A short comic about privilege (i.imgur.com)

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151 comments submitted at 10:28:51 on Apr 21, 2014 by HarrietPotter

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  • HarrietPotter
  • -1 Points
  • 11:04:25, 22 April

In reality of course, things work in quite the opposite way. In reality, social change has to be forced. It doesn't happen by pacifying backwards people, it happens by exerting constant social pressure upon them until their resistance gives way. Bigots don't invite discussion, and they certainly don't stop acting like bigots simply because someone asked them to very nicely. They stop because the social cost of publicly maintaining bigoted opinions becomes too high to be worthwhile.

You can take this observation to outrageous extremes of course, like SRS frequently does, but it is nevertheless the truth of the matter. Change has to be imposed on people. Your tactic of politely waiting to be invited before calling out bigotry would yield zero results in real life. It just isn't how things get done.

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  • Etherius
  • 2 Points
  • 12:56:45, 22 April

Bigots do not change their opinions. If they did, they would (by definition) not be bigots.

Those are not the people you waste your time on.

What you seem to be referring to are people who simply use language that may or may not be hurtful to others because they don't realize it may be hurtful.

Those people are not going to respond kindly to obnoxious "we need to talk about your Facebook comment" prattling.

Just saying "not cool, dude" is usually more than enough to at least invite them to question your reasoning. And fucking do thst shit in private, not for all to see.

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  • HarrietPotter
  • 1 Points
  • 16:08:09, 22 April

> Bigots do not change their opinions. If they did, they would (by definition) not be bigots.

They don't need to change. Social change comes in steps. The first step is getting the bigots to shut up.

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  • Etherius
  • 1 Points
  • 16:29:50, 22 April

I would bet my life a better first step was to engender change in the moderates which would make the bigots appear more radical and less acceptable to begin with.

Bigots are never going to shut up, and they're not going to care what someone directly opposite their opinions thinks. They want to gain moderate appeal themselves.

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  • HarrietPotter
  • 1 Points
  • 16:47:02, 22 April

> I would bet my life a better first step was to engender change in the moderates which would make the bigots appear more radical and less acceptable to begin with.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

>Bigots are never going to shut up

This is just patently untrue. You've never met somebody who was bigoted in their private life and tried to keep it quiet? Really? Really?

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  • Etherius
  • 1 Points
  • 16:53:26, 22 April

Depends on the level of bigotry.

If they were a member of the KKK I certainly never knew about it, and I wouldn't call someone a bigot unless they had real hate in their hearts for a given group.

So no, I've never known someone who was a bigot to just stay quiet.

I'd still rather go after the moderates. People who can actually be swayed.

You change the minds of the masses, and they'll shut the bigots up for you. It becomes a one stop process rather than "first we do X, then we do Y" and so on.

Bonus points for not turning banal comments into unsolicited debates.

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  • HarrietPotter
  • 1 Points
  • 17:54:17, 22 April

> Depends on the level of bigotry.

You're pretty much conceding that I'm right here. And with regard to the KKK, they've certainly become more quiet and more diplomatic in recent decades. These days, most branches don't even want their members using the n-word.

>I'd still rather go after the moderates. People who can actually be swayed.

By initiating gentle discussion when they make an insensitive facebook comment, for instance?