Pony rides through the park. Is it ok, to take your fetish public? (np.reddit.com)
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184 comments submitted at 11:59:44 on Apr 7, 2014 by Shrek1982
Pony rides through the park. Is it ok, to take your fetish public? (np.reddit.com)
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148 ups - 49 downs = 99 votes
184 comments submitted at 11:59:44 on Apr 7, 2014 by Shrek1982
Why can't Reddit ever agree on anything? Why can't we all agree that running half naked through a public park as part of your sexual fantasy is not socially acceptable? Why does Reddit feel the need to defend stupid stuff. Why.
What if it's thousands of completely naked people riding their bikes through the streets, which is regarded as a standard activity in many major Western cities?
Tbh they did specify "as part of your sexual fantasy"
So if they were running through the park half naked as part of a joke/youtube "prank" it would be acceptable...but because inside their head they are getting sexual gratification from it that makes it not okay?
I was going to say something similar. However I think in both cases it is pretty messed up. The fact that it is messed up is why they do it.
I once ran buttnaked down the street in a Michael Myers mask on a dare.
I can only assume this story involves halloween and booze.
Definitely booze, and fifty bucks. I was 16, drunk, and broke. One of my idiot friends had a camcorder, and got it all on tape.
A few months later his mom found, and watched the tape. Talk about embarrassing.
but you made $50 and thats all that matters
Gotta get paid, you know.
Don't move to Portland.
What's up with Portland?
World's largest naked bike ride, and a general acceptance, both legally and socially, of public nudity.
We have a naked skateboarder every other afternoon on my street.
It is normal and acceptable to me.
I can see a difference between the two.
Yes.
By doing it as part of your kink, wanting to be seen etc., you make everyone who sees you an unwilling participant in your fantasy.
If I pull my friend's pants down as a joke, and some people see his penis, it's funny. Yeah, some people might be repulsed, and if someone's kids saw it I would apologize if confronted.
There's a big difference between that and trenchcoat flashing someone. A very big difference.
But the difference is decided in the mind of the viewer. That's beyond anyone else's control, unless you insist your emotional reactions are the responsibility of others.
In other words, a penis is a penis whether waved around in playful or a kinky fashion. Your reaction to either is a choice.
> In other words, a penis is a penis whether waved around in playful or a kinky fashion. Your reaction to either is a choice.
So, using your logic, either all penises should be banned from view by law, or else flashing someone should be perfectly legal?
"So by your view (NONSENSE)"
Good stuff.
First of all, no one's genitals are on display in this image. But frankly: Yes, all penises should be illegal to display in public places. And, surprise, they are! If you pull someone's pants down in a public park, you can be arrested. If you take a leak on the side of an elementary school you can be put on a sex offendor's list. In both instances the Crime is presenting genitals in public, not the thought crime of "Thinking dirty thoughts while doing so."
You literally said that a penis is a penis and it's up the person seeing it to deal with it, so please explain how what I said was nonsense. I was using your logic, there was no twisting your opinion.
I think we can agree flashers should be dealt with in a much more severe manner than someone pulling their friend's pants down as a joke. So no, a penis is not a penis. Context is very important.
Similarly, a woman who takes her top off at the beach to tan isn't doing anything wrong in my opinion. If she takes her top off and waves her breasts at traffic, then I do think she's doing something wrong.
In the case at hand, we have two people who are exhibiting themselves to people who probably don't want to be exhibited to. These two people don't care, they're obviously deriving some sort of pleasure from intentionally making everyone else uncomfortable. These people are assholes.
>You literally said that a penis is a penis
Did I literally say that?
Because I didn't. Are you possibly confusing me with the other guy? you're arguing with at least 2 people here.
As for
>I think we can agree flashers should be dealt with in a much more severe manner than someone pulling their friend's pants down as a joke
Can we? Because I think I said exactly the opposite of that. Not only do I not think they should be, they aren't. They are handled the same under the letter of the law. (Though to be fair you are comparing two very different situations i.e. forcibly exposing someone else, and someone exposing themselves, which is why my "Taking a leak in public" v. "Flashing" example, while not perfect, is still better.)
What if it's not that, and instead is this thing that's the actual topic of conversation?
What if you made an honest argument in favor of that, instead of immediately derailing to something else?
You think that maybe general consensus might be different for those circumstances? Like, maybe wearing your fetish outfit in public might be slightly different?
I'm from Portland, so maybe my generally barometer on these things is a little non-standard.
It's not socially acceptable, but I don't see the harm in it
Just like publicly masturbating, right?
Well, no actually. Public masturbation involves exposing yourself and actively stimulating an orgasm which we have laws against.
