Hey R/DotA2. I'm an American in S. Korea and even though they're adding server clusters, only Korean citizens can play the game because of Nexon's New User Policy ("no foreigners allowed"). I've been trying to email Valve about this issue but I think I need help getting them to listen. (self.DotA2)

1542 ups - 365 downs = 1177 votes

I want to be able to play on this <10ms South Korean internet, but Nexon has a "fuck foreigners" policy when it comes to all of the games that they license/franchise, including DotA2.

Take for example League of Legends: a South Korean company licensed the entire game and it's intellectual rights so that they could have their game servers (and client) completely independent of the main Riot Games' version of the game. They mirror all of the changes that Riot Games makes with a week or so lag to translate everything into Korean and whatnot, but that's why you don't see "Korea" or "한글" in the server and language choices. It's because they're both on a completely separate client and server cluster.

In fact, every game that becomes licensed and whatnot to South Korea does it this way. The game companies just basically copy/paste and "Koreanize" their game or whatever you want to call it, then allow only Korean citizens (people with the 주민 SSN) and prevent non-Koreans (people with the 외국인 SSN) and people who don't even have an SSN in general from playing or participating in their games.

Nexon, yes, is one of the biggest game companies in Korea, probably on the scale of Valve or EA or whatever relatively speaking... but they have a very bad policy when it comes to foreigners. Even though I have a 외국인 SSN in this country I cannot even make an account on their website! (Oh, they'll let me register the account, but when it comes to the next step like on all sites: verifying the SSN, they say "nope! sorry but foreigners are not allowed to play games on Nexon")

This means no Kart Rider, no Maple Story, and pretty soon... no DotA 2.

FAQ:

>But... I heard that Korea had a law or something overturned so you don't have to check your Korean SSN anymore!

The're not doing away with the SSN thing. The Supreme Court judgment here only prevented the companies from directly asking for your Korean SSN. The companies now just use your iPin (a government organization that verifies online identities via Korean SSN instead of giving it to them directly) to verify your identity (in this case, as with many of the game companies like Nexon, Blizzard for SC2, whoever owns the LoL franchise here - but not Pmang for some weird reason), which was always an alternative to using your Korean SSN anyway.

So that law overturning or whatever didn't change anything at all here.

>Why not just play on the other regular DotA2 servers then? Fuck the Korean servers...

This is why (hint: when in korea, going to Korean sites is fast as fuck... but the second you try to connect to anything outside of korea... even if it's just across the sea over in China or Japan... NOPE!)

312 comments submitted at 02:29:15 on Mar 15, 2013 by tagus

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  • lifeisgood99
  • 165 Points
  • 03:03:44, 15 March

If you need a Korean citizen SSN: http://www.ixobelle.com/p/numbergen.html

It worked for me when I registered on some kpop site.

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  • tagus
  • 29 Points
  • 03:24:03, 15 March

illegal

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  • N3TS3cure
  • 2 Points
  • 03:41:53, 15 March

....and?

If the law is - wrongfully - preventing you from enjoying the same things as everyone else because you are a foreigner and therefore considered "second-class" or some shit, then fuck the law.

Legality =/= Morality. You aren't doing anything wrong, you're giving the middle finger to a government that allows this shit to happen and a company (a shitty company at that) that has these policies.

Fuck Nexon, EA, and every other godforsaken bullshit video game company.

/rant

Full disclosure: I tried to play Invictus here in the states. Nexon's site is so fucking horrible and their customer service is even worse. I emailed them about an error that I was experiencing. I received a reply 4 months later - after I already installed the game. Oh and yeah, you heard right, Nexon will allow foreigners to play their games as long as it's in a foreign country, so double-fuck them.

EDIT: Thank you for the gold! I'd link ya so you can get proper credit for it, but I'm afraid you would be subjected to the same downvote-brigade as I am, so I won't do that :)

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  • hoodieblanket
  • 56 Points
  • 03:51:22, 15 March

i dont think you quite grasp what "illegal" means, and the repercussions of a foreigner doing "illegal" things in another country. You don't just "fuck the law".

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  • N3TS3cure
  • -34 Points
  • 04:01:19, 15 March

Actually, hoodieblanket, being as well-traveled as I am, and of course because of the fact that I own a fucking dictionary, yes I DO know what "illegal" means. And I am very aware of the repercussions of breaking the law in a foreign country.

