Former Inmates of reddit - how are rapists/pedophiles REALLY treated once in prison (self.AskReddit)

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You always hear that most are brutally bullied/beat in prison. Wondering if some of it is exaggerated, or under stated. Also how do other inmates feel about rapists and pedophiles regardless of action being taken or not. (Possibly NSFW) [SERIOUS!]

1137 comments submitted at 19:39:42 on Dec 4, 2013 by bluesboarder

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  • mantarey5500
  • 1079 Points
  • 20:38:49, 4 December

As a victim of sexual assault, I'd like to personally thank you and all other inmates like you.

The pedophile who molested me ten years ago is currently getting a free college education as part of his "recovery plan". He also receives free healthcare, a free gym membership, and a guaranteed three meals a day. As his victim, all I get is the knowledge that he might be suffering severe beatings and brutal rapes in the can for the next twenty years. I absolutely hope that his fellow inmates are making him pay for every single bit of torture he put me through, for my parent's divorce, for my suicide attempt, and for the three year trial that tore my family in two.

So, thank you.

EDIT: To everyone who is commenting about how the justice system isn't based on revenge, and to those who are implying that my feelings are somehow morally wrong: I respect your opinions. I don't feel the need to justify mine to you.

EDIT 2: To other victims out there who have now started commenting, I wish you the best. I respect the fact that you are "bigger" than me and don't wish this on anyone. That's a pretty admirable way to be. However, I would like for you and everyone else who reads this to keep in mind that you don't know me. I am a stranger on the internet and you don't know who I am. Thank you for your concern, I appreciate it. That being said, I hope you don't mind that I'm not going to take your assertions about my character seriously. My personal life is my personal life, and you, being another stranger on the internet, are not the best person to judge it. All the best.

FINAL EDIT: I thought I would put this on here because there are some seriously concerned people out there. Your concern is very much appreciated. I would like for you to know that I absolutely have sought help, and that I am a well-adjusted, genuinely happy human being. This is my opinion, as well as the opinion of my therapist and my psychiatrist. Again, thank you for your concern, I wanted to let all of you know that I am doing just fine, and that it's possible for perfectly sane people to have these opinions.

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  • AnarkeIncarnate
  • 145 Points
  • 20:54:34, 4 December

I'm not a doctor, a therapist, or in many ways, even the nicest person, but I can offer you a bit of advice.

Forgive him or not, but do not let it own you. Do not become the person who was assaulted, but the product of that instead. If it doesn't make sense, one day I hope it will.

You will not gain any clarity or release from your suffering through his. Let him rot in agony or live in luxury, but to fix you, fix you.

You may or may not be a good person, but you hold the wheel. Be who you want to be as best you can. When you falter, right yourself.

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  • tryify
  • 1 Points
  • 21:46:04, 4 December

Yes, if your happiness depends on the unhappiness of another, you have no control over your own feelings regarding the situation.

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  • Patrik333
  • 1 Points
  • 22:07:30, 4 December

A thousand times this :D

Although, completely hypocritical here because if someone wronged me, I'd wanna get back at them somehow... but not to the point of ruining the rest of their lives.

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  • reditor12334
  • 1 Points
  • 21:43:17, 4 December

Do not forgive because they deserve it, forgive them to show you have moved on with your life.

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  • BRBaraka
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  • 21:43:03, 4 December

it's easy to say that

it's hard to do

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  • ONE_GUY_ONE_JAR
  • 63 Points
  • 21:05:12, 4 December

It's funny how I always see Reddit threads about how great it is that other country's penal systems focus on rehabilitation, but are all for some offenders getting beaten by other prisoners and hate it when they take advantage of programs designed aid rehabilitation.

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  • mantarey5500
  • 11 Points
  • 21:07:39, 4 December

Just look at some of the replies I'm receiving, and you'll figure out exactly how popular my opinion is. I wouldn't say that your assertion is entirely accurate based on that.

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  • ONE_GUY_ONE_JAR
  • 1 Points
  • 21:16:53, 4 December

You're also being upvoted like mad and gilded in just 30 minutes. And other posts in this thread celebrating prison violence are also being received well. It's pretty clear the a lot of people here, maybe most, have no reservations about inmate violence if they think the victim deserves it.

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  • c_programmer
  • 1 Points
  • 21:59:45, 4 December

The need for revenge is a very basic human emotion. We like to think we are so far past the barbaric days of the past but in reality we are the exact same people coming out of a more tame environment. I 100% include myself in this. Sexual offenses are one of the few things it is still "OK" to want a lynching for.

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  • bbibber
  • 1 Points
  • 22:11:42, 4 December

Reddit is not just one person.

Fun fact. My pro-gun-control or anti-death-penalty remarks get a lot more upvotes when Europe is awake and a lot less a few hours when it is America's turn.

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  • bluesboarder
  • 24 Points
  • 20:52:53, 4 December

Damn this is heavy stuff. Sorry to hear. I can only imagine the rage/mental emotion. Granite condoning Rape to someone who is a felon for revenge does sound a little outlandish but so does molesting people and being able to have all those amenities

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  • 8gxe
  • 1 Points
  • 21:33:08, 4 December

> Granite

Granite, I know what you're saying.

