Drama in /r/AdviceAnimals when one user dares to state that wasting a cop's time isn't very great. (np.reddit.com)
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330 comments submitted at 13:32:34 on Apr 9, 2014 by ChadtheWad
Drama in /r/AdviceAnimals when one user dares to state that wasting a cop's time isn't very great. (np.reddit.com)
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330 comments submitted at 13:32:34 on Apr 9, 2014 by ChadtheWad
I was a cop. I quit because everything this person said is true.
Cops aren't here to help you. In the last 10-15 years their role has become militarization/enforcement.
Go to school in the city? It's likely that your campus cops are actually fully functional cops even though they aren't real cops. They have full authority of police officers up to 5,000 feet from any campus building. They can serve and protect the shit out of you if they want.
It's also the reason why only 7% of people in jail are actually violent criminals. The majority of inmates are there on victimless crimes or have mental illnesses.
Cops are not your friends.
Where exactly were you a cop? Because it's a big ol' world with a lot of countries and states with different rules and enforcements.
The racist cop in New York profiling you because you're black is definitely not your friend. The guy driving around and waiting for hours to make sure people aren't driving recklessly and killing people is your friend. There's a lot of shitty people in all professions. Just because there's a couple teachers that abuse their authority, doesn't make all teachers useless pigs. Same with cops.
Or maybe people, regardless of who they are personally, who participate in a system are subject to the boundaries of the system.
Ever hear of the blue wall of silence? You know you could sit for days on end without a break watching video after video and reading report after report on bad policing? And I don't mean writing bad tickets I mean blatant violence against completely innocent people.
I was a military police officer in the marine corps for 4 years before I was got out and got certified at a private college for local policing. That means you get to work part time for multiple departments. Before I entered the military I spent the better half of my teenage years with cops, around cops, doing cop stuff because I was going to be a cop for the rest of my life. I was positive there were only a few bad apples and I would make a difference! It's a fucking system dude. Individuals don't impact systems.
I quit that in '09 after deciding to do something valuable with my life instead.
>The guy driving around and waiting for hours to make sure people aren't driving recklessly and killing people is your friend.
That person does not exist.
>There's a lot of shitty people in all professions
And this is a shitty profession that turns people in to shitty people
>Just because there's a couple teachers that abuse their authority, doesn't make all teachers useless pigs. Same with cops.
And there are lot of great teachers who are forced to teach bullshit because the system is garbage. Which is exactly what the OP was saying. It's so convoluted with bureaucracy that it really would be better to knock it all down and start all over again.
Your mistake is judging these things based on their intent instead of their actual impact. Policing, Schooling, just about everything the government provides a framework or system for it does absofuckinglutely terribly unless it is war. Oh, well, come to think of it maybe policing is getting better since they've been making our police force in to glorified soldiers lately.
You get what you fucking vote for.
> The guy driving around and waiting for hours to make sure people aren't driving recklessly and killing people is your friend. > That person does not exist.
... as a former cop and person who only hung around cops I want to know where you live, because pretty much all of my trooper friends do just this. You could say they were lying but the very-bored snapchats i get from them on the side of the highway on a regular basis would suggest otherwise.
If you've ever even been on a highway at any time you've seen a cop there. I see them every time sitting either in 80+ Californian weather (where I live right now) or working shitty night hours.
I too really wanna know where this guy lives.
I understand cynicism if someone worked for LAPD or NYPD or something similar, but it's silly to think those agencies are anything like a small town agency in a quiet new england town or the state patrol in New Hampshire, etc
Exactly what I was thinking. That's why I tried to use the New York example earlier. It's a whole 'nother ball game.
My best buddy is a cop in STL, and I am pretty sure this is his every night at work...and as far as the whole "searching for weed, I know he is usually pretty lax about it. If he pulls over a group of teens, and they are compliant, he will usually let them off with a minor citation if they agree to give him everything illegal in the car.
> That person does not exist.
I've met those people. I've met a cop driving around the rocky, shitty roads of Nova Scotia at four in the morning stopping people from speeding and flying off a fucking cliff side. I've met cops that joke around and smile with you in England, making sure you're feeling better when you're a scared, little kid. I have met cops that dedicated their entire lives to the lives of strangers just because they cared. They are doing a hard job, a job most people can't do and won't do. So, yes, that person exists.
>And there are lot of great teachers who are forced to teach bullshit because the system is garbage. Which is exactly what the OP was saying. It's so convoluted with bureaucracy that it really would be better to knock it all down and start all over again.
But we don't say "this country would be better without an education system at all!" Well, at least, I hope there's not people saying that. The exact same thing with police. We need police. We need reforms to the system, not to destroy it completely.
Just because you had a bad experience being a campus cop doesn't make all police worthless. Just as you could watch hours of police abuse, you could watch hours of bravery. It's the abuse that needs to be cracked down upon, not the job itself.
he didn't say: >Which is exactly what the OP was saying. It's so convoluted with bureaucracy that it really would be better to knock it all down and start all over again.
he said: >It would literally be better to live in an un-policed state.
Those are two very different things.
Well whoopidi fuckin' do for you.
Just remember this person you're swooning over has zero problem kidnapping, imprisoning and murdering you if they are given the order to do so.
> Well, at least, I hope there's not people saying that. The exact same thing with police. We need police. We need reforms to the system, not to destroy it completely.