Wearing sexually stimulating clothing, like a bikini or a fetish pony outfit, is not illegal, though it is often considered socially unacceptable in certain environments.
> Wearing sexually stimulating clothing, like a bikini or a fetish pony outfit, is not illegal
Depending on the getup, it may be.
Doesn't that just depend on how much skin is shown though?
It depends on the degree of exhibitionism, yes. Just like this example.
Right, so this example is legal, right?
I don't believe they got arrested, no. But if you use "illegal or not" as your only metric of socially accpetable or "right", then you're in some trouble.
Of course. But in this case it seems reasonable that the people involved wanted to engage in a "taboo" public display for the thrill of it, and then did so in a legal way.
They also seem to have gotten the expected result: socially they have made a public spectacle of themselves and provoked judgements and laughing insults, and they will likely continue to face social consequences from those who recognize them. Legally it's a non-issue since they haven't broken any laws.
Legally they don't deserve a punishment, and socially they will get whatever punishment people care to inflict on them. Seems pretty fair to me.
But should people be legally prevented from walking around in pony outfits that show as much skin as a one-piece bathing suit?
what if you're masturbating with your clothes on? Through the clothes?
Well that I can more understand why it would upset people
I don't think I'd really care though. I guess I'm Dornish
That person isn't half-naked. They're not even a little naked. They are wearing pants and a shirt. And a mask.
I'm actually kind of torn on this. If the picture was of someone in a gimp suit walking their two lovers, who are also in gimp suits, on leashes, I would agree with you completely.
Somehow, in my mind, this picture is tamer than that, but that distinction is clearly arbitrary. Which makes me wonder if, maybe, all of the things anyone objects to are arbitrary, and vary wildly from person to person. So when you apply that to a community the size of /r/wtf, you get a large percentage of people who think this isn't stupid at all, and that the folks in this picture aren't in the wrong at all.
I could also argue that no one's getting their rocks off in this photo, but that would be assuming I know what's going on in that horse's head (or pants), which I don't.
Because you are making a shitload of assumptions?
1)How do you know it is a fetish/sexual fantasy for these people? Maybe it's just cosplay?
2)She doesn't look half naked to me. In fact, she seems to be wearing more clothing than your average jogger. A lot of people seem to think she is topless and exposing her breasts., but if she is, she is pretty flatchested. Not to mention several cities allow women to be topless in public(New York comes to mind).
> Why can't we all agree that running half naked through a public park as part of your sexual fantasy is not socially acceptable?
This leads me 3)I love seeing fit topless guys in general. Is it not socially acceptable now since that is part of my sexual fantasy?
> 3)I love seeing fit topless guys in general. Is it not socially acceptable now since that is part of my sexual fantasy?
Unless you start masturbating on the spot, I fail to see how it's comparable as most people in the linked thread seem to take issue mostly with the fact that they're unwillingly made to participate in someone else's fetish
Are we looking at the same pic? I don't seen anyone masturbating.
I ran with your example the best I could tbh
well thats my point. Where do we draw the line of "this is not acceptable because someone, somewhere might be getting sexual pleasure from it"? It's an interesting thing to think about, giving how our society once deemed ankle's risque at one point.
I think it's kinda like hugging and kissing in public. It's clearly meant to be romantic and sexual, but it's tame enough that nobody will be disturbed by it.
My point is your example didn't include forcing other people to participate
How are they being forced in that pic?
Humiliation / exhibitionism, a good part of the fun is being seen by people, "breaking" the taboo (which is why even if this becomes socially acceptable, there'll always be people ready to break w/e is the taboo at the time for the kicks)
OK, back to my example of fit topless guys. I really love seeing them run/workout and their muscles work, it is really sexy. At what point does me watching them become a taboo, something that is not socially accepted?
I thought it was a guy?
It could be. Again, it's really hard to tell. I'm just going off of the comment thread and that the pony has long hair and a feminine figure.
Pony suits kinda give everyone a feminine figure. I assumed because of the topless thing it was a guy.
This is no worse than some of the stuff you see at a gay pride parade. Why are you such a homophobe?
How am I a homophobe? Are you just grabbing random labels?
He's upset that people call him out on not liking gay pride parades.
NSFW-- no nudity, but TW for dildz
Why would you say something so bigoted? I can't even begin to describe how sickened I am that a comment such as yours was made in 2014. I think you need to check your straight privilege and stop policing how some homosexuals choose to express themselves. An innocent display of pride such as this is in no way as obscene as the photo being discussed in the linked thread.
I honestly don't know. Instinctively I kind of wince when I see this, but I've seen lewder displays from straight girls on Halloween and at music festivals, and that never seems to get cries of "think of the children!"