After his accusations was removed from SRD, user posts the same accusation to /r/drama - the accused shows up. The next chapter of david-me meta-drama-wave. (np.reddit.com)
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154 comments submitted at 20:09:02 on Apr 6, 2014 by FMecha
>TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK is a bit culture-policey, but probably wouldn't have banned for that comment if it weren't from David-me.
Yesterday a troll account repeatedly accused me of being a pedophile without bringing any proof. /u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK said it was unpleasant, but not worthy of a warning. None of the other mods responded. All the comments are now deleted, presumably so the troll account can deny it and still go on blithely fucking around. And David gets banned over all this. I get that it's a pattern of behavior, but come on. I'm at a total loss here.
Dude was banned. You also called him a racist, so it's not like he was the only one throwing punches, there.
Thank you. I appreciate action was taken, though I am still displeased that it took repeated requests, both in mod mail and in unrelated comment threads. I'm also a bit puzzled as to how it goes from "not worthy of a warning" to a ban. Finally, it would've been nice to have, you know, any kind of communication about it so I can quit fucking bitching.
The user in question only posts here, is in the negative hundreds for comment karma, and has been featured in SRD posts twice in recent memory, once for spouting revisionist Civil War history, once for supporting the idea that certain minorities are genetically closer to chimps than whites. I am not "throwing punches," and I resent the insinuation.
Dude. I did communicate with you. That wasn't good enough, though, you demanded a detailed explanation of why I took no action. And I'm sorry, but I don't have time to explain every mod action I take or don't take, especially when I'm dealing with repeated PMs suggesting I kill myself.
As it was, a mod with different sensibilities came along and made a different decision, which is exactly what I said in modmail.
Following me around demanding I take the action you want is very much not a good tactic to employ if you disagree with a modding decision.
You sent me a single message. "Unpleasant, but not worth a warning." I felt a little clarification was in order, as it definitely seemed to clarify the "no personal attacks rule." I was not belligerent. I try to be as respectful as possible. I care about this community.
And I understand that you do not have time to quibble over every little detail. Which would be well and good if I didn't see you yesterday commenting over and over and over and over in petty horseshit threads, trying to defend and explain about things in a non-mod capacity all goddamnit night, while I have a legitimate complaint that affects me personally and the community as a whole. No time to communicate a bit with me; plenty of time to keep this drama rolling in 6 or 7 meta subs including this one.
I didn't follow your around. You were impossible to escape in the comments around here last night. Everywhere I looked, there you were. Taking time from your very busy modding duties to scuffle around ad nauseum. Perhaps I was wrong in hijacking stuff, but can you why I don't really buy the idea that you didn't have time to address my legitimate issues?
Look, I appreciate the mod team, and I'm glad action was taken. But this has not been a very good experience for me. I don't have an ax to grind in this larger fight, and I don't really have any opinion about it or you either way. Except the one that is now forming from this. I do not feel like being reasonable and respectful is being met with the same from you. You are alienating me, and probably a lot of other people, for reasons that have nothing to do with this current jerkoff.
>I was not belligerent.
>I do not feel like being reasonable and respectful is being met with the same from you.
Bull-ass shit. This is what you sent me:
>Gee, thanks. Can you take a moment out of the very important work of fucking around in the sub you mod to explain to me why my exchange with that user does not constitute a "personal attack" as per the sidebar? This is completely ridiculous. I have a legitimate complaint about an obvious troll who is actively making the community a shittier place, and the only response I can get in seven hours is two lines from a mod who's too busy with his own bullshit.
I mod this place on my own time because I, too, care about the community, and you don't get to define what, when, and where I mod. If you "feel a little clarification is in order," send it to modmail. If we don't respond for a minute, or an hour, or ten hours, that means we were doing things other than modding.
I was not belligerent in my initial requests for a bit of clarification. I was not making loud demands that you reply immediately. After a while I started getting frustrated. Because I couldn't get a reply from you or anyone.
Consider also that what you quoted was not from modmail, as you know. It was from an unrelated comment. The only way I could get you to reply was to address you in the bullshit.
>I mod this place on my own time because I, too, care about the community, and you don't get to define what, when, and where I mod
I respect that, but you do have a responsibility to the users here. You don't seem to understand that I and others are trying to meet you halfway.
>If you "feel a little clarification is in order," send it to modmail. If we don't respond for a minute, or an hour, or ten hours, that means we were doing things other than modding.
