doing this to SimCity: " Source:http://www.cinemablend.com/games/EA-Censors-SimCity-Support-Number-Cutback-Refund-Requests-53730.html

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  • _SynthesizerPatel_
  • 27 Points
  • 20:59:46, 17 March

In other words, this subreddit is about to get very boring and very empty.

  • [-]
  • Darth_Kyofu
  • 17 Points
  • 21:15:58, 17 March

If someone discovers a way to mod the game, actually turn it a good one, etc. is it allowed to post? If not, then I call bribe.

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  • jabari74
  • 17 Points
  • 18:42:49, 17 March

Could we get a sidebar link to some known bugs/issues/common questions? Such as the water issue (running out of water - put your pumps next to a sewage treatment plant) or vehicles that get stuck at a point and never move and by doing so block traffic permanently.

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  • Speciou5
  • 4 Points
  • 00:38:48, 18 March

Looks like I can actually resubscribe to this subreddit now instead of getting annoyed when I see yet another foaming at the mouth post show up on my front page.

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  • sm4k
  • 3 Points
  • 00:49:02, 18 March

I think the comments here are perfectly representative of how the subreddit has been behaving. You take one piece of feedback and crank it to 11 and then get upset at what you project is being said. I don't understand the claims of Censorship. Why even have moderators if we don't want to empower them to remove repetitive and damaging posts (which I would say the post that listed Lucy's EA email address qualifies as).

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  • Benzagel
  • 22 Points
  • 19:16:41, 17 March

Good idea. But how do you expect people to react when the company flat out lies all the time? I think that is one of hte main issues why there are so many negativity towards Maxis / EA and the game itself. If they admit they made a mistake, there wouldn't be so much backlash.

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  • blacksunseven
  • 15 Points
  • 20:41:03, 17 March

Looks like the EA PR team has finally gotten the mods too. A "circlejerk" and community outrage are two separate things. I agree hateful speech is over the top but don't start down the dark road of censoring people's complaints because you don't think they're "legitimate".

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  • meso_geso
  • 13 Points
  • 21:43:04, 17 March

so you don't like a circlejerk hating the game, but a circlejerk loving the game

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  • doEE
  • 4 Points
  • 21:44:59, 17 March

This is basically what they are encouraging and you can already see it. Notice all the people getting downvoted in this thread because the HAPPY HAPPY crew doesn't agree with them. Downvoting people because of differing opinions is why the upvoting and downvoting system is just straight up flawed.

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  • sostopher
  • 1 Points
  • 00:50:31, 18 March

I'm seeing more people downvoted for agreeing with the mods than those against. They are just saying personal attacks and insults aren't allowed. You can complain about the game to your heart's content.

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  • greggers23
  • 19 Points
  • 19:45:05, 17 March

Only constructive posts are allowed: Posts that clearly define the problem and give possible solutions. Posts that are pure bashing or don't offer any sensible advice will be deleted. Only posts that are directly related to the game, thus excluding general EA bashing, Origin bashing and other things that only attract hate.

Get ready to ban most of your audience. Might as well start with me. Your version of constructive and mine are sure to clash and your version of Directly related to the game and mine are certainly going to clash.

I can understand the halting of name calling, but placing blame is not name calling. This is a center for discussing Simcity, Right now there are many that are observing the flaws and bringing them to light. If not here, where? Who would be responsible for major game mechanics being flawed? Why can we not mention the companies name and why is this not also seen as constructive?

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  • Rekoro
  • 11 Points
  • 21:48:46, 17 March

All it needed to get a mod deleting my post is calling them thiefs and grifters in it. is this an insult that should be deleted ? i disagree! Can a mod tell me what their definition of a company is that uses false advertising and lying to get money out of customers ? i still asume you guys are bought off, and as stated before, looking at ea´s recent attempts to shut down the rant this seems not so far away to me :P

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  • Rekoro
  • 3 Points
  • 23:05:50, 17 March

this is the post that got deleted: i was refering to why they deserve the rant.

at the point they scamed ppl for their money they lost their right to be treated well. They are thiefs and grifters lying to our faces, ignoring us and overall give a shit about what they have done. not even an apology for the bad game and all their lies. Beeing polite and civil wont get us anywhere. if ppl stop bashing around they just get away with it, and for me that should not happen."

-Disclaimer-

while i really think that beeing polite and civil wont help us at all, i´m not supporting toxic insults or personal attacks/threats. insulting a person individual (cunt,cock sucker what ever) is a step to far. calling ea something like that is fine to me since they ve done everything to deserve it

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  • mackie11
  • 24 Points
  • 20:54:06, 17 March

How much did EA pay you? I'm thinking of starting a forum.

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  • Begend
  • 7 Points
  • 21:22:43, 17 March

I don't have time to start one, but how about calling it /r/fixsimcity

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  • Snowmanwithatophat
  • 15 Points
  • 20:04:56, 17 March

Does this mean we are not allowed to be outraged when they screw a age old title?

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  • Barie2
  • 9 Points
  • 22:39:31, 17 March

Maybe when the game is in a better state and EA cleaned their garbage up, it would be reasonable to try to take measures like this. but EA delivered a product that is just a scaled up version of the sims 3, with tons of broken features. When EA & Maxis add the feature's they promised to be in the game (working servers, actual traffic AI,Global market,leaderboards, working intercity interactions, decent moddingsupport, cloud save's and bigger cities) then would be the time to start moderating like this. At the moment EA deserves a lawsuit and a good bashing,not the mercy of the reddit moderators.

