Circumcision drama rears its head in /r/gaybros (np.reddit.com)
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138 comments submitted at 18:43:46 on Apr 13, 2014 by ct_lurker
Circumcision drama rears its head in /r/gaybros (np.reddit.com)
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56 ups - 35 downs = 21 votes
138 comments submitted at 18:43:46 on Apr 13, 2014 by ct_lurker
I've never heard anyone complain about infant circumcision until Russel Crowe sent some drunken tweets about it a few years ago. It sounds more like an excuse to claim men are being oppressed, either that or a dog whistle for anti-religious sentiments.
I have literally never heard about it being an issue anywhere outside of reddit.
I've heard about it on some other forums specifically targeted to honest discussions. It's not common, but it's really insulting to suggest that people only use it as 'an excuse to claim men are being oppressed'.
Aren't like 50% of babies circumcised in the US? Total guess by the way; in Ireland we don't have a fetish for bringing a scalpel to a baby's penis.
I'm not too knowledgeable on the specifics, but my grandfather apparently had some kind of disease at some point that circumcision would have prevented, so my mother got myself and my brother circumcised as babies in case we needed it eventually. It's not always just a 'fetish'.
So your mother made the decision to chop off your foreskin - which is fused to a baby's penis much like a fingernail to a finger - and risk infecting you and forcing you to go through pain as a baby because there's a chance you might have gotten some disease you don't know anything about? Circumcision, a procedure that by its very nature can easily lead to complications and infection around the penis? I'm all for letting people who want to chop their foreskin off do so, but it's not fair to make that decision for child.
Helooo straw man, it's been so long. Stop worrying about it so much. It effects him and no one else.
Didn't they just ban it in Sweden? Including no exceptions for religious grounds? It was one of those countries.
It's a big deal in a lot of places, it's just that you don't hear it much in the U.S. unless it's another moil who gave a baby herpes.
That Jewish denomination's practice of circumcision is much less, sanitary than a hospital's standard procedure.
At least the kid could say he got head at least once.
I ve heard it once in real life, but nowhere near the vitirol that it gets here
same.
It was a pretty big topic in Germany recently.
Why Are you being downvoted so much? Who'd you piss off?
Circumcision is somehow really polarizing on ~~reddit~~ the internet
Yeah. Can you imagine? Some people DONT want their junk sliced up? Weird.
Wow can you imagine? Some people with circumsized penises don't think it was such a big deal?
Yeah so glad those people speak for everyone else that feels it is a big deal
And most of that everyone else is most likely uncut.
Seems like an awful lot of conjecture to me
The entire post seems to have drawn some ire from somewhere
It is likely to be mostly anti-circumcision activists, I guess. I haven't checked but maybe this is linked to from /r/procircumcisionwatch? Or it could just be carryover from some highly downvoted comments I made earlier today.
I've seen it for anti-religious arguments, usually chained along news reports of FGM coming from Africa.
because they're totally the same thing guyz
Except FGM isn t a religious practice in the first place, its practiced by members of all religious groups in Africa, and only one or two types of FGM is even close to comparing to male circumsicion. One or two is even less invasive than male circumsicion.
EDIT: for clarification, the most prevalent forms of FGM are indeed more invasive than male circumcision but only a few types can be directly compared to the male procedure. The worst type of FGM involves the removal of outer and inner labia, the clitoral hood, the clitoris, and the sewing shut of the vagina, their is really no way to directly compare that to the male. The closest way is to say its like having your foreskin and the head of your penis removed.
There are some places in the world where people used to practice penile subincision, which I think is sort of comparable to FGM/infibulation. I've never heard anybody complain about it, though.
The reddit circumcision war is actually a weird mirror of the problems in the FGM debate. My big problem with the latter is people who try to describe FGM as an inherently coercive without bothering to consult the women who've actually been thus coerced about how they feel about it.
Oh, I'm well aware it's not. On reddit the blame is placed on Christianity/ Islam/ whatever religion is popular to hate that day regardless. See anything in worldnews regarding circumcision, out comes the islam hate.
I literally can't enjoy sex because I don't have foreskin :'( guise come on it's horrible I hate my parents guisseeeee
Think about it, circumcision is everything the hivemind hates:
invented by jews
primarily practiced in America more than europe
has ties to something that lets them hate on muslims and christians at the same time
is discriminatory towards men
something the parents do without the kid's consent or say in the matter
is completely inconsequential in the real world except for their own fears of impotency being played up to make a reverse placebo effect that whittles their already-tiny dicks to nothingness
> circumcision [...] is completely inconsequential in the real world
Approximately 117 neonatal circumcision-related deaths (9.01/100,000) occur annually in the United States, about 1.3% of male neonatal deaths from all causes
Parents of dead child demand better information about the risks of cirumcision
Massive Infection Takes Over Body After Plastibell Circumcision NSFW/NFSL
Why the “circumcision solution” to the AIDS epidemic in Africa may increase transmission of HIV (Brian D. Earp, Research Fellow, Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics)
(Incidentally, I'd have to question the assumption that the practice was invented by Jews. From what I can see online the practice dates back to the ancient Egpytians, circa 2400 B.C.)
I would be curious how many deaths in the first link occur in medical settings vs. religious settings.
I agree with everything, but it goes back earlier then the Jews. It was found in ancient Egypt, and was regarded as a sanitary practice.
