Update on the Men's Pride club at my school. (i.imgur.com)

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268 ups - 84 downs = 184 votes

36 comments submitted at 11:10:24 on Mar 31, 2014 by TheTrueMuffinMan

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  • onetenth
  • 16 Points
  • 13:46:23, 31 March

I like the idea and the message. The name has terrible connotations though. And unfortunately, marketing is crucial to social change.

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  • nobody2000
  • 14 Points
  • 13:53:39, 31 March

Is the 63% figure all males or is that out of males who were attacked by their SO's? If it's the former, it seems a bit high. If it's the latter, it's very believable.

Also - even though radfems will tear these down or try to belittle you, there are lots of level headed people who will appreciate good facts. Please use the whitespace on the flyer as an opportunity to support your facts using sources.

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  • Jonas223XC
  • 4 Points
  • 15:13:12, 31 March

Yeah, I was going to point that out as well. The statistic should say "Of men who are attacked by their female Significant Other, 63% of the time is with a deadly weapon." Although to be honest even that statistic seems VERY high to me, so I am going to have to ask for a source on that one.

It is probably also worthwhile to mention that primary aggressor policies in the VAWA mean that men are often arrested when they call the police on their SO.

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  • theQuandary
  • 2 Points
  • 15:38:33, 31 March

I think the study said that in domestic violence cases where weapons are used, 63% of the time the weapon wielder is a woman (and the number of cases has drastically increased in the past few years). I'll look up the specific study later when I have the time (I think it's from the cdc).

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  • Jonas223XC
  • 1 Points
  • 15:41:52, 31 March

...okay THAT makes a lot more sense. But yeah I'm still curious to see the study, if you get a chance <3

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  • Fhwqhgads
  • 22 Points
  • 12:00:14, 31 March

How long until it gets ripped down in the name of tolerance and free speech?

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  • starbuxed
  • 4 Points
  • 15:28:52, 31 March

First thought.

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  • NegativeZEN
  • 2 Points
  • 15:43:30, 31 March

But but, the patriarchy! What about muh legbearded rights?!

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  • rbrockway
  • 16 Points
  • 11:32:41, 31 March

Well done. I firmly believe pride in being a man is lacking among young western men and this is something we need to remedy as soon as we can. This is why I called my new site 'Men Be Proud'.

http://menbeproud.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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  • BrSy
  • -7 Points
  • 12:12:55, 31 March

How is a random accident of birth something to be proud of? Just because it's not something to be ashamed of doesn't mean the opposite is true.

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  • YetAnotherCommenter
  • 26 Points
  • 12:20:43, 31 March

BrSy,

I agree with you, but I think that you need to understand "male pride" really as a "don't be ashamed for being male" thing rather than a "be proud for being male" thing.

"Gay pride" is a good analogy. Assuming sexual orientation is not chosen, then you can't really be "proud" of it. However, the point of "gay pride" is that in this society, many people try to make gay people feel ashamed of being gay; "gay pride" is really "don't feel ashamed for being gay" rather than "be proud of being gay."

Behind all of this is a definition of "pride" as "lacking in shame." The idea is pride should be a normal state, with shame being a deviation from that.

Hope that helps explain things!

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  • rbrockway
  • 8 Points
  • 12:37:02, 31 March

Beautiful explanation. If you don't object I may quote you at some point.

FWIW I always cite when I quote.

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  • YetAnotherCommenter
  • 2 Points
  • 12:44:36, 31 March

Thank you! I don't object to being quoted at all! Please feel welcome to quote me any time.

The citation is greatly appreciated. Thank you :)

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  • yourotherusername
  • 2 Points
  • 14:03:03, 31 March

> you! I don't object to

Originally posted by /u/YetAnotherCommenter

Aww shucks, Thanks!

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  • mkr
  • 2 Points
  • 15:41:02, 31 March

This is roughly how I feel about gay pride. I'm not going to let some asshole make me feel bad about it, and I'll make a scene over it if pressed.

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  • BrSy
  • -2 Points
  • 12:26:58, 31 March

Sure, I understand your meaning, but for some reason it still comes off the wrong way for me. It contrasts you with the kind of people who actually do think themselves superior because of arbitary trait x regardless of your actual meaning. I don't exactly like the whole "LGBT pride" language either for the same reasons, despite being included in that group myself.

It just seems like there should be a better way to get the point across.