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  • Astroturfer
  • 8 Points
  • 22:43:18, 17 March

"a huge circlejerk representing only hate and disrespect."

RRrrrrrrealy? These companies released a broken game running on ill-prepared servers just two weeks ago -- and by and large it's still very broken. It's unfortunate the very blunt but honest response to that has drowned more subtle discourse and ruined the previous cozy nerd ambiance, but really all you need to do as a mod is wait two months for people to get bored and your problem is solved without you having to post any of this. Post just seems like a bucket of chum dumped in already cloudy water.

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  • Cynical_Hermit
  • 6 Points
  • 23:42:58, 17 March

Well said.

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  • ajcoll5
  • 6 Points
  • 21:28:43, 17 March

/r/SimCityUncensored

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  • r2v_
  • 2 Points
  • 23:26:54, 17 March

I thought I will make /r/SimCityUncensored

You beat me to it.

:)

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  • Sefam
  • 8 Points
  • 22:06:06, 17 March

Whelp. Off to subjective censorship modland we go.

"Get Simcity back on track". Yea, Maxis shipped a broken game quite obviously under duress by EA. Any responsible development house/publisher would have delayed the game.

Got my refund for the game, I'm done with this crap.

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  • vitoos
  • 12 Points
  • 21:14:26, 17 March

Sounds more like a suppression of a free speech. If people dislike the game and want to express their opinion - let them. Otherwise this just an example of another moderator abusing his power. I think it would be wise for me to not come back to this subreddit.

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  • Boston_Jason
  • 2 Points
  • 00:19:52, 18 March

EA/Maxis (same people) deserve whatever hate they personally get. This game is nothing but a bait-and-switch. It isn't that the game is crap - it is that it does not work as advertised and they are not allowing for refunds.

Devs knew what would go on when launch day occurred. Lucy knew what storm was brewing when she didn't stand up to the EA VP that will only green-light games with micro-transactions.

They failed the "fans" (an insulting term). They deserve to be help personally responsible until all users are allowed an easy path for a refund.

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  • tcpip4lyfe
  • 2 Points
  • 00:55:45, 18 March

Good. This subreddit has been out of control the last 3 weeks. It was so much better when it was small.

  • [-]
  • jrobinson3k1
  • 2 Points
  • 00:58:04, 18 March

Everyone realizes that if you don't like the subreddit and its rules, you can make your own subreddit, right? That's how reddit works. I'll probably get downvoted for suggesting such a reasonable thing, or perhaps for being smug about it, but while subreddits are mostly community-driven, they're not community owned unless the owner of the subreddit chooses for it to be.

I know that's the ole "If you don't like it, leave!" mentality, but it's a pretty simple process. If you want a subreddit without rules, make a subreddit without rules.

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  • stumpyraccoon
  • 2 Points
  • 00:58:05, 18 March

Bring the banhammer swift and painfully. I'm so sick and tired of this subreddit and the /r/gaming infestation that's taken place.

  • [-]
  • Geofferic
  • 18 Points
  • 19:11:28, 17 March

... and somebody got to the mods.

:)

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  • jackblack2323
  • 20 Points
  • 19:59:29, 17 March

EA gave the mods money

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  • GrubFisher
  • 7 Points
  • 22:23:03, 17 March

Please don't censor the subreddit! Crack down on really annoying trolls on stuff if they exist, but don't censor the outrage. Just let it flow into more constructive displays of anger. Make sure people post more formally, but not necessarily "nicer." Be brutal. Be truthful. Be civilized and don't censor!

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  • infiniminor
  • 11 Points
  • 23:09:38, 17 March

In other words:
BREAKING NEWS - EA started giving out handjobs to /r/SimCity mods

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  • sostopher
  • 1 Points
  • 00:51:44, 18 March

Exactly the type of shitposting they want to get rid of. Nice one.

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  • KY4
  • 12 Points
  • 19:45:34, 17 March

First you can get banned by Origin for complaining about the game and now get complaints removed from this subreddit? Have we lost our minds? I totally agree about posting personal information, personal attacks, etc. That should not be tolerated and I appreciate the moderators taking action.

However, this game is simply bad and not even designed in the spirit of the franchise. If the discussion of my previous opinion can't occur on this subreddit where can/should it?

This subreddit has been my ONLY resource for the TRUTH about what is going on with patches, news, bugs, server availability, etc. I hope the moderators don't take this too far and turn this into a cheerleading subreddit for a mediocre MMO.

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  • sostopher
  • 1 Points
  • 00:47:29, 18 March

>First you can get banned by Origin for complaining about the game

That was never proven. And doesn't make sense.

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  • GetToDahChoppah
  • 9 Points
  • 20:26:50, 17 March

Completely agree, personal attacks on someone based on race, gender, culture, etc... really shouldn't be part of /r/SimCity. I really hate how this has been handled by EA/Maxis and I believe most of us have learned our lesson: "Vote with your wallet". Going as low as insulting someone personally is just not classy (although level-headed criticism on their behavior/response to the situation is definitely warranted).

I know we are all mad and want to vent!

When it comes to criticisms of the game, I think most people are just getting tired of bitching about the problems and I've already seen a huge drop in complaint posts since the Maxis peeps have cut and run from this subreddit. I've personally moved onto other games (including SimCity 4). We're tired of complaining and seeing our complaints go unnoticed and/or avoided by those who can make a difference.

