Men's Rights/4chan raid on a college's sexual assault reporting page gets mixed results in /r/mensrights. "Before you guys get your underwear in a bunch, it may help to actually read the fucking document." Popcorn throughout. (np.reddit.com)
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100 comments submitted at 18:11:57 on Dec 17, 2013 by KettleChipz1
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9788265/Teenager-falsely-accused-of-rape-beaten-to-death-by-gang.html
Your circlejerking is actually more likely than you think.
...and yet here is a supposed rights group making a mockery of the whole thing. What are they trying to achieve here? All I see is them making themselves look hypocritical and heartless.
Along with any men who are too ashamed to admit to being the victims of rape and sexual assault to be able to make some kind of a statistical difference.
Or does /r/mr think that men cannot be the victims of rape?
They only care about male rape victims when a girl talks about being raped.
Or when it helps further their cause.
Aren't you supposed to make a mockery of the thing?
You and I seem to be looking at this differently: You see mockery, I see them indicating in what ways the system can be abused.
You don't think they could've been more tactful and less immature, hypocritical and selfish by writing an email?
Which would have been promptly disregarded.
Now they're going to make their whole movement be promptly disregarded. Kudos!
By who? Anyone that thought this system was a good idea instead of actually addressing the issue (the attitudes of staff members to whom alleged rapes are reported) probably already disdains any kind of MRA movement.
By everyone else who hears about this and didn't know much about the MRA movement.
Really? You don't think any of the people hearing about this could take fault with a system that was designed to address a problem that doesn't exist in the first place? The problem outlined in the article was that after being reported, rapes were dismissed or justified away by the university representatives designed to take them seriously. I just saw that in an article linked in this thread. I've read the lack of action on the part of university staff elsewhere as well. It seems like rapes need to be taken seriously once reported, not that they weren't being reported in the first instance. If anything this system makes it harder for the victim to know if their case is being seriously investigated, because if it's meant to be anonymous they can hardly verify progress.
No, see, it has nothing really to do with this little thing that the college is doing.
It's more of how so many people in the Men's Rights movement thinks that false rape accusations are actually worse than rape. And then they'll see this. Members of the MRA movement reporting false rapes and encouraging people to, and I quote, "The quickest way to shut this one down is to anonymously report random women and let them sweat in the hot seat. This will be over before it begins." Or "I'd like to see one sent with the name of every member of the Dean of Students Office as the offender."
See the problem here?
>probably already disdains any kind of MRA movement.
I have a feeling that number is gonna increase when people find out they like sticking it to victims instead of actually contact the people that made the process. I mean it's just spiteful at the minimum. No one has even shown that false reports would go anywhere.
Contact the people that made the process, really? "Hey, I'm some random person who doesn't go to your university. I'm just calling you to say that I disagree with your new method of reporting sexual assault. I assume you've put no thought into the idea and are ready to shut it down on the words from a couple strangers, so please do so. Thanks!"
An article someone linked in this thread shows that the person to whom a rape was reported dismissed it because "he didn't seem like the kind of person to do that." Seems to me that kind of idiotic response is what should be tackled first, rather than skipping the problem entirely and creating a new method of reporting rapes when there was only a problem with the old method because the people hearing reports obviously weren't responding appropriately.
> Contact the people that made the process, really? "Hey, I'm some random person who doesn't go to your university. I'm just calling you to say that I disagree with your new method of reporting sexual assault. I assume you've put no thought into the idea and are ready to shut it down on the words from a couple strangers, so please do so. Thanks!"
Sounds about 5 million times better, more appropriate, and professional than:
"Hey we're a group of spiteful assholes who are gonna spam your system with fraudulent reports even though we do not attend your school and would not be affected by your system of sexual assault reporting online."
Seriously, that's just fucking pathetic and I'd highly doubt anyone in charge of that system is going to do anything but sift through and throw out the prank reports.
>An article someone linked in this thread shows that the person to whom a rape was reported dismissed it because "he didn't seem like the kind of person to do that." Seems to me that kind of idiotic response is what should be tackled first, rather than skipping the problem entirely and creating a new method of reporting rapes when there was only a problem with the old method because the people hearing reports obviously weren't responding appropriately.
And what makes you think this system is a replacement? Why wouldn't it be in addition to the old system? Or maybe they're working on the old one too? Somehow I'm doubting the person who thinks it's logical to fuck over sexual abuse/assault victims because they dislike their online medium of being able to report it has the answers.
They are the only ones abusing it.
It's like rich people submitting false information to qualify for financial aid, then saying they don't actually want the money, they just want to stop others from being able to get it.
You seem very passionate, so I'm curious--how would you revise the system as it stands now?
That's an isolated incident. So that doesn't support your allegation that it's "more likely than you think."
On the other hand, here's some statistics that allege that the estimated amount of women worldwide that are killed every year in "honor killings" because they're raped is about 5,000 women.
Put up studies and statistics, or stop making claims you can't back up.
the unlawful killing of accused rapists (both male and female) in the United States (where the original article takes place) is not a common practice. I would argue that it's nonexistent, but we have a long history of lynching due to rape accusation where race was a factor (in the past), and there are also a lot of people here, so I'm sure there must be a few exceptions (in the present). To even suggest it is a likelihood is false. It is much more likely for a person who makes a rape accusation to be harassed, goaded and cajoled--this goes for both women and men (and especially men) who are accused of rape.