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  • YetAnotherCommenter
  • 4 Points
  • 12:30:07, 31 March

Well of course, but the rigors of perfectly accurate semantics don't necessarily sit well with the demands of catchy public relations.

"Gay Pride" may be semantically imperfect... but "Gay Anti-Shame" isn't as catchy and doesn't fit as easily on T-shirts etc.

And if you see "pride" as definitionally equivalent to "lacking in shame" then the semantic quibbles vanish.

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  • mkr
  • 1 Points
  • 15:45:59, 31 March

This fits with one of the definitions Google provides: > the consciousness of one's own dignity.

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  • Babill
  • 1 Points
  • 15:28:50, 31 March

I agree with you. Plus, too much resemblance to "white pride", which is not something to be proud of.

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  • mkr
  • 1 Points
  • 15:50:49, 31 March

Pride can also be a refusal to allow others to define and judge you. "White pride" as a concept will likely become less negative as white-shaming becomes more popular, especially as historically white-majority populations become less homogeneous.

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  • circuitology
  • 8 Points
  • 13:08:46, 31 March

It's a good start, but it needs more information, a URL for example. As it is, it just, you know, says things. The reader needs to know where to find more info.

It doesn't even mention that it's from the club, is that intentional?

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  • Ak_Float_Flyer
  • 3 Points
  • 14:37:34, 31 March

Good on you! But LGBT owns the rights to the word "pride". For what it's worth...

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  • TRPACC
  • 4 Points
  • 11:59:30, 31 March

Its great to see things like that happening, its takes courage to do it. So well done who ever did.

My own opinion is that its too like a victim competition, are we supposed to think the route to pride is being victims of DV?

Just because feminism exploits victimhood doesn't mean its necessarily the correct model for men. In a way doing that legitimizes the feminist victimhood scam.

I would be going for pointing out that abuse has been deliberately and inaccurately put on men, people are going to react a lot better to that then they will men competing to be seen as DV victims, but that's just my take.

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  • yourotherusername
  • 2 Points
  • 14:06:05, 31 March

This person is making a great discussion point, if you disagree then comment. Down votes are for things that don't add to the conversation.

I too feel that it makes it more like a competition. But what better way could it be formatted?

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  • robesta
  • 0 Points
  • 13:07:28, 31 March

Agree completely. I see you're already downvoted for thinking independently. That's not encouraged on this sub.

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  • ebonlance
  • 2 Points
  • 14:38:27, 31 March

Can I have a source on that 63% figure?

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  • SolaireAstora
  • 1 Points
  • 15:49:11, 31 March

There are more men in prison, more men get suspended and expelled, like 95% of homeless are men, more men on death row, men don't live as long, homosexual men more likely to get AIDS than homosexual women.

There are tons of things that you can use. Pick the best ones you can find and put them on the flyer.

Make sure you source them though, or else people will just call bullshit as they rip them down.

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  • ninja_at_law
  • 1 Points
  • 15:51:48, 31 March

How do you period?

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  • Pointless_arguments
  • 1 Points
  • 15:52:10, 31 March

Jesus is this what this MRM thing has come to? Is that the message - "men are victims too"?

Well count me out, thinking of yourself as a victim is not a healthy mindset. Encouraging people to think of themselves as victims is sick. I am creeped out by this whole victim bandwagon, it's annoying when feminists and SJW's do it and it's annoying when other groups try to jump in.

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  • Offensive_Brute
  • 2 Points
  • 12:58:42, 31 March

needs a url with links to sources. that will be the crown jewel.

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  • yourotherusername
  • 4 Points
  • 14:04:07, 31 March

Great time for a QR code!

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  • cuckname
  • 1 Points
  • 15:19:53, 31 March

I know a woman who just went to jail for domestic violence and her bf did not go. So downvote me for that

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  • Ucanthandledatruth
  • -21 Points
  • 12:41:27, 31 March

When reading the name, the first thing that popped into my head was that it's a bunch of fagots whining in a victim narrative. I believe this will be the overall take-away for the majority of heterosexual people. Appearances matter in all things political. Our aim is to unify, not divide. We do not get wider support by straying from the center.

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  • Gray_FoxSW20
  • 8 Points
  • 13:24:21, 31 March

if your going to talk shit at least spell faggot right

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  • nobody2000
  • 6 Points
  • 13:54:58, 31 March

If I tell you about your use of "your" will I get caught up in the crossfire?

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  • yourotherusername
  • 3 Points
  • 14:06:53, 31 March

It may bug others, but I love this about reddit!