The game (SC2013) is in such a horrible state and lacks so much depth, I already see the number of SC4 related posts right dramatically since launch of SC 2013.

It is pretty clear by this point that we've been duped, it's a good idea to now just move on and be more vigilant with your wallet (I sure will be).

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  • Archetype90
  • 9 Points
  • 22:33:43, 17 March

I don't like the sounds of this. The upvote and downvote buttons are here so that only content that users upvote goes to the front page. If something is on the front page than clearly more users upvoted it rather than downvote it and it should be on the front page. Limiting content to create more "quality" content is a slippery slide to start down.

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  • SynMonger
  • 3 Points
  • 23:11:47, 17 March

Exactly. If you think the content isn't adding to the conversation in a constructive way, downvote and move on. If there's nothing upvoted you want to read, then maybe the subreddit isn't specialized enough for what you want.

Or EA dropped a giant stinkbomb of a game and folks are going to be pissed for a month or two while it gets fixed.

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  • Exlixe
  • 25 Points
  • 18:44:04, 17 March

Understood, we all know Maxis/EA have made some very questionable business decisions, but this subreddit is for quality material about SimCity, positive or negative, let's leave the circlejerking to /r/gaming.

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  • Psyc3
  • 90 Points
  • 19:00:55, 17 March

I think the fact that the game doesn't work in many fundamentally simple respects regards as "quality material about SimCity" and that will be so until they fix it, assuming that fix isn't through a pay for DLC and then if it is everyone once again has the right to post about to inform people about it.

Exploiting your customers is a extremely relevant topic about SimCity and is important to anyone who wants to find information about the game which clearly isn't provided by the commercial gaming media.

The fact is reddit is designed to be a fast flowing news source and therefore these topics need to be post every 1-2 days to keep them on the front page so other users can see that. It isn't a forum, on a forum you could just sticky a post at the top of the forum, listing off the reasons the game doesn't work, on reddit you have to post them and then people will upvote them on the merit of their content.

As for EA bashing, that shouldn't really be here unless it relates to SimCity in the form of a news article, however Origin is a part of the process you have to use to gain access to the game and the fact is they wouldn't give refunds to people who didn't even want to play the game any more, that is relevant to consumers who are playing SimCity or thinking about buy it, if anything it should be reported in its own right as poor, if not illegal with further legal clarification, business practise.

Half the front page is full of problems about the game, because there are so many fundamental problems with the game.

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  • HittingSmoke
  • 16 Points
  • 20:18:30, 17 March

Exactly. I'm afraid this mod post will result in people being silenced for continuing to criticize the always-online requirement. We already see people saying things along the lines of "Enough is enough, we get it, you don't like always online. Give it a rest already and lets talk about parts of the game that are actually broken".

My simple response to that is, "No". That's a part of the game that is unnecessary and has contributed to it being fundamentally broken, resulting in many lost hours for a lot of paying customers. Us moving on to other areas of the game is exactly what EA wants so offline mode can be swept under the rug. We should not stop shouting about the always-online requirement until the very minute that EA releases a patch to allow local saves. That it how change happens, attention. The more we continue to give it attention the more we fuel attention from all around the internet. The more awkward and downright condescending blog posts from Lucy Bradshaw we can garner the better. It means we're making a difference, even if their official response is that we're not. In fact it's the opposite.

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  • Exlixe
  • 26 Points
  • 19:05:57, 17 March

I completely agree, some of the criticism that has found it's way into the subreddit is merited, and adds much to the conversation of the quality of the simulation or the inner workings of SimCity's DRM.

The "LOL LOOK AT THIS TEXT I PUT OVER MAXIS' LOGO, SEE THEY ONLY LIKE MONEY" or "LUCY YOUR VISION IS GARBAGE" posts are volatile and frivilous and attract flocks of people who post equally volatile comments, and push away the developers of this game and prevent any intimate conversations between Maxis and SimCity's Reddit community.

I'm not saying that those subjects aren't worth talking about, they are, very much so, but let's be a little more civil about it.

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  • Ailure
  • -1 Points
  • 19:20:27, 17 March

BUGFIX 20 USD LOL

If it would trim out the dumb jokes that sets like a plague on the discussion threads, I'm all for the trimming.

  • [-]
  • trbooth
  • 4 Points
  • 22:34:26, 17 March

Censorship for expediency's sake. Is there anything worse?

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  • Blarghedy
  • 3 Points
  • 20:19:22, 17 March

This, thank you. Every time anyone comments about a solution to something or a problem someone else says "but that'll be a $15 DLC." It's not witty. It's not clever. It's not based on fact. It's just annoying.

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  • Psyc3
  • 9 Points
  • 21:58:18, 17 March

Indeed, it is a circle jerk topic, but if you really believe that any kind of new road system allowing you to actually stream line your city (excluding a pathway algorithm) isn't going to be in the form of pay for DLC, you are deluding yourself. I honestly don't think EA is going to add any fundamental new features to this game, however necessary they are, without making people pay for them.

The only thing they are going to do is change background code, which could significantly improve many aspects, but with never negate some fundamental missing features.

  • [-]
  • sostopher
  • 2 Points
  • 00:41:28, 18 March

SimCity 4's new road system was a paid expansion that cost almost as much as the full game when it came out (here in Australia anyway).