Sand in the foreskin probably doesn't feel to pleasant
Hahaha, I have never heard it stated that way. Brilliant.
Whoa that does explain a lot.
Thanks for sharing your crippled sense of empathy
Crippled? Lol
I think he meant your sense of empathy has been ...circumcised.
snipping intensifies
>Crippled? Lol
Cogent
Because I think an incredibly-rarely-goes-wrong procedure is overblown on reddit?
When's the last time you've helped feed the homeless, talked and hung out with mentally ill people or the elderly at nursing homes or volunteered at a women's shelter? What about teaching children or even volunteering at a pet shelter?
There's many things to be empathetic to. A cosmetic procedure that harms no one is not a cause that's worth throwing a fit over. Take that negative energy that's downvoting and being upset over something that will not change and put it into something positive that will actually help someone somehow.
Oh look, you found your words.
>A cosmetic procedure that harms no one
"Hey everyone who feels you have been harmed by your circumcision: you are literally no one."
>When's the last time you've helped feed the homeless, talked and hung out with mentally ill people or the elderly at nursing homes or volunteered at a women's shelter? What about teaching children or even volunteering at a pet shelter?
When's the last time you decided to assume someone what someone does or doesn't do for other people because they pointed out your own poor behavior?
Man, I'm so glad I finally learned to spot narcissists.
>incredibly-rarely-goes-wrong procedure
learn 2 reed
also who says my behavior is poor? I acknowledged what the hivemind hates about circumcision, nowhere did I make fun of anyone that had one go wrong and negatively affect them. I'm sorry that your e-peen, and apparently real peen, feel offended by my words.
Pop a viagra, jack off to some midgets in jack-o-lanturn costumes, and call me when you are capable of realizing that making fun of people who get offended on the internet over menial things =/= making fun of people who have had botched circumcisions resulting in a net loss in life.
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> usually chained along news reports of FGM coming from Africa.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that! I'm like, what? I don't even...
> It sounds more like an excuse to claim men are being oppressed, either that or a dog whistle for anti-religious sentiments.
Seriously, this is why I can't get behind Reddit on that one.
I think we really should have a serious discussion as a society on infant circumcision for non-medical reasons, but alas Reddit is not the place for this
Reddit is rarely the place for anything that isn't circlejerking and whining.
Small interests subs are okay, but if they're any good then they get popular fast and the quality drop quickly :-\
This comment chain seems to be right for the picking if you think anyone complaining about cutting up infant's dicks is a bad thing.
I mean, there are a lot of horrible things in the world after all. And in no way does it compare even close to female genial mutilation, so it is of course cool to chop up some kiddy dicks!
They're men, they can take it. Only girly men complain!
There's also anti-pedophilia reasons to oppose circumcision of minors.
Brian J. Morris and most of the other researchers and "researchers" (by this I mean Jake Waskett, a particularly odious internet warrior, who appears as an author in multiple pro-circumcision studies) saying that circumcision has medical benefits were associated with a group called the Gilgal Society, which publishes "case studies" on circumcision that read suspiciously like erotica involving minors. In fact, the leader of the Gilgal Society, Vernon Quaintance, was arrested and convicted of possession of child pornography.
This leads one to suspect that some subset of these people are circumcision fetishists, i.e. they literally masturbate to the cutting off of parts of the genitals of minors.
That is why I oppose the circumcision of minors: to stop the production of erotic material for these fetishists.
Is that the only reason?
No, but having pervs touching a boys penis, with a knife no less, is a pretty substantial reason. I mean, look at the Catholic Church, filled with perverts who ruined the institution...and here you are advocating mutilation. Vomit.
gr8 b8 m8
There's also the human rights issue, but you've probably heard that argument before, so there's no need to repeat it here.
> In fact, the leader of the Gilgal Society, Vernon Quaintance, was arrested and convicted of possession of child pornography.
And its not the first time he's been collared:
25th April 2012, under the heading Sex Scandal rocks Order of the Knights
The knights [...] are unhappy that the man employed as a sacristan and server for the charity’s Mass has been revealed as a paedophile. Vernon Quaintance was recently given a 40-week suspended sentence for possessing child pornography.
You're so noble.
Yep definitely just those things, its not like my being tortured as an infant is something worth complaining about.
Hahahahah oh poor you
Meanwhile, DAE FGM the worst thing ever????
See this right here is why no one takes you seriously and also why some people tend to counter-jerk so hard
So pointing out hypocrisy is a bad thing now? The person I responded to is belittling the fact that they had their junk cut up. How is that NOT horrible?
Because they're not the same thing. Two entirely different scales.
FGM isn't one thing, MGM isn't one thing. There are forms of FGM that are worse then forms MGM and vice versa. In the western world all forms of FGM, even those less severe then circumcision, are condemned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98f3IavuEgQ
All you manage to do by spewing your overly emotional arguments is piss people off and alienate them, it's not working
I'm against the systematic circumcision of new-borns for non-medical reasons too, but you and people using similar arguing-strategies are the opposite of helpful
>Hahahahah oh poor you
See, your failure to recognize anything wrong with that comment and instead to choose to react to the response to it is why nobody takes you seriously.
I downvoted it, not only was it in bad taste but it was also irrelevant to the conversation at hand. Besides if I were to comment on it then we would've gone even more off-topic
Meanwhile I commented on other comment because it was on topic
Circumcision is an abhorrent assault on an innocent, advocated by perverts.
wooooah there rider, woooooah there