Get your popcorn ready: drama breaking out in /r/videos around feminists shutting down a talk at a Canadian university (np.reddit.com)
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236 comments submitted at 17:13:25 on Apr 20, 2014 by nrrdgrrl4500
Get your popcorn ready: drama breaking out in /r/videos around feminists shutting down a talk at a Canadian university (np.reddit.com)
SubredditDrama
131 ups - 42 downs = 89 votes
236 comments submitted at 17:13:25 on Apr 20, 2014 by nrrdgrrl4500
Someone in that thread mentioned /r/AgainstMensRights, this is the current new queue of AMR as of this moment. People moan about the meta subs brigading but that's nothing compared to what happens when a small sub gets brigaded by the defaults.
I find it funny that they complain about goons silencing them but then they go to a sub they disagree and down vote all new posts to 0, real classy.
I fucking love how people got mad about the GoT poster.
Please excuse my ignorance, but since when has the word 'mister' become hate speech? What's wrong with it?
Its use in AMR is different from elsewhere. "Mister" in AMR means "any Men's Rights Activist." It is an overly literal interpretation of the initialism, /MensRights/, /MR/, Mister.
It is used exactly the same as "MRA" is used there. It includes the best, worst, male, female MRAs, all of them. Of course, AMR has an overall-negative view of MRAs, so some have decided the word is a slur when used this way.
Over in /feMRAdebates/ (where I believe the word recently became banned) the explanation I saw explained that "slur" is any insult, including things like ugly or stupid.
Thanks. That makes a lot of sense.
Since this post apparently. Would have probably made a dramatic SRD thread.
>"feminazi" is a valid term. There are many striking similarities between the two ideologies (to the point of plagiarism) From the scapegoating ("patriarchy"), to dehumanization, to crazy conspiracy theories, paranoid persecution complexes, and perceptions of being deprived of entitlements, feminist views on men resemble closely the anti-Semitic ideology prevalent among historical Nazis. Not to mention their authoritarian mindset and the traceable intellectual provenance of feminist philosophy (from Heidegger to "Theory", that is.) I am not claiming feminists consciously modeled their movement after the third reich (although this possibility is a good topic for future research), more likely the influence was unconscious, and maybe stems from a similar psychological profile.
Oh my, this comment received gold.
>> scapegoating [...] , dehumanization, to crazy conspiracy theories, paranoid persecution complexes, and perceptions of being deprived of entitlements,
This made me giggle a little
Cheers.
This is what Jesus rose from the dead for.
To clarify, I mean for the drama. Because you know Jesus is a drama llama.
If a man rustles thee on thy right buttcheek, turn to him the other.
> To clarify, I mean for the drama.
I assume the drama is somewhere here in SRD, because I couldn't find any under the linked comment
There may be some somewhere deep in its assorted subthreads, or response to its parent comment, or to other parent comments in the thread?
But I couldn't find any direct responses arguing with the post, or even within a couple levels of nesting of the assorted responses.
Which is... actually fairly surprising, considering it
directly calls out SRS
says a lot of things I'm pretty sure feminists disagree with
No, that was to eat brains!
AGAIN? Jesus Christ this is, what, the fourth time this has happened?
Actually, Easter has been happening for a long time now.
You think your lag is bag? It took Jesus 3 days to respawn.
30-odd years pass
Jesus just won't stay down.
I don't know what it is with Ontario universities and fire alarms.
The only thing to do is point out that these people are stupid, that they represent feminism as much as (the WBC represents Christianity | Al-Qaeda represents Islam | The Amazing Atheist represents atheism) and move on.
Can't change the nature of the beast. Sadly.
red321red321 is gold-digging again. Awesome.
26 days ago: red321red321 comments and receives 20,000 votes, 6x reddit gold.
13 days ago: red321red321 gilded 40 times. Sidenote: it was 39 a moment ago; does reddit smudge gold count like it does vote totals?
In 13 days: red321red321 is revealed to be a heuristic algorithm, CleverBot does Reddit.
The singularity happened right under our nose
You should totally show him by rebutting what he has to say.
Or don't, and continue to attack his motives, while convincing yourself that this doesn't actually show that you're the one who cares enormously about people's reddit gold and internet points.
You know he has a .txt file all prepped and ready for threads like those.
I think it's sad when people are so indoctrinated that simply being exposed to ideas causes them to react like fascist goons.