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  • bluesboarder
  • 1 Points
  • 21:42:14, 4 December

much appreciation for not ripping me to shreds lol

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  • SheriffQuincy
  • 1 Points
  • 21:56:39, 4 December

I Marbled at it for awhile. Then I was just in awe.

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  • Throne3d
  • 1 Points
  • 21:57:29, 4 December

Rip, rip, tear, shred... Place shards of almost-used-to-be-maybe-/u/bluesboarder on granite...

You meant granted, right? Just checking I didn't misunderstand.

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  • hezec
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  • 21:53:56, 4 December

> so does molesting people and being able to have all those amenities

It sounds outlandish because regular people don't have all those amenities there. Living in a Nordic country, I do have free college education and healthcare, and for as long as I'm a student, also (comparably) dirt-cheap healthy meals and gym access. The only benefit left for prisoners is "free rent", and obviously there's a reason for that... I guess America would need the same kind of universal access to make prisoner rehabilitation feel more "normal", and that's probably not going to happen. I'm not even considering the issue of commercial prisons.

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  • SummerBorn
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  • 22:01:33, 4 December

I don't want to come off as an asshole, and this may not be the time, but in that context, the correct word to use is granted, not granite.

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  • WhoIsThisAssHoleHere
  • 1 Points
  • 21:28:26, 4 December

>I don't feel the need to justify mine to you.

As someone who has family members affected by the same trauma as you, fuck everyone else who judges you without having any idea of what you went through.

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  • steak820
  • 1 Points
  • 22:10:07, 4 December

That ok, fuck you too and your pro-rape ideals.

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  • midwestfreak
  • 1 Points
  • 22:09:29, 4 December

Happened to a close friend of mine. We were almost something more than friends at that point, but that's beside the point. I watched it devastate her. Saw the aftermath of the suicide attempts. Too many 3 and 4 am phone calls where I could barely make out a word. She's moved on over the years, but to this day, I'd kill the fucker myself if I knew I could get away with it.

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  • Patrik333
  • 1 Points
  • 22:10:36, 4 December

But... what about the perpetrator?

The way I see it, there are two people in this situation. Both people have had the intention to rape or molest another human being. Apart from these two facts, we have no more information.

Just... don't make judgements at all, I think.

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  • kickingturkies
  • 1 Points
  • 22:10:53, 4 December

I don't think they're necessarily judging, but instead pointing out the moral depravity in it.

If you see that as judging though, then it's hardly as simple as saying "fuck you, you haven't gone through the same things as us" - that isn't going to make them less inclined to have the opinion they have and more inclined to just see you as an asshole for not being civil. Also, there are clear reasons why focusing on revenge in a penal system isn't a good idea. You can't just say it's all wrong since you've went through it (hell, many people who have went through it think the opposite from you).

But if you aren't seeking to change any opinions and just feel like saying it to the OP to validate them, that's no issue. You're doing great.

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  • cloakingdevice
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  • 21:33:31, 4 December

I don't know what prison he's in, but if it even comes close to where I was incarcerated, "free healthcare" = here's a tylenol go away and "free gym membership" = go walk laps.

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  • Asdayasman
  • 1 Points
  • 21:44:51, 4 December

> He also receives free healthcare

Wow it's like basic human rights happened at some point.

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  • heebsydoesit
  • 1 Points
  • 21:19:35, 4 December

So an eye for an eye?

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  • Quite_Ridiculous
  • 265 Points
  • 20:42:34, 4 December

> As his victim, all I get is the knowledge that he might be suffering sever beatings and brutal rapes in the can for the next twenty years. I absolutely hope that his fellow inmates are making him pay for every single bit of torture he put me through.

I'd like to know why would you condone rape at all? What good would come of it?

Edit: Apparently this is a hot issue. So I'll put a little more into my view:

Revenge would only give the victim the possibility of positive satisfaction and affirmation. Sure, that seems good emotionally from the victim's standpoint, but is it actually doing anything to improve society? It only hurts the victim and raises the possibility of more violence, and it requires an aggressor to actually commit the act itself, whatever it may be in rape, murder, etc.

Even for the argument of stopping someone from committing the crime(s) again, the government can't administer executions and the death penalty for every rapist, child molester, etc., lest we start to trample on human rights. A rapist has no room to be rehabilitated and deserves death, but another crime committed can? We already execute a high amount of prisoners, and most progressive countries and people think the death penalty doesn't work and isn't humane. Why radically expand it?

And in turn, require that someone take the plunge to kill another person each time it's sentenced.

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  • kolega
  • 1 Points
  • 21:28:38, 4 December

Ladies and gentlemen, that's why you don't let victims sentence criminals.

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  • mantarey5500
  • 1 Points
  • 21:34:02, 4 December

I agree with you 100%

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  • HOPSCROTCH
  • 1 Points
  • 22:09:59, 4 December

Thanks Kanye

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  • mantarey5500
  • 83 Points
  • 20:44:06, 4 December

The person who molested me was pretty much sub-human. He felt absolutely no empathy, remorse, or guilt for what he did. So maybe a brutal rape will teach him to feel what I felt.

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  • quipps
  • 150 Points
  • 20:48:20, 4 December

Do you really want to live in a society where the government can hand out rape as a punishment? Considering that somebody could due receive such a punishment even if they're innocent much like people who receive life or even death sentences wrongly.