I did. And if those other things are "wading around in the drama for hours and hours" I'm not particularly sympathetic. That's a shitty way to think of things. You are not doing a good job, man. Plain and simple.
I'll repeat: you DID GET A REPLY. You just didn't like it.
So if you "aren't sympathetic" then neither am I of anything you're asking for. And "meeting me halfway" is not "keep asking until you get the response you want."
I gave you a response. You didn't like the response you got. Neither I nor my comods owe you repeated "clarifications" of anything. As it is, you got what you wanted, so I suggest being patient with your volunteer moderators next time.
I did indeed get a reply! "Unpleasant, but not worth banning." Which is absolutely too vague to be satisfactory, especially given the context. And it WAS NOT a matter of me asking over and over for the response I wanted. I bumped my modmail thread and waited ten hours. While you argued with people across multiple subs.
I had a legitimate complaint and you're treating it like I'm trying to string you up. You are not responding to this with any sense of proportion, and you seem to be letting your personal shit color your interactions with uninvested members of the community. You can hide behind volunteer status all you want. What do you want, a medal? Unvolunteer yourself and we can find someone else.
Alright, I'm done here. New rule just for you: don't follow me or any of my comods around demanding their attention.
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You... you realize they don't get paid for this, right?
THIS DRAMA IS TEARING OUR FAMILY APART
You might not have followed him around, but you did try and hijack a few comments. Since he removed all of those comments, it's easy to see that you ticked him off. Maybe bumping your modmail thread would have been better than trying to publicly shame him.
No public shame, but yeah, that probably wasn't the best way to go about things, I'll admit that. I was incensed, though, because it was becoming clear that fighting with people in threads was more important than modding. I did indeed bump my modmail thread, and after nine or ten hours was feeling a little put off.
Also, which comments? I think another mod axed those.
An unrelated thought, but it used to be that SRD mods burned out after half a year, sometimes earlier. Like CptSisko, he was universally loved before being modded, and then lo, not a few months later he left the mod team, deleted his account, and apparently left the subreddit, reddit, and the internet as a whole.
So, the natural selection apparently selected for mods who don't give a fuck about most of the shit. Which includes banning people sometimes if they feel like that and not giving a fuck about whatever outrage.
It's like that joke, an interviewer interviews the founder of a "Not Giving A Fuck" religious sect:
-- So you don't give a fuck about sex, do you?
-- Not a single fuck.
-- And about family and friends, surely you must give some fucks?
-- Nope, as deserted of fuck as some great desert that I don't give a fuck about.
-- OK, what about money?
-- What about money? I like money and take money seriously, dude. I want money.
-- How so, you are not supposed to give a fuck about anything!?
-- Like I give a fuck about that, my dear.
IIRC he was becoming a cop, so he felt he needed to delete his reddit account because it was too directly tied with his IRL identity? Or something? I feel like he made another username and left a few more comments, but that might have just been a fever dream.
>especially when I'm dealing with repeated PMs suggesting I kill myself.
:(
Has that stopped at least?
It has! Don't worry, I anticipated at least a few of them. Comes with the territory.
Bah! I despise nastygrams though. It makes me sad to think of how pathetic someone's life is that they sat there and wrote that.
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Yeah :(
This sub gathers the most horrible kinds of people (mostly coming from the announcing bot). That's why mentioning certain subs that deal specifically with these topics will get your comment auto-filtered.
I just wanted to say that I usually get pretty fast responses when I talk to the mods. Though of course I agree with you that they should ban someone who uses slurs like that.
They should just have automod remove slurs. Best way to keep offenders from offending without causing drama.
We have automod report them, but not remove them, because more often than not they ARE being used in the context of actually discussing their use.
Yea I still think that will just cause more drama. i.e. "I think using nigger will take the power from the word" - 50 children and counting.
I know that nature of the sub may require a different approach, but I know that life got a lot easier for me when I got automod all set up.
Which slurs though? What if we're just discussing a word, and not using it in a derogatory way?
the slurs that we auto removed in /r/trees are "nigger", "nigga", "cunt", "faggot", "fag", "dyke". This list is more or less in the other subs I mod as well.
Honestly if people are discussing the the meaning of one of those words it will just bring in drama and cause more harm than good.
> Honestly if people are discussing the the meaning of one of those words it will just bring in drama and cause more harm than good.
I think this is a good point. Discussions about these words are probably better suited for an /r/ask____ sub or something, anyway.
exactly, there are more appropriate places to discuss it.
They were actually removed by a moderator and the user was banned