  • [-]
  • The_Arctic_Fox
  • 6 Points
  • 21:50:59, 17 March

You may not consider it witty or clever, but as we found it with the marina, it's true.

  • [-]
  • sostopher
  • 1 Points
  • 00:41:54, 18 March

It's a marina, not a bug fix or vital core gameplay mechanic.

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  • Augwich
  • 3 Points
  • 19:07:30, 17 March

There's a difference between pointing out/commenting about the flaws of the game and shitting on the game/developers/community. Let's aim for the former and not the latter.

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  • remixof1983
  • 3 Points
  • 19:06:54, 17 March

it's all about how those problems and their cases are presented. most of the stuff being posted here nowadays is just hatred and bashing. i'm all for constructive criticism and we're seeing a fair amount of that, but we need to filter out the nonsense.

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  • Psyc3
  • 18 Points
  • 19:13:22, 17 March

I don't disagree. However, at some points the game has really just become a bit of a joke, the traffic system for one, it is just rather pathetic.

The only constructive criticism you can put against it is, "Pay someone to code a traffic algorithm", they literally haven't even bothered to code a key function to the game to any reasonable level of intelligence.

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  • TwistedMexi
  • 18 Points
  • 19:27:32, 17 March

it's become apparent to me that their "vision" for SimCity belonged in a Facebook game. I'm not bashing, just observing: When originally announced it seemed they wanted the game to be modding community oriented. Since then, we've seen the policy of suppressing mods, hacks, workarounds, etc, a planned SimCity Store, and certainly we'll see plenty of full DLC for the game. Not to forget the statement Bradshaw made indicating they look at this as an MMO and the game isn't complete/won't be complete. This makes it apparent that mods will be suppressed in favor of selling micro-content from the store and making the major source of DLC EA-only.

Essentially, from observation it seems they want a to charge you a full $60 for the game, then use a free-to-play structure, on top of offering (probably over-priced) expansions.

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  • Exlixe
  • 7 Points
  • 19:43:42, 17 March

Speaking of the modding part of your comment and DLC plans, this should not have come as a surprise to people who have seen how EA's business model has affected The Sims franchise, however I don't think EA or Maxis sees mods as a threat (other than the ones that circumvent Maxis-made roadblocks, i.e. cheetah speed, and offline play).

The official forums for EA games have always been off limits for mods, it's always been EA's policy, I don't like it but it hasn't prevented other people from starting websites (i.e. Mod the Sims or Simtropolis) that provide plenty of mods and have a very active modding community.

I can't predict what EA/Maxis will do with SimCity in terms of modding or DLC, but if they didn't want modding they wouldn't have used the same storage format that The Sims 3 and Spore use, which is a completely open format.

Edit: Obviously what Maxis/EA decide to do with modding is ultimately down to them and none of us can predict whether or not they will disable debug mode or the internal javascript console or other things people have dug out from inside the game's files. This is mostly just wishful speculation coming from someone who REALLY REALLY REALLY wants Maxis to turn this game around and not get in modders' way of helping them do that.

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  • Psyc3
  • 3 Points
  • 22:00:32, 17 March

Honestly what is going to happen is someone is going to crack it, then all the mods will either be made for that cracked version, or there will be no good mods as they will be blocked by EA.

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  • willow731
  • 1 Points
  • 21:08:49, 17 March

I wonder if a lot of their stance isn't just because of the online nature of the game; they just don't want to deal with the headache that can come from people having wildly different content, so they just take the policy of "We don't advise you to use those mods because we cannot support all of them." And, it is definitely true that while some problems with Sims 2 and Sims 3 expansions have been bugs, a whole lot of problems have come from user-created content that just wasn't compatible with a new expansion and wasn't removed before installing said expansion.

  • [-]
  • trbooth
  • 4 Points
  • 22:37:52, 17 March

Your post has been deleted due to nonsense.

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  • af_mmolina
  • 4 Points
  • 00:21:56, 18 March

Thank god. Maybe the developers from Maxis will come back too so we can actually have a civil discussion and offer suggestions about the status of the game with them from time to time.

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  • flappers87
  • 8 Points
  • 21:27:09, 17 March

I think this is outrageous.

You are now censoring this sub reddit... everyone deserves the right to vent about the game. In fact, if a potential buyer of the game comes to this sub reddit now, they will get the right idea, and not buy the game.

But if they come to the subreddit after this censorship, then they will get the wrong idea about the game and buy it without realizing the problems.

What does it take to get a sub reddit going that accepts both positive and negative criticism?

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  • Pwao
  • 7 Points
  • 21:27:43, 17 March

Cool, let's turn the subbreddir into a circle jerk of SO POSITIVE comments instead. No opinions allowed.

  • [-]
  • mackie11
  • 1 Points
  • 00:36:15, 18 March

the mods, essentialy

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  • KrozzHair
  • 3 Points
  • 00:11:26, 18 March

first Maxis lies to us. Then EA censor us. And now reddit has fallen too...

Danm reddit, i trusted you, yet you proceed to stab me in the back.

Moderators of this subreddit, i am very deeply dissapointed by you. I thought reddit fought for free speech?

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  • Curtis_Boom
  • 12 Points
  • 19:20:05, 17 March

Sucks to be censored here among friends. Why can people not just vent, if you do not like it downvote it. If EA/Maxis comes here and sees that all is well then they wont change. But if they see 100 people or 500 people like minded saying the same thing, it might help get something actually done.