The sad thing is there are actually people who will actually defend these people. Regardless on your thoughts on feminism or MRAs or whatever the fuck, you cannot deny that they are being fuckwads of the highest order.
I don't like the vitriol and disruptiveness of the protests, but I 100% understand the anger. MRAs, including so-called moderates like Warren Farrell, promote ideas that have in the past and continue to hurt women. For example, from the Myth of Male Power:
>"It is important that a woman’s “noes” be respected and her “yeses” be respected.
Yes.
>"And it is also important when her nonverbal “yeses” (tongues still touching) conflict with those verbal “noes” that the man not be put in jail for choosing the “yes” over the “no.”"
Fuck to the NO. "Her eyes said yes" or "I thought she was squirming from horniness so obviously she didn't mean it" are not fucking valid excuses. This is something that feminists fought for decades to make unacceptable. It is not for men to decide when women really mean "no" and proceed as they see fit, with no repercussions if they misread real resistance for token resistance. No means no, end of story.
Bring the negative karma. This is not somehow more acceptable just because feminists shouted down a lecturer.
"This other tangentially related thing is really bad so it totally justifies the current situation where 4th wave feminists act like idiots."
Notice, that is not what I wrote. I understand the anger without condoning the method of protest.
You shouldn't understand their anger at all because last I checked, Warren Farrell wasn't the one lecturing in this specific instance.
So yeah, comment still stands, champ.
I never believed or indicated that he was. Because we are discussing pattern of protests against MRA speakers, including Warren Farrell, I was posting about feminist anger towards the MRM more broadly, including its more "moderate" representatives.
See, but here's the beautiful thing, you didn't even talk about which of her ideas are so repugnant that there would be justified anger among the rabble there. You instead talked about WARREN FARRELL in a video that wasn't even about WARREN FARRELL to justify people disrupting a talk hosted by Janice "NOT WARREN FARRELL" Fiamengo.
I wasn't aware that Patriarchy was so powerful that even female oppressors don't get recognition for their hard work oppressing the female sex, we just gotta give all the credit to Warren "The Male Satan Incarnate" Farrell in a thread that isn't even about Warren Farrell.
I mean for Christ's sake her nickname is even "NOT WARREN FERREL". In all caps! What more does this guy need?!
I already explained why I was discussing the feminist anger at the MRM more broadly. I was responding to the following very general comment below:
>Regardless on your thoughts on feminism or MRAs or whatever the fuck...
And the reason I went to Warren Farrell as an example is because he was being touted as an example of MRM moderation in the linked thread in order to demonstrate how unfair feminists have been to MRAs in general.
Don't worry, it's just the anti-feminists' turn on SRD today. School's back in session on Tuesday though, so things should go back to normal.
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> Regardless on your thoughts on feminism or MRAs or whatever the fuck
Really? Is that what you would say about protesters at a neo-Nazi rally? That neo-Nazi dissent is valuable, as a critique of a totalitarian system?
Yes, almost literally Hitler.
Yeah because feminists and MRAs are comparable to Neo-Nazis, nice logic that totally isn't exaggerating things.
>Yes, almost literally Hitler.
Being smugly aware of your own fallacy doesn't suddenly make it go away.
welcome to the tumblrepublican party
First, "literally Hitler" is not a fallacy in itself. The fallacy that may apply is "false analogy."
Second, comparing MRAs and neoNazis is not a false analogy. They operate through similar ways:
They both recruit members based on fears of the rise of minorities, and a displacement of the current hegemonical ideas and ways-of-being
They both try to silence any and all opposition through intimidation
They both cry "halp! mah freedoms" when they get called out on their bullshit in public settings
They both practice historical revisionism
Their core, driving vision is a return to an imagined utopic state which places them and their kind in control over everyone else
Dogs are actually Nazis. You may not know it but it's true. They operate through similar ways:
Hitler had a dog, and Hitler is often associated with the Nazis.
Dogs hunt weaker animals as part of the "survival of the fittest" - Hitler and the Nazis were huge fans of Social Darwinism.
Dogs are known for their loyalty. The Nazis preached loyalty for all Aryans to the Fatherland.
A popular dog breed is the German Shepherd. The Nazi Party was based in Germany.
Dogs can run really fast. The Nazis' "Blitzkrieg" tactic emphasized on speed.