What you don't seem to grasp is the amount of people who break the law every day and the entire fucking model of cost/benefit. The government isn't going to do anything to a guy getting a false SSN in order to play a damn video game. There's no reason to, other than principle, because although he's breaking the law he's not a threat. Just as the government doesn't send the FBI after everyone who ever downloaded a song off of the internet.

The only person who may take action, in the very unlikely situation where OP is caught, is Nexon themselves. At which point the only real action they can take is blocking his IP, which is easily skirted. Of course, they could try to do something else, but once again, cost/benefit.

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  • warchamp7
  • 14 Points
  • 04:10:37, 15 March

It's one thing to live in North America and use a fake Korean SSN to play on Korean servers. (I know people who do this with stuff like MapleStory and Elsword)

It's another thing to live in Korea and use a fake Korean SSN to do things

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  • N3TS3cure
  • -24 Points
  • 04:22:08, 15 March

Actually it doesn't matter at all. The same basic rules apply.

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  • Elkram
  • 11 Points
  • 04:34:50, 15 March

Except it takes a lot more effort to arrest and jail someone outside of your country than in.

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  • bellendcamel
  • 3 Points
  • 06:10:58, 15 March

> Actually it doesn't matter at all

Bravery Level: So. Are you also euphoric?

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  • N3TS3cure
  • 1 Points
  • 12:54:43, 15 March

I don't think you understand what "brave" means.

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  • BoredomIsFun
  • 3 Points
  • 09:05:19, 15 March

N3TS3cure: FUCK DA RULES FUCK DA POLICE

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  • CaptainHijinx
  • -9 Points
  • 05:09:41, 15 March

Bravo sir. Ignore the chicken shits who downvote you.

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  • N3TS3cure
  • 0 Points
  • 13:05:17, 15 March

It's ok, if a bunch of little ass-hats wants to serial-downvote me and anyone who agrees with me then go ahead and let them. They obviously don't know how to read the rediquette or how to function as normal human beings.

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  • kznlol
  • -1 Points
  • 15:22:38, 15 March

If you have an American citizenship, you pretty much do just fuck the law whenever you feel like it in a foreign country.

They won't do shit except tell you to fuck off back to America.

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  • pLuhhmmbuhhmm
  • 7 Points
  • 06:11:04, 15 March

First time I've seen a buried comment that had gold.

  • [-]
  • tagus
  • 19 Points
  • 09:43:44, 15 March

first time yolo is used correctly... first time a buried comment getting gold.

this thread is going places!

  • [-]
  • N3TS3cure
  • -3 Points
  • 12:54:05, 15 March

Because there are people who actually read comments and apparently have more than half a brain, and don't participate in the downvote-brigade.

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  • needuhLee
  • 6 Points
  • 11:23:34, 15 March

The law is still the law and you have to violate it at your own risk. Nothing makes doing something illegal legal; it can only make an illegal thing "moral" or "right."

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  • N3TS3cure
  • -1 Points
  • 12:51:49, 15 March

And I would not argue that point, that's completely correct. It's pretty black and white as to whether it's "legal".

I'm saying, the risk is negligible to the point of nonexistence.

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  • melez
  • 2 Points
  • 14:40:23, 15 March

It's somewhat difficult to gauge the risk/benefit of illegal activity in another country, no?

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  • N3TS3cure
  • -1 Points
  • 14:46:42, 15 March

Well not really. Every country has to follow a cost/benefit model. The only countries where it would be especially more risky to participate in something like that would be in some sort of autocratic or similar government.

S.Korea would not appreciate someone using a fake SSN. However, he's not using it to embezzle funds or pursue anything more than play a game, so even if he was caught I still say that the chances of the government doing anything about it are nill.

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  • tagus
  • 11 Points
  • 03:49:21, 15 March

>:words:

yeah!

fuck the law lets go poop on a cop car!

> Oh and yeah, you heard right, Nexon will allow foreigners to play their games as long as it's in a foreign country, so double-fuck them.

False.

Nexon has a Korean branch, a Japanese branch, and an American/European branch. The one that you're talking about is the American/European branch. They have different, independent clients for each of the countries (though idk what they have in Japan tbh - I just know that Nexon exists there too).

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  • DickFaggotMcCunt
  • 2 Points
  • 04:57:54, 15 March

S.Mouse fan?

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  • appropriate_name
  • -1 Points
  • 09:11:56, 15 March

AHH SLAB MAH ELBOWSSS U DO IT LIKE DIIIIIIIIZZZZ

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  • yep_I_agree
  • 1 Points
  • 13:59:09, 15 March

I saw that link and clicked anyway.

http://i.imgur.com/R3X0i.jpg

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  • Hirudo_Medicinalis
  • 0 Points
  • 15:34:11, 15 March

believe N3TS3cure's point is that they have the ability to let foreigners play, since they built that out in other regions' clients.