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  • TrebeksUpperLIp
  • 18 Points
  • 20:57:11, 4 December

Also, the people that do these rapings aren't going to be that discriminatory. What happens when they come across someone in the shower they want to fuck that isn't a pedo. Or when they get released and they've been getting away with raping people on the inside?

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  • quipps
  • 22 Points
  • 21:03:10, 4 December

Indeed I believe acts of rape and beatings like this are far, far more for the pleasure of the rapist than any sense of justice. I fail to see how encouraging rape can prevent rape as you say, it just creates rapists.

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  • Iwasraisedonthedairy
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  • 21:19:10, 4 December

OP just wants him to feel the way s/he felt. The physical and emotional pain. Not to teach him not to be a rapist.

Also, s/he was not stating that the justice system should punish sex offenders with rape, but that maybe other inmates could just give him a little taste of his own medicine. And I don't blame OP for feeling that way.

Obviously OP is still very hurt by the events, and anger is always a result of pain.

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  • floydw6
  • 1 Points
  • 22:06:54, 4 December

as someone that has been raped. i wouldnt wish rape on my worst enemy. Being that this person has been thru it as well im confused as to why they think its ok to do that to someone else?

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  • cuntxo
  • 1 Points
  • 21:16:33, 4 December

'I hereby sentence you to 4 years in a maximum security prison and 22 rapes by massive black cock'.

Rape isn't a part of induced punishment. There COULD be more preventative measures but this isn't for the pure reason that it's not reported because it's 'emasculating'.

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  • Miztahfrawg
  • 40 Points
  • 20:56:05, 4 December

To be fair, the government isn't the "Rape Dealer" in the described situation. The other jailbirds are.

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  • quipps
  • 15 Points
  • 21:04:05, 4 December

If you believe in an 'eye for an eye' justice the logical extension is that you want the government to become the 'rape dealer.'

Equally it seems to be some unwritten thing that rape is just an added punishment some people will have to face in prison which to me can never seem right.

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  • kunk180
  • 25 Points
  • 21:13:10, 4 December

I know this is a very serious converstIon, but this term "rape dealer" is making me laugh way too hard as a imagine a Vegas style gambling table and some dude looks at his card and just curses to himself.

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  • Miztahfrawg
  • 11 Points
  • 21:08:16, 4 December

Rape doesn't exist in prison because someone says it's right, it simply exists because prisons tend to be full of rapists. Calling prison rape "Punishment" sounds like an excuse used by a prison rapist. I'm not saying that makes it acceptable by any means, rather that it ought to be recognized as a problem and should still be handeld just as strictly as rape outside a prison.

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  • quipps
  • 17 Points
  • 21:13:59, 4 December

>Rape doesn't exist in prison because someone says it's righ

But people in this thread and in society believe it's right. Not only are constant jokes made about prison rape but people do seriously believe that a lot of people raped in prison utterly deserve it for their crimes.

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  • mantarey5500
  • 100 Points
  • 20:53:34, 4 December

Look, I'm not going to argue morals with you here. You'd have to have been a victim going through a trial to understand why I feel the way I feel. What I feel may not be justifiable, but honestly, I don't give a damn. My personal views on punishment and justice completely changed as a result of what I went through. And honestly, I don't feel the need to justify my feelings about perpetrators to you.

That being said, I respect your opinion, I only ask that you also respect my right to have an opinion of my own.

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  • schrodingers_human
  • 1 Points
  • 21:35:58, 4 December

I was a child victim and a witness at trial. I get why you feel that way, and I respect your right to feel however you want. I think you've already realized it's not your fault, and there's no shame in being the victim.

Here's my understanding: My abuser was abused as a child. He abused on reflex as an adult, believing it wasn't even really a choice. He was wrong about that.

He was probably left feeling angry and out of control. Being the abuser gave him the sense of power and control for a short while by reversing the roles. It looked like he was heartless. Maybe. But he was definitely damaged, and damaged people are miserable.

It doesn't make what he did ok.

But nobody ever learned to empathize by being raped. So if your anger is enough that you wish they would lead you to the cell, put a hot poker in your hand, and leave you two alone for 20 min... Just say so. I can understand. But also know the torture, or beatings, or rape... will leave him more angry and out of control and not any more human. Even, ironically, MORE likely to do it again, not less.

But that's not the damaged person you need to be most concerned about. I said damaged people are miserable, and it may take decades to discover how deep your wound is. You can't change what happened, and you can't change who your molester is. The only way you can win is to heal the best you can, and protect others from the same happening to them.

I'm sorry your molester can't feel what you feel. He can't KNOW the hurt and the anger he caused. I wish there was a way he could stare into the well of your soul and see what he caused. I'm sad there isn't. The totally unfair reality is that your hurt and anger are your burden and even when you nurture them, it still doesn't hurt him at all.

I'm really sorry for what happened to you. And thank you for your courage at trial. Thank you for helping protect others in a way we all failed to protect you.

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  • Throwingitaway283
  • 55 Points
  • 21:12:19, 4 December

Throwaway because I have relatives who use the site and I haven't told. I was a victim on sexual assault last year.