Therefore, Dogs are similar to Nazis.
Point is, I can associate any group to Nazis or Neo-Nazis if you tried hard enough. It's why I hate the "feminazi" label. Don't try to downplay the atrocities of Nazi Germany and their followers to some internet slap fight on Reddit.
I am a Holocat survivor.
As a kitten I was forced to attend a concentration kennel called "High School" where I was put through slave like mandatory Holodog indoctrination classes. I was also taught to hate my feline heritage and the hate and destroy any cat that exhibited any form of solidarity. Millions of cats are lost to the horrifying holocat. Luckily, I was able to survive this sick process and my mind is free of these evil feelings. I will fight to ensure my race isn't exterminated. I am a Holocat Survivor. I survived the Holodog Indoctrination.
I'm not taking sides here, but that's a fucking awful argument. I see you're trying to invoke Hitler ate sugar but you're doing it wrong. What you need to ask yourself is:
Is what he said true?
Assuming it is, are the parallels he drew actually relevant? A.K.A. Do you consider them bad things to do?
Instead of debating these points you threw a straw man.
P.S. One thing to think about: if what he(?) accuses MRA's of doing are evil in their own right, then what's even the point of comparing them to Nazis? Surely the idea that it's evil is reason enough to be against it, regardless of whether the Nazis did it.
I'm not trying to take sides as well, I do not support MRAs or feminism, why? Because I am uneducated in both of these fields and therefore cannot make clear judgement of which side is the more logical approach without educating myself. But he/she's trying to invoke "Hitler ate sugar", not me, by comparing a social group, without sources, with what seems to be anecdotes, which clearly are no were near the seriousness or radicalism of Nazis or their followers.
People have been comparing groups of people they don't like to Nazis since the Nazis were defeated, and every time I cringe. It's why the whole "LITERALLY HITLER" meme started. Her analogy can be easily used for feminists as well, by using equally idiotic reacharounds.
>Is what he said true?
Perhaps.
>Assuming it is, are the parallels he drew actually relevant?
Noooooooooo
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I have no real interest in supporting MRA's, but I think that is something that a lot of people would say about a neo-Nazi rally. In 1978, the ACLU defended the American Nazi Party's right to march through Skokie, IL in full uniform, despite the fact that the town was home to a large number of holocaust survivors. You don't have to respect the content of someone's message but you should respect their right to deliver that message.
I have no issues with counter-protests. But those protests should be about getting the opposing message out there, not about stopping the other party from speaking.
Person who submits reguarly to /r/ShitRedditSays defending this sort of behaviour and comparing Mens Rights Activists, as silly as they may be at times, to actual neo-Nazis.
Why am I not surprised.
I know what neo-Nazis want but I don't know what the speaker wants and it's unfair for anyone to think I should just trust them and ignore her. I'm an adult and I'll make up my own mind, thank you. Silencing her came was monumentally childish and these demonstrators actually gave her more credibility by interfering than she would have earned on her own. If what she advocates is really so repugnant it would have been much smarter to let her words be heard.
Yeah, I expect a lack of nuance from /r/videos, but here I expect a higher class of comment.
The point is, there is a type of speaker, and there is rhetoric to which this is an appropriate reaction. If it was by neo nazis, for example. It's hard to determine exactly where the line is, but this speaker, misogynistic, homophobic and an all around fuckwit, might be close
I hardly see how advocating suppressing the freedom of expression of individuals you disagree with to be a "higher class" attitude. Assuming a speaker is not breaking the law and is giving a speech to a venue that is interested in hearing him speak, then he should have the right to do so unobstructed. If others disagree with the content of his speech they can either ignore it or offer their own rebuttals after the former has finished. However, I consider any attempts to forcefully shut down free and legal discussion to be distasteful, no matter what my own views may be of the issues being discussed.
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The speaker was a female feminist...
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Be nice if this thread could just be talking just about the drama.
Are we talking about the feminists in the video or the MRAs all over that thread?
Seems fitting for both.
I'm talking about the group that used physical interference to stop an academic lecture. The anti-intellectualism on display is disturbing.
> academic lecture.
HA!
Yeah. A lot of crap is tossed around in university-settings. Does not automatically make all of it rigorous enough to be called "academic."
Not to start some subredditdramadrama, but do some research on the woman speaking. She's pretty sexist (and homophobic...). I mean she's often featured on A Voice For Men, so that should give you some idea...
