The dad shooting the teen boy he found in his daughter's bed finally makes it AdviceAnimals. Shit expectedly hits the fan. (np.reddit.com)
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122 comments submitted at 04:09:26 on Mar 15, 2014 by ValedictorianBaller
Of course AA made the entire incident about the woman and shifted not only the blame for the whole thing onto her, but took it a step further to circlejerk against gun control and the evil false rape accusers. I feel like scumbag steve could apply to that entire sub at this point.
Are you saying this wasn't her fault at all?
"Dad he's my boyfriend".
I'm saving that 1. She's a teenage girl who was caught by her had in the middle of sex with a strange boy, she's not going to be the most logical or rational of beings and 2. It was her father that had the gun and opted to use lethal force to resolve the situation.
She carries fault, but nowhere near what Redditors would like her to carry for the situation. It's very easy to play armchair investigator.
Her ''mistake'' got a fucking teenager killed. lel. darn reddit holding her partly responsible!
No the person who shot an unarmed teenager got somebody killed.
he shot an unarmed teenager who appeared to be raping his daughter. God forbid someone defend their family.
He had control of the situation at that point. There was no further risk to him or his daughter, even if she was being raped. He had no excusable reason to fire his weapon. I can understand why he would have fired, considering the situation, but that doesn't make it okay. I'd say he's guilty of voluntary manslaughter, if not murder.
You weren't there, why don't you save the assumptions and let the legal process do it's thing. You reddit legal experts always leave more to be desired.
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> One thing that's particularly fucked up about this situation is that from their perspectives they were probably both engaging in legal self-defence.
What's actually probable is that the boy wasn't doing anything, because he had a gun pointed at him
I guess that's up to the courts to decide, then. I see the justification if the guy started to lunge at him or something.
of course reddit is always full of rape apologists
What in the world are you going on about?
you are being a rape apologist
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> he shot an unarmed teenager
This is the bad part.
When you have someone hostage at gunpoint, and they are unarmed, you should not pull the trigger.
This is because murder is wrong, and at this point, it isn't self-defense, it is murder.
I am from Germany so excuse me if I am being culturally unsensitive here but from my pussyfied European point of view one could have the impression that usually you are not expecting your father to shot a boy in your room even after you told him bullshit. Did the girl make the decision to panically lie to her father aware he would shot the boy?
See, I was once caught smoking dope in my girlfriends room when I was 14 and the father completely freaked the fuck out. She was kind of a bitch, altough I don't blame her to much because her dad was kind of a tyrannt and did beat her up from time to time, and of course said, I forced her to smoke her and yada yada. What didn't happen was that I got shot. He called the police though and they took my stuff away and send me home. Never saw her again, but didn't get shot also.
Also; WHY THE FUCK WAS THERE A GUN IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Gun culture is huge in the United States. A lot of people own guns for home defence, under the impression that doing so lowers their chances of being the victim of a violent crime, though the opposite is true.
> though the opposite is true.
please link a source that says "owning guns makes you more likely to be a victim of violent crimes"
Can do:
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I see studies that show that irresponsibly owning/handling/storing guns increases your risk for a gun related accident or people committing crimes with that, which no shit it does because homes with guns will have all of the gun related incidents in that study while homes without guns won't, but if you are in your house and someone breaks in, having a gun>not having a gun every day of the week. I'm an NRA certified instructor in basic rifle shooting, basic shotgun shooting, and hunters safety and I'm an NFAA archery instructor. Guns are not bad and shouldn't be banned. They offer recreation as well as personal protection, but I have seen how you carry out internet arguments, and I have no interest in engaging someone as consistently obtuse as you are, so I won't continue this argument after this post, have a good night and calm your jimmies.
> I see studies that show that irresponsibly owning/handling/storing guns increases your risk for a gun related accident or people committing crimes with that
Then it sounds like you misread the studies, because the risk is higher regardless of storage and handling practices.
But hey, no need to debate with me if you don't want to. That's fine by me. You asked for facts and I gave them, anyone else reading this can figure it out for themselves.
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Wow. That escalated fast. Guess guns are next to godliness and thus all evidence to the contrary is to be discarded without reading it.
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You didn't read any of that what you asked him for. Pathetic.
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>please link a source that says "owning guns makes you more likely to be a victim of violent crimes"
>I see studies that show that irresponsibly owning... guns increases your risk for a gun related accident
You replaced 'violent crime' with 'gun-related accident', but he did exactly what you asked him to.
This is pretty terrible sourcing. Only one source cites increased risk for homicide and another one links right back to that same source from a news article. The other two appear to be discussing accidents/suicides.
Edit: and your best full source directly states it's only increases risk for homicide if the perpetrator had a gun too. I'm sorry but I'd rather die in a stand off than be raped, robbed, or shot while defenseless.
> Only one source cites increased risk for homicide and another one links right back to that same source from a news article.
The first link is an editorial that summarizes my argument better than I can. The other three are the sources for my argument.
> The other two appear to be discussing accidents/suicides.
Yes, firearm accidents and negligence (including negligent discharges, aka involuntary manslaughter in cases that result in death), as well as suicides are contributing factors to the fact that the chance of harm caused by gun ownership is higher than the chance of a need to use your gun in self-defence.
> I'm sorry but I'd rather die in a stand off than be raped, robbed, or shot while defenseless.
I'm very sorry to hear that you'd choose a high risk of death (by engaging in a gun fight with an intruder) over a lower risk of death. Pride (not wanting to be seen as weak and defenceless) often causes people to make bad choices.
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Cause getting caught smoking some weed will invoke the same reaction as a dad seeing what he thinks is his daughter getting raped.
Are you kidding me?
The man's reaction was perfectly reasonable given the information he had. No the daughter is not responsible for her dad's actions, she is responsible for lying though, and to say that she is completely blameless is an argument without merit.
Again, she is NOT responsible for her dad's actions, but at the same time her dad's reaction, "holy fuck someone is raping my daughter" is also a reasonable one.
>Cause getting caught smoking some weed will invoke the same reaction as a dad seeing what he thinks is his daughter getting raped.
>Are you kidding me?
Dude, I was stumbled into situation were people and even my 14 year old sister (brrr) having sex and never once did I have to ask if hte person was in the process of being rapped. You can tell if they're not intoxicated and stone cold sober. I mean I wasn't there, but I am pretty sure as a "dad" you shouldn't jump to conclusion when you caught your teenage daughter with anything regardless of what she tells you.
>The man's reaction was perfectly reasonable given the information he had.
Shooting an unarmed teenage boy is far from being reasoable in any situation but self defense for life and death.
But in any case, if there hadn't been a gun in the first place feeding on the rape paranoia, nothing would have ever happened.
So she, an underage girl, is as culpable as an adult? According to every law in every country in the world, no. There's not a courtroom in this Nation that would find her guilty of anything, because her faults are nowhere near criminally negligible like claimed. I knows this pisses in the MRA armchair lawyer fruitloops, but what doesn't these days?
Bad information given in duress by a minor =/= adult shooting a teenager in the head.
How do you know she didn't say this? Keep in mind that the boy is dead and her father may be about to be imprisoned. She may be lying now.