My rapist is barely serving any time and he pretty much got off scot-free on mental illness. I wouldn't wish what happened to me on anyone even him. I felt powerless, abused and scarred. I wouldn't gain any sick satisfaction if it happened to him because it doesn't change the fact it happened to me and I still feel it to this day.

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  • TheIronShaft
  • 1 Points
  • 22:07:47, 4 December

That's because you're a rational person who deserves to live in modern society. Wishing rape on someone when you know exactly how it feels, as /u/mantarey5500 has done, is what makes someone subhuman.

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  • SparkedFart
  • 1 Points
  • 21:38:41, 4 December

Feelings never need to be justified as they're uncontrollable. Your thoughts/actions are controllable however, and you should justify them to yourself (for your own sake/lasting happiness). It's the difference between acting/thinking emotionally (instant satisfactions with later regrets) and acting/thinking logically with emotions considered to be another argument/something to weigh (lasting satisfactions/happiness).

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  • f0rcedinducti0n
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  • 21:52:30, 4 December

Obviously the system failed you too. I'm not going to judge your opinion or try to claim I understand how you feel, but what you're asking for isn't justice, it is revenge. You simply cannot have both.

Holding onto hatred is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die.

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  • KingJako
  • 1 Points
  • 21:58:30, 4 December

We respect your opinion, but we are only concerned for your well-being. Harbouring these opinions will only ensure that your mental stability remain a wreck. Yes, I am saying that you have a mental health problem; the nice part is that it can be fixed with an open mind and some professional guidance.

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  • Cliqey
  • 21 Points
  • 21:09:04, 4 December

Yeah, no, I'm sorry, not gonna let this one slide. I am a "victim" also, but first of all, I don't let that define me.

It is definitely your right to think and feel however you want, but when you start encouraging harmful actions that could affect another person, you are crossing a line. There is a difference between saying "I feel warm" and "There's a fire!" when you are in a crowd.

Fine, be a vindictive, vengeful person, but do the world a favor and do so in your own head. Don't go feeding the flames and making the world even more violent and hateful than it already is.

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  • HillaB
  • 1 Points
  • 21:33:53, 4 December

> encouraging harmful actions

Maybe I missed it but... where was she encouraging anything here? She has hope that the person who hurt her gets hurt in the same way. I don't think she's out paying someone to do it, or broadcasting her attacker's name and cell block number. She hopes he gets a punishment that is equal to what he put her through. And she is just as much allowed to state these hopes as you are to state that you disagree with them.

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  • Backstyck
  • 1 Points
  • 21:58:42, 4 December

Her original comment was thanking the inmates, not for beating her rapist, but for the tendency for inmates to beat charged rapists. There will inevitably be innocent people convicted of rape. This tendency will not be kind to them, if it is perpetuated. That seems to be the problem that most have with her comment and of the opinion that rape should be be used as punishment, as well.

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  • Deepakpar
  • 1 Points
  • 21:47:19, 4 December

You can always stop reading. He/ she has every right to express her emotion here. This is a thread about sexual assault.

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  • HillaB
  • 1 Points
  • 21:53:44, 4 December

> He/ she has every right to express her emotion here

I just... that's exactly what I was saying... Everyone has the right to express their emotions here.

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  • Eskelsar
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  • 21:39:55, 4 December

>not gonna let this one slide

Okay? It's not about you. You don't need to let it slide. He/she said they wouldn't attempt to justify themselves to you, so that's that.

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  • Ergheis
  • 1 Points
  • 21:50:40, 4 December

He's an important man. He's not gonna let it slide. She's probably shaking in her boots knowing he won't let it slide.

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  • ShadoWolf
  • 1 Points
  • 22:06:25, 4 December

I think the intent of the statement was to say they won't let statement go unchallenged due to their status of being a victim.

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  • emordnilapaton
  • 1 Points
  • 21:50:44, 4 December

why are you trying to keep everyone from posting replies? It's their right as much as it is op's right to express her opinion...

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  • cuntxo
  • 1 Points
  • 21:19:27, 4 December

She was raped. She can hate if she wants to. She can also wish that the sub-human who attacked her is raped.

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  • dezmd
  • 1 Points
  • 21:28:57, 4 December

You missed the point, advocating it out loud to others in a public forum is a lot different than wishing it in a personal or internal setting.

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  • Hodgkins
  • 1 Points
  • 21:36:35, 4 December

Is it so wrong that he/she wishes/advocates that the person who wronged them could feel what it was like to be wronged?

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  • mcbaginns
  • 1 Points
  • 21:55:30, 4 December

Yes, I think so. There isn't much of a difference morally from wanting someone to be raped and actually carying it out, whther yourself or through someone else. If rape is so bad (I know it is) that it's worth going to jail for years or even decades, how is it alright for you to want them to be raped?

You just sent another human being to jail for years and now you want to the VERY FUCKING SAME THING to happen to him? And it's completely alright because he did it first? Get real, it's fucking hateful vengeancce that's flowing through your heart and controlling you. Plain and simple. I don't give a shit if the OP with gold a few posts up says "oh well you don't know me" or "I respect your opinion, so respect mine" or "I don't need to explain myself to strangers". That's a fucking bullshit cop out.