It's like crying "anti-intellectualism" for interfering with an anti-gay speaker or KKK member.
She is a professor at a reputable university sharing her perspective. However much you may disagree with her viewpoint, it's hard to see how an attempt to force her from speaking to an auditorium full of people who came to listen to her ideas doesn't qualify as anti-intellectual in nature.
Her position doesn't negate her views.
Like I said, I wouldn't consider disrupting a speaker at a KKK rally to be anti-intellectual, even though lots of people come to those, too, to listen to ideas.
DAE le MRAs are literally KKK?
Well there is a shockingly large crossover between MensRights and WhiteRights...
Citation needed
Well, the MRM or WhiteRights subreddit exists, so...
Just take a stroll through that lovely sub.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/AnalyzingReddit/comments/14wr41/mensrights15dec_2012/
Overlapping users of /r/MensRights and /r/whiterights: 17 out of 7748 - less than /r/anarchism, /r/socialism, /r/askfeminists or /r/feminism!
DogeMeToTheMoon appears to be actually lying. http://www.reddit.com/r/AnalyzingReddit/comments/14wr41/mensrights15dec_2012/
>whiterights | 17
Of course, that's directly behind:
>niggers | 17
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Uhhh, overlap between MensRights and Libertarian: 121.
Right.
She is a PhD and a professor at a major Canadian university so I really doubt her views are that out there. And do you even know what her views are? Because that seems pretty out there to compare her to the KKK.
They aren't my views therefore literally Hitler.
Especially given that in Canada we actually sensor real hate speech.
Look up Ernst Zundel
Here's the non-mobile version of the URL in your comment.
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This is an academic lecture at a university. It's absolutely anti-intellectual to engage in such tactics at such a forum.
Your issue is that it takes place in such a forum, then?
So, just to be clear, if a KKK leader were speaking about racism at a university, would you still consider it anti-intellectual to interfere?
Yes, remember when Ahmadinejad spoke at an Ivy League university?
Regardless on your thoughts of MRAs, it's unreasonable to compare them to the KKK. That is some "feminazi" logic right there.
If the university invited the KKK, a black panther, Kim Jong Un or any controversial figure or group I would absolutely consider it anti-intellectual to engage in physical interference to stop them from speaking. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't give you the right to silence them.
> Not to start some subredditdramadrama, but
? That's like saying, "Not to sound racist..."
Starting drama is exactly what you are doing. This isn't the place for it.
People who find the behaviour in the video disgusting = MRAs LITERALLY RAPISTS!!!!
You didn't read my comment at all did you?
I don't think anyone's saying that.
Satire?
excuse me?
I believe Alpha was being satirical.
oh okay sorry what is he satirizing?
Seriously? It's hard to tell any more. :(
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED A DIFFERENT OPINION IN SRD.
Top comment has been deleted, looks like the mods of /r/videos are going through with a scythe. This is going to get interesting.
So...who's brigading this comment thread here?
Yes
SRS
It doesn't have to be a brigade everytime the vote count get's fucky... SRD is a battleground where both SRS, SRSS, MRA and what not rub shoulders together.
Conflicts like this are bound to happen. SRD is a battleground.
Love. Love is a battlefield.
I was joking
Gosh so awkward
Go stand over there on the other side of the room
I'm sorry :c
Poe's law, man.
That's why all the comments attacking the protesters are being upvoted, and those adding a perspective suggesting being on the same side as the protesters is being downvoted. Come, now.
Come on, pal, what is this, amateur hour? Read the rest of my comments in the thread
So much poe tho
Always really interested in this particular debate, so thanks for sharing the link. Honestly, stuff on this topic seems really difficult to discuss because the opinions on it are so polarized and volatile sometimes. I think it's probably the Canadian in me speaking (ironic, because this apparently happened at the University of Toronto), but I wish everyone could just approach the subject with a level-head and respect each others' opinions. I think that's probably the most naive thing anyone's ever said on the internet tho :/
> Honestly, stuff on this topic seems really difficult to discuss because the opinions on it are so polarized and volatile sometimes. I think it's probably the Canadian in me speaking (ironic, because this apparently happened at the University of Toronto), but I wish everyone could just approach the subject with a level-head and respect each others' opinions.