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  • iamevilbear
  • 10 Points
  • 19:34:35, 17 March

So we are the EA Forums now? Let's delete all the negatives.

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  • cggreene
  • 2 Points
  • 19:43:04, 17 March

Negatives and criticism is welcomed, once you back up your points maturely.

But memes and circlejerking don't belong here.

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  • TheCyberGlitch
  • 3 Points
  • 22:28:53, 17 March

Pretty sure memes were accepted in this subreddit before SC5 came out. What makes them wrong now? What makes a post a meme?

You say circlejerking doesn't belong, but circlejerking is just a bunch of people having the same mentality. Most of the posts here are circlejerks, even the constructive ones.

It ends up being extremely subjective and trivial.

  • [-]
  • dzneill
  • 12 Points
  • 18:37:42, 17 March

We all have criticisms, but the way the discussions have dissolved into personal attacks is unacceptable.

  • [-]
  • devedander
  • 9 Points
  • 22:46:02, 17 March

You mean like this

http://www.reddit.com/r/SimCity/comments/1ahcna/whyeamaxishateshouldnotbecensored/c8xgjxf

?

  • [-]
  • DiabolicallyRandom
  • 24 Points
  • 21:30:06, 17 March

Fuck you and your censorship.

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  • dudelsac
  • -4 Points
  • 19:02:53, 17 March

Well said, comrade!

Adding to dzneill, I wanted to reiterate that posting personal information will not be tolerated. Threads containing personal information will be deleted without exception. This includes Maxis and EA work addresses that aren't publicly available.

Sure, we all would have loved a smoother launch. We all cursed when our cities didn't get saved. But this is no excuse for any personal witch-hunts.

If you see a thread that has personal information in it, please use the report button and also send a message to the mods. The last part is important because we don't get a notification when something gets reported, but we do get one when you send a message to modmail.

Thanks for the cooperation everyone, now let's get /r/simcity back to the constructive place it used to be!

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  • cahaseler
  • 18 Points
  • 21:24:03, 17 March

> Sure, we all would have loved a smoother launch. We all cursed when our cities didn't get saved.

I think we're done bitching about that. People are more concerned right now that the game is fundamentally broken on the level of the agent based mechanics...

  • [-]
  • champcantwin
  • 6 Points
  • 23:31:43, 17 March

It makes me wonder if the mods are even reading the subreddit. Server problems are the least of my concerns right now.

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  • BuckFritzl
  • 6 Points
  • 22:22:05, 17 March

Hi guys, I see the mods do what they love to do and have begun to censor everything they don't like. (happened in /r/cringe once and some other subs) for some reason mods seem to think, "its MY subreddit and you'll all like what I like" kinda sucks but it happens in a lot of subreddits, you can fight it but you have no real power over them unless you start a new subreddit.

and if you are interested in other subreddits that have ridiculous rules, check out /r/gamings reddits #1 source for all things gamings

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  • stbbrad3
  • 15 Points
  • 18:54:08, 17 March

This is what I wanted to see.

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  • Angoth
  • 7 Points
  • 22:07:59, 17 March

Oh, fuck you. Why do you allow posts and comments in the first place? People are pissed off. You're deciding to not allow it any more. Basically, you sat on your hands and hoped the venom would correct itself as the game became playable. When more and more bullshit from EA/Maxis surfaced and in the game, you decided to cut the venom off? You own the asset and you can do what you want with it. But, this is horseshit. Do what you want with your site even if it's just fucking stupid. This is a blatant attempt to get people in general to stop bitching at EA/Maxis across the internet. Here it's just focused and upvoted when it happens.

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  • BuhlmannStraub
  • 13 Points
  • 18:48:10, 17 March

Thank you!! This is so ridiculously necessary, I had pretty much given up making any posts here.

  • [-]
  • Alfredo18
  • 1 Points
  • 19:07:14, 17 March

Same, I was about to unsub for the time being until things settled out.

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  • dzneill
  • -2 Points
  • 19:26:44, 17 March

Thank you for not unsubscribing. We were getting increasingly distressed as well. Hopefully, we'll make this subreddit a better place.

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  • Alfredo18
  • 1 Points
  • 19:35:23, 17 March

I'm a huge Simcity fan, and was big on the SC4 coops that happened last year. It's safe to say I've played SC4 more than any other game I have. So when I see all this hate on the new Simcity, especially when comparing it to SC4, I find it mostly unfounded. Look! SC4 has bigger maps! Look! SC4 has 10 years of mods! Take another look: SC4 vehicles disappear on the roads! SC4 sims are just statistics, NONE are real, the entire population is just a fudged number!

I love making awesome looking regions in SC4, but at the city level, it is far outmatched with the personalization you get with the new Simcity. That's why I wanted the new game, and is why I love it, [fixable] bugs aside. I just want the subreddit to get over itself and start discussing things like this. /r/simcitystrategy is a good start!

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  • ski_or_die
  • 7 Points
  • 21:16:59, 17 March

Lame attempt at censorship. This community is responsible for exposing a heap of predatory business practices and ridiculous behavior.

Since when do the mods get to decide what is valid content? Its decided by the community and upvotes, nothing else. Anyways I'm out! this place is boring now and I'm offended by the whole tone of this conversation

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  • bimbap
  • 4 Points
  • 21:44:43, 17 March

Where are all these memes?

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  • chaletbronco
  • 4 Points
  • 22:22:07, 17 March

Long-time lurker here. Had to make an account just to post that I vehemently disagree with these heavy-handed censorship tactics. I thought Reddit was the land of free speech?