TL;DR: Hypocrite OP calls her rapist "sub-human" for raping someone then wants the very same act to be commited again making her just as sub-human. But it's ok becuase he did it first.

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  • quantumquixote
  • 1 Points
  • 21:38:09, 4 December

You're right. I don't know why anyone would say something like that anonymously on the internet if there were the slightest chance that someone were to find it offensive.

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  • Nickitydd
  • 1 Points
  • 21:44:29, 4 December

Actually, the world is a hell of a lot less violent than it ever has been.

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  • Selmer_Sax
  • 1 Points
  • 21:45:36, 4 December

Just because you're a victim doesn't mean we should not present our opposing views. Being a victim is not a trump card.

The victim is on the opposite side of a spectrum from the perpetrator. The criminal justice system is supposed to be a halfway house, not swayed to either side of that spectrum of opinions.

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  • emordnilapaton
  • 1 Points
  • 21:26:51, 4 December

If you don't want to justify your opinions. Don't advocate them in a public forum.

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  • Eskelsar
  • 1 Points
  • 21:42:51, 4 December

If you don't want to justify your opinions, that's your right, regardless of whether or not everyone is blowing up at you because you posted them in a public forum.

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  • emordnilapaton
  • 1 Points
  • 21:54:37, 4 December

Redditors don't have the right to ask her certain questions simply because she said that she didn't want to justify her opinion?

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  • quipps
  • -2 Points
  • 21:01:37, 4 December

Well that's why I'm trying not to talk about your own personal case and the natural revenge you want which I can fully understand and have no qualms with and no desire to tell you you're wrong about.

Rather do you want to live in a society where if you were wrongly convicted of a crime you or somebody else who is innocent could be raped as punishment because that's seen as justice? Do you somehow think encouraging rape is actually going to prevent victims of rape or will it create a culture that validates rape even further?

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  • Akira_kj
  • 1 Points
  • 21:26:40, 4 December

Forgivness isn't about forgiving the perp, its about living without hate and anger. Sounds to me like Mantarey5500 is harbouring resentment and anger that no punishment or prison rapes will ever fill. Some people find solus in helping other victims, counseling, or distance/time. I'm no expert but have some first hand knowlage so I respectfully limit my responce to generalizations and personal opinion. Hate and anger need to be let go of before a person can live a life independent of the victimization put on them by a preditor. Its not their fault but is very important that they do not allow a person to control their emotions and decisons after the harm has been done. Not easy to do but much more important than wishing harm on other people. This is considered transference and should be avoided as part of a healthy recovery. It feels empowering but is a false sence of security, people eventually get out of prison and are no longer punished; unlike victims who are unable to let go of being a victim. Without forgiveness and personal tools for dealing with victimization, many people have breakdowns 10-20 years later when their perp is released.

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  • quipps
  • 1 Points
  • 21:27:33, 4 December

I agree and hope he comes to terms with his personal daemons and gets some help.

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  • therealflinchy
  • 1 Points
  • 21:55:35, 4 December

Sure, why not?

we live in a society where people can be jailed for life, euthanized, and can otherwise be denied basic rights on a day to day basis.

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  • YourBabyDaddy
  • 6 Points
  • 20:49:42, 4 December

But it probably won't.

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  • f0rcedinducti0n
  • 1 Points
  • 21:50:49, 4 December

I think you just explained why it won't make any difference to him.

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  • zap2
  • 42 Points
  • 20:49:49, 4 December

That's revenge. Our prison system shouldn't be based on revenge.

I'm very sorry for what happened to you. But revenge isn't acceptable.

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  • cassycas
  • 32 Points
  • 21:08:30, 4 December

Revenge may not be acceptable, but you'd be a liar if you said that it doesn't feel damn good.

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  • jfsdaonfasodf
  • 44 Points
  • 20:55:14, 4 December

You'd be singing a different song if it were you.

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  • OsmoZ
  • 105 Points
  • 20:57:44, 4 December

Maybe he would. It wouldn't make the process righter though.

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  • Samonuh
  • 1 Points
  • 21:40:02, 4 December

That's exactly why his point is important. People lose proper judgment in fits of rage, hence our legal system being void of vengeance-inspired punishment.

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  • Selmer_Sax
  • 1 Points
  • 21:41:32, 4 December

But the ideal justice system is impartial and not subject to those feelings. It would give the exact same result for identical cases. If you are suggesting that we take the victim's revenge as correct then what is the point of a criminal justice system?

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  • ewat85
  • 1 Points
  • 21:52:54, 4 December

This is exactly why I don't think victims statements at trials are appropriate. Our justice system is State of ______ vs Accused, or People vs. Accused; it is not Victim A vs Accused.

There are numerous theories of punishment but the reality of the situation is that we have created a system that seeks to remove revenge from the equation. Yet, at the moment immediately prior to determining a sentence we allow revenge to be placed front and center in front of the jury.

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  • usingpond
  • 1 Points
  • 21:55:39, 4 December

So what? The justice system is based on objectivity, not personal emotions. Also, you don't even know that.

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  • zap2
  • 11 Points
  • 20:56:55, 4 December

Please don't tell me what I'd feel if I was in this situation.

I know where I stand on this issue.