You're polishing a turd. In your illustrious travels have you come across this saying?
>being a campus cop
Sorry, maybe you should go back and read that again. Marine Corps Military Police Officer and local police force. How you construed campus cop from that... actually nevermind it makes perfect sense you wouldn't catch that.
>he said:
>Those are two very different things.
Yeah, you've got reading comprehension problems. Probably went to state funded schools huh. The first sentence is:
"it would be better to just start over"
He literally framed what he said with that before using your citation.
Hey, maybe you should go find one of those good guy cops or good guy teachers you swear exists and get them to hold your hand while you read through the post again
>got certified at a private college for local policing.
I'd assume your experience as a marine police officer would have been positive, if you continued that career path. And, I misread it as certified at a private college for policing that college. I understand what you meant more now, my bad.
You said "everything" he said was true. He said "it would literally be better to live in an un-policed state." Do you actually think that's true? Because that's the stupidest thing I've read all day.
Rather than attacking me, or what kind of education I may or may not have received, you should really focus on what I'm trying to say to you. I wasn't trying to belittle you, or be rude to you. I was trying to have a discussion because what you've been saying is extremely ridiculous.
>Hey, maybe you should go find one of those good guy cops or good guy teachers you swear exists and get them to hold your hand while you read through the post again
Like, my bad for calling you out on your stupid opinion. Thanks for keeping it civil.
Oh, and illustrious travels? Dude, I didn't realize going to Canada, England, and America was "illustrious travels". How exotic of me. I was just trying to explain the world is a bigger place then your single existence.
And I didn't realize appreciating people that save lives and protect me is "swooning." I already agreed the system needs reform. But, can you actually acknowledge there are good cops? There are people that sacrifice their lives for others. A few bad apples doesn't make every single apple tree worthless or corrupt. So instead of burning down the whole orchard, can we just throw out the fucking bad apples. Like, jesus.
I don't have to be nice to you and I have zero interest in that for a number of reasons.
For starters, you're a dick.
Next up, you don't even bother to get your facts straight you just want the masturbatory feel-goodness of "My emotions are right, you are wrong and I won't listen to anything you say"
>you should really focus on what I'm trying to say
If you can't figure out what you are trying to say, why should I? Furthermore, how the Hell could I?
>Canada, England, and America was "illustrious travels".
Yeah and you had no problem citing your worldliness as an authority when you thought it suited you. So you're a fraud as well. Regardless, you were grasping for authorities that exist outside the purview of what is actually being discussed. This is called moving the goalpost. Usually it happens when someone has no evidence to support themselves so they try to expand the topic to a point where anything can be included.
>And I didn't realize appreciating people that save lives and protect me is "swooning."
And you have yet to show that is fact. All you've done is said "I have an opinion, herp derp, mine is right and yours is wrong. I know BECAUSE I TRAVEL"
>A few bad apples doesn't make every single apple tree worthless or corrupt.
There is no such thing is what I'm trying to pound through the layers of ignorance you built around your tiny pea brain.
Listen, when you get a little older and actually have some experience that involves taking responsibility for yourself maybe you'll understand how, sometimes, even though you might be a good person you are going to be forced to ruin someones day because you're part of a system that requires you to honor yourself and your commitment to it over being a nice person.
Idiots like you say "reform" as if it means something. You don't get that it's been reformed. This is the product of reformation lol. If government was capable of doing a good job it wouldn't have to constantly reform itself. You're saying the system is bad, so use the system to make it less bad. The level off jaw-dropping stupidity contained in the things you say is flabbergasting.
I know you have no capacity to even begin to understand what that means but definitely part from this conversation knowing that your naivety is part of the cancer that is rotting society from the inside out and not only what allows these things to be created but you contribute to its expansion.
I'm a dick? When have I been a dick to you? If I've said something that's offended you, I'm sorry. It wasn't my intention.
I wasn't trying to cite my "worldliness", I was giving examples that proved your opinion incorrect. There are good cops. I have met them. That's what I was trying to get across.
You said "that person does not exist" and I said, "I've met those people" and gave examples. Proving you wrong.
How did I move the goalposts so "anything can be included." I've been talking about cops this whole time. I've made analogies and metaphors to try to help you understand, but I've been talking about the same authorities: the police.
>layers of ignorance you built around your tiny pea brain.
Again with the insults. Like, honestly, you can't even be a civil human being to a stranger online. No wonder you made a bad cop.
Instead of becoming so defensive, angry, and rude, you could... you know, try to be the nice person you think the system destroys.
I'll say it again. You accuse me of moving the goalposts and going outside of what's actually being discussed, but you're the one personally attacking me. I haven't mocked you for your posts in /r/bitcoin or /r/Anarcho_Capitalism. I've tried to talk about the actual fucking conversation:
It is completely and utterly retarded to claim that "it would literally be better to live in an un-policed state." And, you in saying "I was a cop. I quit because everything this person said is true" agreed with that statement. This is what I've been trying to talk to you about, and this is the conversation you've ignored over and over again in favor of attacking me personally.
Maybe, when you grow up, you'll realize that personal insults don't invalidate someone's argument, no matter how much you hate being wrong.
It's taking a lot of restraint to not sink to your level with the fifth grader insults (pea brain, seriously?), but you know, I'm managing it. It's called maturity.
Holy shit are you fuckin dumb.
Jesus Christ dude, calm down. People disagree with you.
Woo, metadrama!