/r/SRSdiscussion discusses Hasidic Jews. Black guy talks about being targeted for abuse and harassment in hasidic communities, get's called an anti-semite. (np.reddit.com)
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189 comments submitted at 01:51:44 on Mar 24, 2014 by bluemayhem
The problem, though, is SRS doesn't really see Jews as a minority. They have SERIOUS problems with anti-semitism. Do a quick search in disco, and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. They even had a thread where the top comment was the equivalent of "well I have a Jewish friend."
It's a very odd phenomenon on the left, and one I frequently run into in the real world political groups I'm a part of. Jews truly are the most universally despised group. Even the most SJW of SJW will say things like, "The Jews should have learned their lesson from Hitler" when talking about Palestine. Here's the thing, if you think Hitler was "teaching the Jews a lesson" or the Jews "needed to be taught a lesson" via the Holocaust you are literally at Himmler levels of anti-semitism. The holocaust was not a moral lesson for the Jews. It was a horrible genocide. The thing that's most troublesome about anti-semitism on the left is they think it's progressive. At least fascists are up front about their goals, and they clearly state their hatred.
> Even the most SJW of SJW will say things like, "The Jews should have learned their lesson from Hitler" when talking about Palestine.
I'm going to need a citation on that.
Here's an SRS thread with several anti-Semitic comments. Note the bottom comment.
http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/1zwcol/heyisraelfuckyouisthisallyoulearned_from/
Edit: this comment from that thread
>Israelis still fail to recognise the huge horror they inflicted in 1948 by forcing a native population out of their homes by use of arms, and slaughtering thousands of them. If they recognise their wrong, they should allow the Palestinians to return to their homes, but they don't because they want don't want too many Arabs living in their state, hence racism<
Is ripe for a post on bad history. It completely forgets that the Jews offered a peaceful resolution to the Palestinians in 48, and the Palestinians rejected it and declared war with the backing of, I believe, 4 other sovereign nations. In effect, Palestine started the war. They just lost. That little fact is never mentioned. Don't get me wrong, Israel does some horrible things to Palestinians, but the black-and-white narrative of poor, defenseless Palestinians completely oppressed by Israel is false. It is, in my opinion, the single most complex geopolitical problem that has ever existed.
> several anti-Semitic comments
I'm actually not seeing any anti-semitism apart from the bottom comment & seeing most people criticising the "They should've learnt their lesson from Hitler" sentiment that you put forth.
"I'm not seeing any anti-semitism except for that anti-Semitic comment." - you The guy is essentially agreeing with the linked thread. He is, in effect, saying "Well the Jews did cut off the water, the OP is not wrong that they should've learned their lesson from Hitler."
Also, see my edit.
>> several anti-Semitic comments
> I'm actually not seeing any anti-semitism apart from the bottom comment
This is the context of what I posted. There is a single anti-semitic comment there & you said there were several.
Regarding your edit, I don't see where the anti-semitism is. Criticising Israel's foreign policy isn't anti-semitic, though, of course, there is a nicer way of phrasing it than talking about "Israelis" rather than, say, the state of Israel.
Here's a thread that really demonstrates the problem. Note all of the deleted, yet highly up voted, comments:
http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSDiscussion/comments/1px7a4/lindywestandtheerasureoftheholocaustand/
Thanks for the links. Well, I got what I set out for: evidence of someone making that comparison & evidence that you find anti-semitism is social justice cliques. I also realise in retrospect that I somewhat misread your original comment to think that it was positing that anti-semitism is universally accepted in those sorts of circles, but I realise that you're just saying that it's still a frequent, if not unanimously-held, belief.
It just seemed a bit unbelievable to me at first.
Ah, I see why you were defensive then. No, I certainly don't believe that social justice cliques are universally anti-Semitic. That would be ridiculous. I just think it is their biggest blind spot.
Why not address the fact that you're being misleading?
Ok, if you'd like to see more samples, just literally search the word "Jews" in SRSdiscussion. That is literally all you need to do to see what I am talking about.