Lots of people approach these topics with enormous amounts of their own baggage and little to no awareness that this is the case.*
On top of / in complement to that, a lot of further ends of whichever ideology tend to generate norms which hold that that respect for / consideration of other ideas is betrayal of their own. And since they've held that any act of disagreement is illegitimate, they're thereby licensed to go after anyone with the views they've internally delegitimated as viciously and hatefully as possible.
*I'm certainly no exception to the former; I do try to avoid the latter
I think you hit the nail on the head there; essentially, because these issues are so akin to the core tenets of fundamental humanity (or ideas in people's minds like innate rights or 'justice' as an abstract concept), it's very difficult to propose disagreement without entering into an eventual shouting match when viewpoints can't be reconciled. They're also emotionally sensitive topics, so no matter how level-headed people try to be, feelings end up getting heart when disagreements happen.
Even still, you'd expect that enough people could step back and look at themselves to realize that extreme or volatile behaviour is not becoming of a progressive mindset, nor is it likely to help work towards a solution. I guess if that was the case, tho, discourse would operate a little differently on a global scale.
Lots of people aren't really interested in a solution, which is part of what I meant by baggage.
They're interested in, oh... lots of things really. Making themselves feel powerful and important, dumping the damage from their own bad experiences out on other people, having other people be considerate of them (without having to be considerate of others in return).
> 2361 points 1 hour ago [Gold x 5]
On a two hour old post to r/videos about the badness of feminism. Bets on final score/gold anyone? I'm gonna go with ~5200 and 16-18 golds.
Last time I'm pretty sure it got to 40 gold. I wouldn't be surprised if it got higher this time, based on the video.
It stalled out at 39 gold because the post got removed from TIL.
He was also gifted a years worth from just one person.
Btw, as far as I know the record is 50
copy the whole thing, post it in the next big thread like this and get some sick Reddit gold
And that guy deserved it. That is one hell of a bro.
everyone is angry! this is what drama is all about.
Nothing fuels drama better than generalisations
Am I the only person that doesn't give a fuck about SRS?
Its the /r/circlebroke idiots that I'm concerned about.
CONFIRMED FOR SRS SHILL
Noooooo /r/circlebroke loves SRS. You can totally tell because it was their old logo.
SRS is literally circlebroke-lite!
Does anyone else not like thing?
ok
I do not like thing, therefore thing is automatically bad.
get a load of this guy, not liking thing
ive coined a new phrase for fascist feminists. it very cleverly combines WW2 era Germany with the word feminist. I call them "Adolfeminists"
For some reason I'm picturing a dolphin with Nazi hat and little mustache. :/
i prefer waffeminists
Much effort will be wasted trying to come up with clever puns on 'feminist'.
tbf, if i had put in effort it probably would have been funny
well, less unfunny
FemenWerfer?
I just use the term feminazis and I don't let the fact that it was coined by Rush " It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. " Limbaugh get me down
SRS BRIGADE SRS BRIGADE SRS BRIGADE
Happy Easter everybody!
Jesus died for this shit
Jesus was a man. Jesus died for our sins.
MRA 1, Feminism 0.
Jesus was a man, he died. Coincidence?
MRA 1, Feminism 9999999
Feminism killed Jesus.
Jesus WAS ACTUALLY falselly accused
i think we may be onto something here
Happy 4/20 everybody!
Ooh this is going to be dramatic. People always get so excited and emotionally charged and they say the most ridiculous things, like this comment from another part of the thread.
> Death threats on reddit? This isn't Silk Road.
> Your comment is the kind of hyperbole the social justice crowd of /r/shitredditsays is willing to engage in to stifle criticism of its worldview and its ideological allies.
> Death threats are just another excuse for mods to push their own ideals and agendas. I fully think reddit would be a much better place without mods.
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That thread = massive circlejerk.
~~It looks like totes was banned there though, so at least any sub linking that thread won't be brigaded to hell.~~
Nope, nvm lol. Its gonna get real organic in here.
Also lol the SRS conspiracies are hilarious.
http://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/23ij7t/forthethirdtimeintwoyearsfeministsat_a/cgxbtxx.
>ctrl+F "SRS"
>>One of the admin's girlfriends is a mod on SRS.
>.
>>They're a secret cabal of militant feminists who have ties with the leaders of internet media and even in the highest offices of American government. They manipulate the reddit admins like puppets, determining which posts and comments are allowed, having any user they disagree with shadowbanned.