I think its safe to say that many enjoyed the humor coming from those memes and back-handed remarks towards EA. In fact, what the hell was wrong with the memes?

Just from following the news last weeks, it was great to see many reputable sites actually linked to postings in this very subreddit... It's a real shame that the Mods are forcing their vision for r/SimCity down the throats of a what should be a democratic community!

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  • stumpyraccoon
  • 1 Points
  • 00:59:03, 18 March

What's so hard to understand?

Threads about Sim City = ok

Threads generically about EA, threads about Lucy Bradshaw being a cunt, memes about "DAE HATE EA??!?!?" = get the fuck out

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  • idelsr
  • 4 Points
  • 23:26:27, 17 March

The current state of this subreddit: >Look at this fucking garbage. Let's talk about how fucking garbage it is instead of explaining the vast number of reasons that exist for why it is completely fucking garbage.

>Hating EA is cool. Check out what I made 5mins ago on quickmeme.

>Let's all talk about how shitty EA is instead of talking about what's pretty fucking bad about this game.

This thread: >MUH FREEDUMS MUH FREEDUMS TAKING AWAY MUH FREEDUMS.

Holy shit people get a grip. Here's the new rules condensed for TL;DR people: >No memes.

>No doxx'ing

>Write constructive posts.

Is any of this so hard?

Now, SimCity2013 was the blunder of the century and the PR response was pretty horrible, but it is a pretty mediocre game with the constant appropriation of cow clicker mechanics. But you know what? I preferred it when we had 1k subs and a dead frontpage with the only activity being haljackey showing off what cool new interchange/intersection/rail network he made. At least it didn't descend into an enormous circlejerk of fuck EA that infested the frontpage of the subreddit for two weeks.

TL;DR POST YOUR MEMES IN R/GAMING YOU CHUCKLEFUCKS

Edit: requesting weekly Show Us Your X threads to counteract the shit threads. Maybe even a simcity meme subsubreddit to throw all the garbage into.

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  • leffect
  • 2 Points
  • 00:14:26, 18 March

A weekly Show Us Your X thread would be a great addition to the subreddit. I for one would love to see what everyone has to contribute.

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  • idelsr
  • 2 Points
  • 00:21:31, 18 March

I may make one as a test post.

Edit: Here's the test post, for posterity.

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  • _fesT
  • 2 Points
  • 00:50:21, 18 March

> > Write constructive posts.

This is lost on so many people in this thread. They don't realize what the mods are trying to do is get rid of "EA/MAXIS/LUCY ARE A BUNCH OF GIANT CUNTS WHO DESERVE TO GET RAPED REPEATEDLY!!!" and get more of "SimCity was a disappointing game due to these reasons and I am sad that the developers lied to us about these things." No one is trying to get you to stop saying what's wrong with the game. They're trying to make this subreddit be a place for stimulating conversation. Is that really such a bad thing?

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  • idelsr
  • 1 Points
  • 01:03:37, 18 March

I sure wish there was a form of circlejerking where people would do nothing but post meaningful comments that address the issues rationally and calmly, creating a stimulating conversation. I wonder what we can call this amazing discovery?

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  • KaneHart
  • 1 Points
  • 19:31:40, 17 March

Censorship comes to /r/SimCity

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  • SynMonger
  • 5 Points
  • 23:08:39, 17 March

The censorship has moved on from EA's forums to here it seems. The users of the subreddit have spoken.

Removing the valve people are using to blow off steam is big middle finger to a pissed off community.

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  • herooftime99
  • 3 Points
  • 23:26:52, 17 March

Fantastic. I'm enjoying the game, but I don't feel like I can post that in this subreddit without getting downvoted to Oblivion. In fact, I unsubscribed a few days ago because it seems like there's no room for people like me here anymore. This subreddit is strictly for people who hate the game now. People who hate the game are more than welcome to spit vitriol. I'm all for criticism of the game, there's quite a bit of problems with it, sure - but there's also a clear difference between constructive criticism and throwing a tantrum.

We can claim that downvotes/upvotes speak for the community, but lets face it - they only speak for the majority side. It's not this subreddit in particular, but reddit in general seems a bit hypocritical when it's against censorship, yet it's more than okay with hiding the minorities opinion through downvotes. I shouldn't have to feel punished for saying "Hey, you know... I'm having fun with SimCity!" in a subreddit for SimCity.

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  • cole1114
  • 4 Points
  • 22:26:14, 17 March

After the /r/games post that said EA was employing astroturfers to create communities on places such as reddit... I think we know what to think now. If you're censoring criticism of the game, we know who you work for.

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  • michaelwritescode
  • 4 Points
  • 19:52:38, 17 March

Oh give me a break. Another subreddit community destroyed by white knight moderators.

*Edit: The line between "no critisim allowed" and "no insults allowed" is not well defined.

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  • jakj
  • 3 Points
  • 22:25:45, 17 March

Oh good, the "we know best, we get to decide what you'll talk about" crusade has arrived.

You can feel free to remove posts that are actual attacks, defamation, or trolling, but don't try to act like our mothers and tell us what we want to discuss.

Then again, from the look of it, it's too late for that.

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  • ExinX
  • 5 Points
  • 20:04:30, 17 March

Ohh, someone at EA must be really pissed they even try to shut down this subreddit. Shame on you mods. Trying to shut our mouths isn't the way to go.