> It completely forgets that the Jews offered a peaceful resolution to the Palestinians in 48
The Ashkenazim that came en masse to Palestine and decided that it was going to be their state regardless of what the Palestinians thought about it?
You mean those Jews?
> and the Palestinians rejected it and declared war
Well, the "declared war" part is pretty iffy at best (but then again, you belong to the "Jewish state has basis, Palestinians have none" group), but how could they possibly not reject it?
What, "we get all the best land or the land most likely to be viable, and get to bring as many people as we desire to live in Palestine and make room for them as is needed, but don't worry, we'll let you keep some of the land"?
How could anyone in their right mind accept that?
> 4 other sovereign nations
Came in for different reasons, and here is the one point that pro-Israel people sometimes end up having a leg to stand on.
Regardless, one of the major public factors for the involvement in the situation in Palestine was due to the "on-going state of unrest" and the "displacement of the Palestinian Arabs".
It wasn't a nefarious plot to "take up Hitler's goal and to exterminate the Jews".
> Palestine started the war. They just lost
Funny because you want to portray yourself as mr.nuance and profess to be against black-and-white narratives.
> It completely forgets that the Jews offered a peaceful resolution to the Palestinians in 48, and the Palestinians rejected it and declared war with the backing of, I believe, 4 other sovereign nations.
This peaceful resolution included the stealing of their lands; and there was no declaration of war.
Oh ok, you seem like you know what you're talking about. I guess those states didn't invade and start shooting first:
http://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/arab-israeli-war
Also, you do know Jews have been living in large numbers in "Palestine" since the 16th century, not to mention Palestine has never been a sovereign nation.
Shh, shh. Remember the Jews are all white (especially the Mizrahi) and from Europe and America, and they gleefully displaced Palestinians who are not used as scapegoats from an entire region of Arab nations that have also annexed land from them too and refuse to let them settle within their borders.
Israeli Ottoman Jew, I always forget I don't real.
> Remember the Jews are all white (especially the Mizrahi) and from Europe and America, and they gleefully displaced Palestinians
The vast majority of the leadership of the Zionist movement were (and largely still are) Ashkenazim, though.
The vast majority of the Jews who came to Palestine, whether or not the people living there agreed or wanted them to, were Ashkenazim.
I don't know how much of the displacement of the Palestinians was done "gleefully", but it was certainly pretty ridiculous for anyone to believe that the Palestinians would accept it and just melt away.
Or accept the creation of some Jewish state on as much land as could be filled up by Jewish immigrants to begin with.
> who are not used as scapegoats from an entire region of Arab nations that have also annexed land from them too and refuse to let them settle within their borders.
Dem nasty perfidious Arabs! Truly the cause of all the troubles!
I will say that Israel has done wonders in trying to get the Mizrahi to hate the Arabs and the concept of Arab-ness, considering that they're essentially Arab Jews.
This website is biased. Also, the war didn't start with that foreign invasion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%9348CivilWarinMandatory_Palestine
I don't think we know who shooted first.
Palestine had been Muslim-owned since its muslim conquest until 1918, except during the crusades and some time after them. During this whole time, it was Arab owned except when the Ottomans owned the land.
In 1922, Jews were 11% of the population.
In 1945, they only had the majority of the population in one district. In 1945, they owned the majority of the land in zero district.
In 1947, a UN resolution awards Arabs 43% of the land, 58.6% of the Arab population, <1% of the Jewish population ; it awards Jews 57% of the land, 41.4% of the Arab population, and >99% of the Jewish population.
> Is ripe for a post on bad history. It completely forgets that the Jews offered a peaceful resolution to the Palestinians in 48, and the Palestinians rejected it and declared war with the backing of, I believe, 4 other sovereign nations. In effect, Palestine started the war. They just lost. That little fact is never mentioned. Don't get me wrong, Israel does some horrible things to Palestinians, but the black-and-white narrative of poor, defenseless Palestinians completely oppressed by Israel is false. It is, in my opinion, the single most complex geopolitical problem that has ever existed.
You're saying why this post is wrong, not why it's antisemitic. It can be incorrect without being antisemitic