>>They used their influence to have the /r/videos mods remove this post the first time. I'm not sure why they allowed it this time. It must be part of their grand scheme.
>>FEAR THE SRS
>>edit: Just look at how quickly the SRS downvote bots have hit me. Proof that they have the reddit admins in the palms of their hands.
>.
>>They're absolute fucking lunatics, but they are a bunch of women who haven't worked out yet that womens' worst enemy is not men, but is in fact other women.
>.
>>SRS is fucking cancer.
>>edit: when I first found SRS I literally thought it was a collection of reddits funniest posts. when I discovered they were actually butthurt by it, and marching in to downvote everything off-color, I realized that it was cancer.
> One of the admin's girlfriends is a mod on SRS.
This is so great.
That's the one thing that always gets me when it comes to SRS. You can dislike them, Lord knows I do, but they're not some nefarious illuminati-style group. And if they are... their goal is to mess with the reddit hivemind. As far as conspiracies go, that's pretty underwhelming.
wasn't it proven than a former admin had been and still is dating an SRSer?
Oh that second one is actually satire. I didn't check before I posted that comment, I should've; it seemed too extreme to be true.
It would fit right in anyways.
I'm positive the +11 it's at right now isn't from people who got the joke
SRS (probably) does brigade, but I don't think it brigades anywhere near as much as people think it does if for no other guess than whenever a shitty person gets downvoted they almost always call "SRS brigade"
It's hard to say whether they do or not. I imagine at some point they did, but now they don't, and groups that seek to make 'em look bad do in threads that they link to.
If Cupcake is to be believed (and if you think the admins are lying when they have the data they need to assert such why the fuck are you supporting them by continuing to use Reddit), SRS brigades are infrequent and very small, and those found to be brigading get the shadowban treatment.
As far as I know, Admins ONLY consider voting as a brigade but not commenting.
Which should be actually taken into consideration.
Here is SRS totally not brigading!
This thread = still pretty big circlejerk.
The only purpose of that video being posted is to get people angry and associate feminists with radicals like this.
The point of feminism is just for equality so anyone who argues more than that isn't really a feminist in the traditional sense, but neckbeards believe every single feminist acts like the people in this video.
I read the title of that threat and thought It's too bad that happened. Then I opened the tread and thought well this is much worse.
Do you seriously believe that people making comments you disagree with on an internet forum is "much worse" than a group forcefully shutting down a discussion because they don't agree with the perspective of the speaker?
When stuff like this happens, it's get's harder for me to call myself a feminist.
I know that sounds pathetic, and it is, and i don't want it to happen. But it's embarrasing when this is done by a movement that is built around equal treatment.
Well, that's what happens when loudest and most obnoxious minority of a movement is the one that gets the most attention.
I wonder why this is happening so badly with feminism. Could be that other feminists aren't doing enough to stop them, but I suspect part of it is that the internet focuses on these people so often.
There's definatley that. But sometimes i wonder to myself "What if i'm just fooling myself and this isn't the vocal minority?"
I mean, i have no way of knowing either way, but you know, it's a scary and depressing thought.
I know every single feminist in the world and I know the exact percentage of them that are too extreme. I could tell you what that percentage is, but you'll have to pay me $100.
I personally think reddit isn't as tolerant of moderate feminism compared to the majority of websites and perhaps most people in general. I think this allows subs like SRS and feminists like these protestors to take the soapbox on reddit, because it's always going to get some sort of attention and reaction.
Maybe it's a chicken and egg scenario, where the latter group got the attention first and so the moderate feminists that came after were filed under that label regardless of their particular philosophy of feminism. IME feminism on reddit tends to be rejected unless there's a clear cut bad guy (excuse the misandry!) to rally against.
I just keep wondering, if there are so few of them, how do so many end up on one campus?
It probably has more to do with the loud and aggressive ones driving out anyone reasonable, making themselves the majority.
"They care, we don't. They win."
Maybe they didn't watch the video. The commenters in /r/videos may be pretty cringe worthy, but they're also not pulling fire alarms and screaming like children.
I suppose I meant that while the video is a bad thing happening, the arguments show two sets of people missing their own point. Instead of seeing that they are two sides of the same coin they see each other as rivals. Most of the arguments there seem to break down to "It's the other side that isn't cooperating!. Oh well it's entertainment all the same.