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  • N3TS3cure
  • -18 Points
  • 03:54:27, 15 March

No, I'm right: they may have separate branches but they're still the same company. And a company that's a steaming pile of shit in at least 2 of its 3 tenant areas is a steaming pile of shit through and through.

So let me get this straight: you're going to just bend over and take the big one from Nexon and S.K. because it's "illegal" to do otherwise? That's, once again, a steaming pile of shit. You must be one of those guys that just loooooves EA.

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  • blastcage
  • 4 Points
  • 03:58:52, 15 March

>You must be one of those guys that just loooooves EA.

Ya blew it

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  • N3TS3cure
  • -19 Points
  • 04:02:54, 15 March

I don't quite recall blowing anything. I made a connection between someone who just lets a company roll over them with their policies and the typical EA fanboy.

hint: they're usually the same person

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  • blastcage
  • 5 Points
  • 04:08:54, 15 March

As in you started making stupid personal attacks instead of sticking to your (poor) argument.

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  • SpartanAltair15
  • 5 Points
  • 04:10:48, 15 March

I don't remember the part where not wanting to BREAK INTERNATIONAL LAW made you an EA fanboy.

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  • N3TS3cure
  • -15 Points
  • 04:15:02, 15 March

It doesn't, I was making a connection which may or may not be correct.

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  • race_hearse
  • 5 Points
  • 04:23:17, 15 March

You sound like you may (or may not) like sticking your fist up your butt while trying to do a front flip.

The connection may or may not be correct, but I'll just say it anyway.

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  • SpartanAltair15
  • 2 Points
  • 04:19:45, 15 March

>I made a connection between someone who just lets a company roll over them with their policies and the typical EA fanboy.

Your words.

Literally the only way he has to not get rolled over on is to commit international fraud and fake being a citizen of country he's not. There are some pretty serious repercussions to that.

Your logic:

Defy company policy or you are compared to an EA fanboy.

Defy company policy = break international laws.

Break international laws or you are hinted at being an EA fanboy.

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  • dan_au
  • 2 Points
  • 04:08:56, 15 March

He isn't letting the company roll over him, that's why he made the thread. He's just trying to get the policy changed so he can play the game legitimately.

Just because he wants to do it above board, he's a "typical EA fanboy"? You're just drama mongering.

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  • N3TS3cure
  • -9 Points
  • 04:21:17, 15 March

He IS letting the company roll over him.

You can safely assume nothing will come of posting a complaint about this on Reddit. S.Korea doesn't give a shit and Valve wants to make money so they won't do anything. Although if they did it'd be badass.

Therefore, he's not going to get to play the game. He already replied "illegal" multiple times to similar suggestions, so he obviously isn't going to do anything about it in that area.

His current efforts are futile, he refuses to pursue avenues that would work, ergo he is letting the company roll over him.

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  • tagus
  • 2 Points
  • 04:12:50, 15 March

Relevant

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  • N3TS3cure
  • -9 Points
  • 04:17:33, 15 March

So to back yourself up you linked to a thread created by yourself? That doesn't work.

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  • ulvok_coven
  • 13 Points
  • 04:02:19, 15 March

> I am twelve, and believe not only will no one hold me responsible for my actions, but watch a lot of bad TV dramas and think you can actually use morality as an argument for anything

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  • N3TS3cure
  • -17 Points
  • 04:12:58, 15 March

lol ok, so let me guess:

  • It's OK when games are locked to someone's console and can't be used on a friend's - without of course paying for the game/season pass again.

  • It's totally cool to lock someone out of playing a game just because of their nationality.

  • DRM is THE BEST THING EVER in all forms - even ones requiring you to stay online for a single-player game.

All of these things are cool right? NBD?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that that is all bullshit, and it doesn't take the maturity of a 12 year old to get someone to do something about it. There's a reason companies like EA are losing loads of money and are slowly dying: enough people are angry at their policies and practices that they choose to do something illegal in order to circumvent them - or just not play their games at all. This is no different.

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  • tagus
  • 9 Points
  • 04:18:44, 15 March

> Black and white reasoning

I'm sorry but you're being a little silly right now.

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  • N3TS3cure
  • -13 Points
  • 04:27:04, 15 March

I'm not using black and white reasoning. Companies make these decisions because they believe it will net them the most profit. Eventually -hopefully - they will see the error of their ways and change their policies in order to gain as much playerbase as possible back.