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  • dremic
  • 22 Points
  • 21:07:16, 4 December

i think its pretty easy to say where youd stand without actually going through the adversity of what this person went through.

edit: some of you dislike my post. I see where some of you are coming from. Let me clarify because some of you may be confused by what I mean.

It is super easy to say you would do or feel or think a certain way when you are discussing an experience that is foreign to you.

When you look at a situation from the outside and say "oh well I know where I'd stand and it wouldn't be where you're standing"

thats not a fair thing to say, because you HAVENT stood there. you dont have the experience.

Im not saying his way of thinking is right or wrong. Im just saying that those experiences will change ANYBODY and its impossible for you to say youd feel one way without actually having those experiences.

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  • BSL-4
  • 1 Points
  • 21:25:12, 4 December

It is easy because your decision isn't based on irrational emotions. I don't see how that is a bad thing. You might punch someone in the face for insulting you in the heat of the moment, but in a more level-headed state you would see that as unreasonable. I'm sorry to the OP, but we don't let the victims set the terms for the punishment for exactly this reason.

The whole "you wouldn't understand unless you've been through it yourself" mentality is really counter-productive to a rational debate. When your main point is that the other person's argument isn't irrational enough, you're not in much of a position to argue.

2¢

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  • x755x
  • 1 Points
  • 21:53:33, 4 December

I don't think you need to experience rape to have a stance on how criminals should be treated. In fact, I think it would be detrimental. You can't make a decision logically when you're so emotionally invested in the situation, as a rape victim would be.

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  • TJ5897
  • 1 Points
  • 21:19:14, 4 December

If he got raped he would not be thinking critically. He may want vengeance, but that doesn't make it any more okay.

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  • unender
  • 1 Points
  • 21:27:22, 4 December

Take note I'm not the person you directed that towards, that being said... Let's not make those types of assumptions.

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  • tryify
  • 1 Points
  • 21:45:29, 4 December

No, I wouldn't, and don't. Vengeance heals no one.

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  • wingnut0000
  • 10 Points
  • 21:06:48, 4 December

This ain't Batman dude.

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  • c0horst
  • 0 Points
  • 20:52:53, 4 December

Your right. Revenge isn't acceptable. its about making sure it doesnt happens again. So he should be put down like a rabid dog.

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  • OneHandsomeSheep
  • 1 Points
  • 21:17:54, 4 December

Getting real stupid up in here.

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  • Samonuh
  • 1 Points
  • 21:41:27, 4 December

It's typical reddit. Just keep in mind that you're surrounded by a bunch of blood-thirsty, subtly racist, middle-class white boys who were bullied in middle school. Whenever I start getting angry at a ridiculous post here, I remind myself of this.

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  • jmalbo35
  • 1 Points
  • 22:02:57, 4 December

Yeah, ad hominem against anyone with different opinions than you is a great habit to be in, it really makes you open minded. I'm not white (not seeing how that's relevant here in any way though, considering this isn't a race/privilege related issue), nor racist, and wasn't bullied, but I don't see why someone who commits violent rape deserves the right to live.

Assuming there's concrete evidence to convict someone (clear video footage, caught in the act, etc.), why should they be allowed to live? They've infringed deeply on someone else's rights and have clearly demonstrated an inability to live by rules of society and respect human rights at that point, so why should taxpayers fund the rest of their lives being lived out without having to contribute anything back to society?

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  • Marsdreamer
  • 1 Points
  • 21:36:45, 4 December

The justice system is about rehabilitation and reintegration into normal society. Every other modern country gets this, Americans are still behind, however.

And while I sympathize with the OP here this is exactly why we have laws. If people just went around enacting the justice they deem fit for a wrong, we'd have literal anarchy.

Stricter punishments do not protect the people and they do not deter crime. Here we have one of the strictest and ruthless justice systems in the world and yet we also have the highest crime rate of any industrialized nation.

As odd as it may seem, many criminals themselves are in fact victims as well.

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  • zap2
  • 14 Points
  • 20:55:22, 4 December

Jail for life serves the same purpose.

And you're assuming he/she can't be rehabilitated. I think that's a faulty assumption.

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  • ArtAsylumBoy
  • 1 Points
  • 21:19:17, 4 December

Animals like that need to be put down. These idiots want to talk about redemption? Fine, I've heard about this great therapy for rapists and molesters. You put a bullet through their head and it alters their brain in such a way that they never hurt anyone again. 100% success rate.

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  • longboardingerrday
  • 1 Points
  • 21:49:46, 4 December

That's fucked up. You can't agree with one rape just because you determined him to be "sub-human". What if someone else determines someone to be "sub-human" is it okay if they're raped too?

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  • deaaad
  • 1 Points
  • 21:52:18, 4 December

his punishment is the prison sentence. possible rape is not meant to be part of the system. i can see why you would be happy about it, but im sure you can understand why advocating vigilante justice via other criminals is a bad idea.

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  • GEAUXUL
  • 1 Points
  • 21:21:30, 4 December

That's nice but do you realize you sound just as sub-human as he does? That's why you're getting so much push back for your comments.

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  • mantarey5500
  • 1 Points
  • 21:24:15, 4 December

I'm perfectly fine with getting "push-back". Reddit is a great forum for debate, and I'm glad people are getting passionate about this comment. There are some interesting discussions going on here. I'm choosing not to participate because I've said my piece, not because I'm afraid of "push-back".