EDIT (reply to dzneill as his comment got downvoted):

Whose fault it is that people are negative towards EA? Not ours. We expected a great game for which we waited 10 years. What we get? Nice graphics with completely broken mechanics. Do you expect us to be calm? After this bullshit launch? After all those discoveries about broken mechanics? Really? I can understand that you forbid personal attacks, but you go few steps further and try to shut all the negative comments. I am not for making false accusations or posting purely hate posts/comments and those should be deleted. Everything else should be left for the community to decide whether it should go to the main page or not. NOT YOU.

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  • sarawong
  • 3 Points
  • 20:18:07, 17 March

If a post violate Reddit TOS, then delete it. If not, let democracy decide what is on the frontage. I thought that was the point of Reddit when I join. I guess I was wrong.

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  • cggreene
  • 2 Points
  • 22:32:08, 17 March

Yes reddit as a whole.

But subreddits work differently overall.

This should be about simcity.

You dont see gaming posts in /r/pics

or you dont see ask me anythings is /r/WTF

Why should you see memes and circlejerking in /r/simcity ?

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  • NCGAIO
  • 3 Points
  • 22:30:12, 17 March

Well .. Clearly, nobody can be contrary to address an issue civilly, whatever it is but we can not forget that the spaces for real a information not manipulated are rapidly disappearing in actuality.

To expose one side of the issue and to remember that according to John Gaudiosi of forbs -[Drive record number of pc gamers to change org] (http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2013/03/12/ea-maxis-simcity-launch-problems-drive-record-number-of-pc-gamers-to-change-org/?partner=yahootix) Reddit was responsible for 121,000 of 415,000 page views achieved in a week, to the [Petition on the DRM Simcity at change.org] (https://www.change.org/petitions/electronic-arts-inc-remove-always-online-drm-from-simcity-and-future-games) which now has more that 72,000 signatures and missing just over 2000 to reach for the goal.

I think the petition is a more civilized attitude that I know and I'm sure a lot of outrage expressed here was responsible for this incredible brand.

Sure that any abuse should be controlled but there must always be some thought about it, or run the risk of just being contributing to the open spaces diminish even more!

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  • queenx
  • 2 Points
  • 00:28:05, 18 March

I come here to find interesting strategies and common problems on Simcity and what I get is a wall full of whine and disrespect.

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  • Arangarx
  • 0 Points
  • 19:46:49, 17 March

Thank god. We might actually get useful posts now. And to you complaining about censorship, cleaning the shit out of the water isn't censorship, it's filtering.

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  • thesacred
  • 4 Points
  • 21:20:16, 17 March

If "shit in the water" in this metaphor refers to speech you don't like, then actually yeah that is censorship. That's what censorship is.

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  • rocier
  • 1 Points
  • 18:58:25, 17 March

Please, people need an outlet. This will die down eventually and this place will return to your utopia. Unfortunately, it will be the mods and 5 other guys playing simcity 4

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  • r2v_
  • 3 Points
  • 21:01:48, 17 March

This kind of an attempt at censorship is severely misguided. (with caveats)

This will only result in artificially skewed lovey dowey posts, unreasonably and unjustly favourable to the game(s)/companies at hand, voiding any discussion of the game breaking methods and devious schemes employed. (which will be simplistically and wrongly characterized as "bashing")

There will be no defense from the stupendous amount of unchecked shilling/astroturfing that is going on around here.

"Sunlight is required"

If you really succeed in doing this, you will fragment us and we will be forced have our uncensored group/discussion. What will be left will be bad for the gamers.

What is this? The Church of SimCity?

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  • BetYouCanNotTellMe
  • 2 Points
  • 00:20:17, 18 March

Well I did hear rumors of EA PR buying people off - guess they are true.

Only posts that are directly related to the game, thus excluding general EA bashing, Origin bashing and other things that only attract hate.

That means we can't talk about any statements that EA makes given that they aren't "directly related to the game" doesn't it?

Why we should be respectful of those who lied and stole from us I would love for you to explain.

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  • Ishuel
  • 2 Points
  • 00:27:32, 18 March

Aw man this is terrible, now mods are going to censor us just like EA does on their forums. Is there any place a consumer can go anymore to voice their frustration or disappointment at something? I must say I do not normally go on reddit for anything else, but this has been the ONLY place I've been able to go to learn what is really going on within simcity.

So how much did they pay you just curious?

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  • d3barbie
  • 3 Points
  • 21:53:06, 17 March

I knew it was only a matter of time before we'd see the censorship. I think they're bothered Maxis employees quit posting here. Guess that's my cue to no longer follow this subreddit. See ya.

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  • trbooth
  • 4 Points
  • 22:09:30, 17 March

This moderator and other moderators in this subreddit are participating in a gross misuse of reddit according to its original purpose. This post should be deleted and their "authority" should be revoked.

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  • oneshibbyguy
  • 3 Points
  • 22:09:31, 17 March

This post is a troll for EA. Not going to work, this game blows and EA/Maxis needs to fix it pretty damn soon to earn my respect back.

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  • Ch28Kid
  • 2 Points
  • 22:17:35, 17 March

I think the MODS are making a big mistake. They are doing exactly what EA is doing censoring everything from the public.

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  • holyshyeet
  • 4 Points
  • 22:20:31, 17 March

This post is completely and utterly stupid. The entire concept of Reddit is free speech with community voting where majority consensus bring notable speech to the forefront. You morons are now setting boundaries based on your personal preferences. What the fuck? Who the fuck are you?