Rarble Rarble Rarble Rarble
It happens so often that radical feminists and SJWs make feminism look bad, which is frustrating because it alienates so many people who are sympathetic to the movement, but doesn't want to be associated with feminists like those in the video.
For this exact reason I can totally understand why the mod of /r/Feminism is taking such extreme actions with people associated with SRS and SRS type subs (Drama from some days ago). If people understand that the typical feminist is nothing like those in the video or some in SRS, this would be so much better for those gender discussions...
I have no respect for anyone who does anything like what the people in the video did, or those who defend them.
Obligatory "I beat you guys to the thread for the love of God don't ban me" comment.
To be fair, I should have foreseen this would end up here. I mean it has everything, "SRS IS TO BLAME", "these aren't real feminists", "equality means PUNCHING WOMEN". This is a variety bucket.
What, feminists acting like a bunch of spoiled children?
Shocking
Really, we're doing this?
I guess I can just do my homework tomorrow...
Get theherps to write you a note. Your teacher will understand.
TRP leak confirmed.
\>implying I post in the cesspool that is TRP
You said something I've only ever heard from TRPers.
It's entirely possible to see issues with the actions of feminists without going anywhere near the level of crazy redpillers hit.
Articulate issues with the actions of feminists =/= say it's typical that feminists act like spoiled children
Fair enough, although acting like spoiled children is a pretty good description of the people in the linked videos
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Yeah we had those frustrated screaching womyns at our university too.
EDIT: And apparently in this thread too. Get a boyfriend girls. My first boyfriend opened my eyes in a lot of ways. Men arent that bad.
I had a boyfriend once. It was awful
can i be in the SRS gang now?!
not until you renounce all power that you may or may not hold, privileged scum
dat edit... Calm down dear...
Im a woman working at a very left leaning/feminist department. And even we are sick of those radical "womynz". We currently had a huge campaign to get men interested in teaching at elementary schools almost ruined because of those idiots. Thats why I may come of as a bit angry or insulting.
Honestly that edit looks a lot like "Feminists just need a good hard dicking" whether or not that was the intention
Isn't the usual generalisation of MRAs that they are all neckbeard who can't get laid and blame women for that ?
So that edit seems rather fair to me.
Dicks are fun. But my Edit was actually 100% honest. So many radical feminits I know became at least waaay more level-headed once they had a boyfriend. Again, men arent that bad.
I'm not asserting that they aren't, and I fully understand what you mean. Odds are the people behind this stunt are just young and dumb and will grow in time.
It's just the way the sentiment is phrased here that looks a little "uh..."
I have a boyfriend, but he's a feminist too! So what's our next step here? Does HE need to get a boyfriend? Can this third-party boyfriend be my boyfriend too or just my boyfriend's boyfriend? I need some guidance here.
it's boyfriends all the way down
>So what's our next step here?
Don't pull fire alarms unless there's a fire.
I'm not sure if getting a boyfriend would actually help these people.
Maybe therapy or logging off of tumblr occasionally would be better.
Those posts are always fun because you can almost smell all the comments ready to be posted JUST AS SOON AS SOMEONE ELSE POSTS FIRST and lets /r/Subredditdrama know what they should be thinking about this.
Dammit people, leave the drama in the linked threads.
I think its much too late for that. SRD has been incredible toxic for some times already and I don't see it change anytime soon unless you mods come up with some massive reforms. If you do that...good luck. /r/SubredditDramaDrama would have a field day.
At this point I think if MRAs wanted to strike a big blow in the "gender wars" they should just keep scheduling these meetings to bait the protesters.
Where's the evidence that anything in that guy's comment was shut down by "feminists"? I only heard a fire alarm and saw people arguing outside. Where's the video of feminists pulling it or disrupting a talk?
If anyone had video of the alarm being pulled, someone would have been arrested for it. And the disrupting the talk is in the video linked by the submission of post.
... or are you just messing with me?
Well then how do they know a feminist pulled the fire alarm?
And the second video shows a bunch of people arguing on the sidewalk, not an official setting like in the original post that this guy was replying to. The commentor says feminists shut down a talk but it looks like a couple groups actively engaging each other in an unofficial and informal setting.
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Here's a source that describes the video:
http://metronews.ca/news/ottawa/1000093/protestors-shut-down-u-of-o-professors-mens-rights-talk/
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