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  • rpsayshi
  • 38 Points
  • 20:48:02, 4 December

Yeah, if being raped was that bad (which I am sure it was) why would you wish that upon others?

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  • Levodextro
  • 1 Points
  • 21:18:57, 4 December

When people do bad things to you it's perfectly normal to want bad things to happen to them. Thankfully we live in a society where you can't just go murder the guy who killed your wife, but it's hardly psychotic to want to.

Some abuse victim wants their rapist to suffer. This is hardly headline shit, what's everyone so worked up about?

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  • BaconBeard
  • 1 Points
  • 21:43:28, 4 December

This! I mean, revenge is a pretty normal thing for some people to want, and if you place yourself in the victims shoes, I don't see how it's so hard to understand why he thinks this way.

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  • mmelvis
  • 1 Points
  • 21:30:34, 4 December

Because the person they are condemning are no longer an innocent. They chose their action, and should have to deal with the consequences.

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  • pascontent
  • 65 Points
  • 21:01:55, 4 December

It's not like it was wished to a friend. It is that bad, and someone who inflicts it only deserves something at least that bad.

At least, that's how I'm interpreting OP here.

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  • J_Chargelot
  • 113 Points
  • 21:08:49, 4 December

Well you know what they say. A rape for a rape leaves the whole world bleeding from the anus.

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  • DJgoat
  • 1 Points
  • 21:21:24, 4 December

-Gandhi

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  • Riffy
  • 1 Points
  • 21:22:20, 4 December

No it doesn't, because you use a Robot to commit the rape on the criminal. I've had this idea for a while, the only part where it falls apart is if you don't have 100% proof they committed a crime. Although if you did have irrefutable evidence; then just program a robot to commit the act that they did unto someone, to them.

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  • J_Chargelot
  • 1 Points
  • 21:26:44, 4 December

Following this poor excuse for logic, the programmer deserves to be raped next, don't they? Or the person who approved this? Or the person strapping you in? Or the person activating the device? Personal responsibility doesn't disappear because you clicked a button instead of unzipping your pants. It actually just spreads it around faster.

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  • JK0807
  • 1 Points
  • 21:17:00, 4 December

You say it as if he/she is wishing it upon a bunch of innocent people. He/she is talking about a sexual offender not just some random citizen.

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  • jutct
  • 1 Points
  • 21:48:56, 4 December

Rape for the rapist. Eye for an eye.

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  • f0rcedinducti0n
  • 1 Points
  • 21:50:33, 4 December

Yeah, people have such a twisted idea of what justice should be, of how prisoners should be treated, etc... It's no justice at all...

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  • Da_Lulz
  • 1 Points
  • 21:51:44, 4 December

That the person who raped him will feel the same pain that mantary5500 has to deal with the rest of his life.

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  • forcefulentry
  • 1 Points
  • 21:56:08, 4 December

Stop

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  • CarterBransom
  • 1 Points
  • 21:56:31, 4 December

Eye for an eye makes the world go blind

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  • skywalker777
  • 1 Points
  • 22:03:05, 4 December

because some men aren't looking for anything logical. they can't be reassured, reasoned with or comforted. some men, just want to see their rapist be raped.

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  • Dekanuva
  • 1 Points
  • 22:03:24, 4 December

There have also been cases where people have been falsely accused. That's almost certainly not the case above, but it happens. Having your life ruined by a liar is bad enough.

Rape is a strong word. It makes people stop thinking and start hating. People will probably even hate what I'm saying here. I just want people to take a moment to really think about it though. Some people didn't do it. So just hearing a rumor, or even reading it on a paper, may not be a good enough reason to hurt someone like that.

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  • floydw6
  • 1 Points
  • 22:05:57, 4 December

right? are we going to start this eye for an eye bull crap again? has no one listened to ghandi?

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  • mrgrizzlor
  • 1 Points
  • 22:11:33, 4 December

I'd like to know how you've lived all your years on this planet without developing an ability to understand the concepts of justice and revenge.

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  • drock_davis
  • 1 Points
  • 21:42:56, 4 December

It sucks he did that to you. But in my experience a person with that kind of/level of hate in your heart ends up consuming him/her too. And really that's what's damaging. I hope you have people to talk to support you in this/life.

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  • Mister_Kurtz
  • 1 Points
  • 21:17:16, 4 December

Are you saying justice is best handled by criminals?

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  • 1920x1080P
  • 20 Points
  • 21:13:47, 4 December

Fuck these people, you seem to have a pretty good grasp on things and a healthy attitude.
It's completely normal to want him to suffer, the idea that somehow it's immoral to wish it on him is utterly insane.

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  • BananaramaPeel
  • 1 Points
  • 22:10:44, 4 December

> It's completely normal to want him to suffer, the idea that somehow it's immoral to wish it on him is utterly insane.

Normal does not equal moral.