Until that happens, you will not be able to play the game - possibly never in this circumstance since Valve isn't losing that many potential players and Nexon has no reason to change.

So having utilized all other alternatives, you only have 2 options left. Well 3 I suppose.

1) Circumvent the unfair policies

2) Don't play the game

3) Don't play the game and keep complaining to the proper people, however that's a wasted effort for previously stated reasons.

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  • huldumadur
  • 5 Points
  • 10:29:10, 15 March

I'm seriously starting to think you're a schizophrenic.

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  • pongo
  • -17 Points
  • 05:09:42, 15 March

stop using 4chan-style green text out-of-context-quotes you fucking faggot

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  • nortern
  • 3 Points
  • 08:33:20, 15 March

It's OK if it's clear upfront that's what you're paying for. If you don't like it you have a right not to buy it, you don't have a right to steal it.

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  • ulvok_coven
  • 1 Points
  • 04:37:41, 15 March

Absolutely none of this changes that such an activity would be illegal.

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  • N3TS3cure
  • -9 Points
  • 04:46:14, 15 March

I realize that. But once again I pose the question "and?"

The chances of being caught are negligible and there is literally zero chance that the government would do anything about it even if he was caught. And everything Nexon would do would also be circumvent-able.

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  • ulvok_coven
  • 5 Points
  • 05:14:00, 15 March

> and there is literally zero chance that the government would do anything about it even if he was caught.

Haha, yeah, alright. The chance is small but the trouble is serious. It's his own damn business if he doesn't want to break the law.

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  • Officalpartyaccount
  • 0 Points
  • 04:34:04, 15 March

Calm down johnny

you don't actually buy the game you just buy a license. How they ~~Fuck~~ Treat you after that is up to them.

PS EA isn't losing loads of money even after Sim city. Stop being such a butt hurt consumer

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  • N3TS3cure
  • -11 Points
  • 04:43:48, 15 March

I'm not a butt hurt consumer, haven't paid a dime to them since... well I can't remember to be honest with you.

And purchasing the game comes with the full expectation that you will be able to play and enjoy your game, not get stifled with bs DRM. But I think we're getting beside the point here.

And EA has been reporting net losses. Revenue is below their projections and I believe that that is a trend that will stick, due to how pissed the majority of their player base is.

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  • Officalpartyaccount
  • 2 Points
  • 04:53:32, 15 March

>And EA has been reporting net losses. Revenue is below their projections and I believe that that is a trend that will stick, due to how pissed the majority of their player base is.

Its sold thou the roof and they refused refunds thou origin I doubt they lost that much money. Dead space 3 also sold very well. BF3 is a contant money maker with Downloadable content. Any loss's report to share holders isnt being reflected in there share prices http://au.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=EA#symbol=ea;range=1y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

>And purchasing the game comes with the full expectation that you will be able to play and enjoy your game, not get stifled with bs DRM. But I think we're getting beside the point here.

They dont care if you enjoy the DRM they consider it a added bonus.

>I'm not a butt hurt consumer, haven't paid a dime to them since... well I can't remember to be honest with you.

Well more power to you. Boycotting works so well Dayz made alot of money and it was universally hated

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  • N3TS3cure
  • -3 Points
  • 05:08:30, 15 March

I was referring to Quarter loses actually. Nearly every game sells really well the first couple weeks. But the fact that

a) it is the worst-rated product on Amazon ever

b) it has so much negative connotations behind it

c) reviews are so bad that Amazon actually suspended sales of it briefly

leads me to believe that ultimately it will show to be one of EA's worst-selling games. Eventually once they get their server issues sorted out and they (hopefully) remove the god-awful DRM, they may see a turn-around. I don't know. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

> Dayz made alot of money and it was universally hated

Um... what? First off, I'm not sure how DayZ could make money given that it's a mod, and second DayZ was universally loved and still has a strong playerbase.

I think you are referring to The War Z, which was awful. I never saw figures from it, but the fact that it was so hated that steam removed it from the servers for a lengthy period of time and refunds were available, I highly doubt it.

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  • magicpork
  • 0 Points
  • 12:53:29, 15 March

I'm upvoting this just so more ppl can appreciate the stupidity...

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  • goodatsports
  • 0 Points
  • 15:02:37, 15 March

YOU GOTTA FIGHT. FOR YOUR RIGHT. TO WAAAAAARD ROSH.