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  • logan2323
  • 3 Points
  • 22:05:25, 17 March

I can agree that we can get out of hand but the reason for this is, We are sick on game publishers lie to us over and over. There seems to be no way to fight back which leads to the frustration.

I know there is the vote with wallet but that doesn't work and EA knows it.

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  • MachaHack
  • 2 Points
  • 23:02:10, 17 March

I'd just like to suggest that if you're unhappy with Simcity 2013, you should simply play Simcity 4 instead. Especially if you haven't bought Simcity 2013. It hasn't disappeared because Simcity 2013 exists, and I miss the Simcity 4 content that was here before, which has all but disappeared beneath the mostly negative Simcity 2013 posts.

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  • Pair_of_Pants
  • 3 Points
  • 23:21:09, 17 March

I rarely post on reddit but logged in to say this: I come to reddit for the truth, not sugar coated lies. If I wanted to be told how great this game was I would be on their main forums. Reddit in its purest form is an uncensored forum for people to voice their opinions. A subreddit for Simcity should be just that, an uncensored look at Simcity. If people want to bash the current state of the game why censor them. I'm not a programmer and if I was to criticize a game I couldn't offer a solution, if its BROKEN I expect ANYONE to come forward and say hey, your game is fucking broken. FIX IT. It is THEIR Job to find the solution. I'm a paying customer.

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  • Cynical_Hermit
  • 2 Points
  • 23:46:01, 17 March

I don't think they are in anyway trying to censor criticism, but telling people to offer their criticism in a mature, constructive way. In short if you cant criticize/critique without using memes and/or bad language then don't bother.

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  • goodguyblizzard
  • 2 Points
  • 19:43:53, 17 March

I would love for this subreddit to build a list of known major bugs and issues Would a mod be able to start a thread for this?

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  • innociv
  • 1 Points
  • 20:31:43, 17 March

I'm pretty sure people gave "constructive feedback, general ideas, and discussion" when it came to voicing against the tiny cities, simplification, and always online DRM weeks, months, and even nearly a year before the game was actually released.

Why would they listen now?

That said, yes the same post of outrage being posted doesn't help. Sometimes there are three negative topics that are all the same on the front page. I don't disagree there, I'm just pointing out that the thinking they care about what their customers want is a joke.

Better off banning all SimCity5 content and making it about the older games. SimCity4 city and mod posts are the only positive posts that got high ups.

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  • Riddy86
  • 1 Points
  • 23:28:03, 17 March

This is exactly what needs to be done, its a anti EA bandwagon 99% of the time, the game has its faults, we all know it, dont like it? dont buy it / play it.

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  • cggreene
  • -2 Points
  • 19:41:15, 17 March

Thank you!

Seems you mods were paying attention.

Hopefully this sub turns into one that is actually about SimCity!

Thank you again,

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  • bkinley
  • 1 Points
  • 19:42:39, 17 March

Thanks! I just bought simcity after not playing it since the original, and 2000. I came here for thoughts on how to grow my first little city and there's so much shit and anger there's not a whole lot of useful information with all the noise.

I don't like aspects of the launch, DRM or the microtransation-y feel of the front end, but I do think there's a good little game in there.

I don't know if this would be worth pointing out, but the people just posting images of their giant SC4 cities as kind of a "HEY LOOK WHAT YOU CAN'T DO ANYMORE" isn't useful either and kind of passive aggressive.

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  • [deleted]
  • 2 Points
  • 19:56:51, 17 March

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  • stumac85
  • -1 Points
  • 19:47:01, 17 March

I am glad something is being done - I commented before that meme posts should have no place here, this isn't /r/gaming

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  • Szarkan-
  • 1 Points
  • 20:08:23, 17 March

Finally. This place has gotten way too volatile, the launch meant a boom in subscribers, some of which may be here for the wrong reasons now.

Enough attacking Maxis & Bradshaw, Leave it to /r/gaming to hate on EA and contribute to the endless cesspit that is the hivemind on reddit.

  • [-]
  • Crux69
  • -5 Points
  • 18:39:26, 17 March

Yay mods! I can't wait to see constructive material on the front page again :)

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  • leffect
  • -1 Points
  • 19:01:32, 17 March

Thank you very much for this decision. I look forward to seeing the update on the sidebar, and I hope that these new rules will help return this subreddit into a more civil and constructive place.

  • [-]
  • pixelcraze
  • 0 Points
  • 19:03:16, 17 March

This is great! I finally came out of lurking on Reddit because I felt this has gotten out of control! Glad to see these changes happening!

  • [-]
  • GenGerbs
  • 2 Points
  • 21:59:25, 17 March

lol. fuck off. I'll choose to be pissed wherever I want.

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  • cggreene
  • 1 Points
  • 22:33:44, 17 March

Then do that somewhere else!

  • [-]
  • zeutheir
  • 1 Points
  • 01:02:56, 18 March

When did EA hire the mods?

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  • Eskwire
  • -1 Points
  • 19:17:32, 17 March

I love the idea. I notice the problem but good thing you all notice it also.

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  • Zarukei
  • -1 Points
  • 20:01:08, 17 March

Thank you for this post. It is pretty sad that people have to result to insulting each other because they enjoy something they don't.

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  • NPhoenix54
  • -2 Points
  • 20:09:07, 17 March

Thaaaaaank you!