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  • AltHypo
  • 1 Points
  • 21:38:39, 4 December

I'm really big on prisoner's rights and ending capital punishment because I believe the purpose of incarceration is rehabilitation and not punishment or revenge. Often when I discuss these things people say to me "what if it was YOUR daughter that was killed/raped/whatever?" My answer is always that I would not be a suitable juror for that trial because of my obvious bias. In much the same way I accept and understand your position here, but I feel that other's reading it will feel that it justifies their anger even though they aren't involved in your case. That type of abstract vengeance mindset is what keeps our prison system being one of the most wasteful and least effective (based on recidivism rates) in the world.

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  • glasscut
  • 1 Points
  • 21:46:28, 4 December

I felt weird reading this, but your edits are really quite lucid and clear about where you're coming from. Kudos and the best to you on your recovery.

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  • BetterThenAllOfYou
  • 1 Points
  • 21:52:01, 4 December

I'm really sorry about what happened to you, the person that molested you deserves being beaten every day, but I don't think it's a good thing that you want him to suffer. Of course you have every right to feel that way (I would probably feel the same way if I was in your position), but hate consumes you, and if you need to know that he is suffering to feel better about your own life it will only make you feel worse. I'm not saying that you should forgive him, but I hope that you can let it go one day, not for him, but for yourself.

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  • Versaeus
  • 1 Points
  • 21:56:31, 4 December

This doesn't ring true - I assume you're in the US because you used 'college', but this information wouldn't be accessible to you.

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  • mantarey5500
  • 1 Points
  • 22:03:35, 4 December

It is accessible to me, because he recently made an appeal to the court, the trial for which I attended. He told the court that he was using his free college education to better himself.

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  • GOthee
  • 1 Points
  • 21:57:14, 4 December

AT least you respect good people but remember that wishing negattive thoughts to anyone no matter how bad they are is just wrong. YOu can say " I respect your opinions¨ But they are not oppinion thats how we should be, and promoting a revngful behaviour is ust bad. Im sorry for what you went through but thats not an excuse to think like that.

EDIT bad englando

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  • mantarey5500
  • 1 Points
  • 22:02:56, 4 December

I suggest you take a philosophy course to understand that "that's how we should be" is an incredibly debatable phrase.

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  • ZigZalgo
  • 1 Points
  • 22:01:44, 4 December

Upvote entirely due to edit 1. Keep on being wise good sir.

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  • Something_Funny
  • 1 Points
  • 22:05:22, 4 December

The maturity and calm rationality with which you responded in your edits is stunning. I sincerely wish you all the best and hope that you have or can continue to work through the horrible things that you were put through.

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  • Dcoil1
  • 1 Points
  • 22:06:14, 4 December

>EDIT: To everyone who is commenting about how the justice system isn't based on revenge, and to those who are implying that my feelings are somehow morally wrong: I respect your opinions. I don't feel the need to justify mine to you.

Fucking BRA-VO!

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  • DefinitelyNotFreud
  • 23 Points
  • 21:07:29, 4 December

The people telling you that you're sick are douchebags who obviously haven't experienced the criminal justice system from your perspective. You sound strong and resolve, I wish you all the best. :)

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  • mantarey5500
  • 36 Points
  • 21:11:34, 4 December

Thanks :) I appreciate it.

It's funny, I've only posted about this incident maybe once? Twice? But the one time I did post something about it, I got a bunch of replies and PMs telling me that I was "an attention-seeking cunt", and they "bet I bring it up all the time". That's probably the single worst thing that someone's ever said to me, to be honest. It really shook me up, and I swore off Reddit for a while.

The replies and PMs I'm getting now are WAY worse than that, but somehow they don't bother me. I think it's because this is one issue that I know I'm completely alone in my opinion on, and I've gotten used to it. I don't talk about my views on the justice system very often, specifically because they go against everything we're taught from a young age.

Anyway, thanks for being sympathetic, it's much appreciated :)

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  • dingoperson
  • 1 Points
  • 21:28:36, 4 December

You aren't alone. I don't wish this on anyone at the present, but know myself well enough to realize that just maybe, under particular sets of circumstances I could have.

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  • Toastbuns
  • 1 Points
  • 21:29:53, 4 December

Hey. I don't know if you will read this or if it even matters but I respect your opinion, while I may not be able to entirely understand or agree with it. I hope that you can move past this traumatic event in your life and be happy. You deserve all the happiness in the world.

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  • Riodancer
  • 1 Points
  • 21:37:36, 4 December

Definitely not alone. I would've done the same.

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  • Ishityounotman
  • 1 Points
  • 22:04:17, 4 December

I sent you a positive PM! I know you're probably not looking through your PMs cause people are posting rude stuff but look for mine! :)

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  • TJ5897
  • 1 Points
  • 21:18:14, 4 December

Because Revenge for the victim = justice.

Your vengeance is a burden on society because our current prison system is build around it. Rather than attempting to make prisoners functioning members of society we send them to be raped and assaulted, then wonder why they come out worse than when they went in.

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  • zulu49
  • 31 Points
  • 20:48:42, 4 December

You seriously need some therapy

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  • bethlookner
  • 7 Points
  • 21:12:56, 4 December

No one's asking you to justify your opinion. But I do take issue with your comments about health care and free gym membership. I find them laughable.

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  • mainlysane
  • 7 Points
  • 20:48:57, 4 December

Anyone who would do that to a child/person is an asshole. I can't promise with any certainty that he's suffering, but I do know this: people who are assholes in prison tend to pay for it. Hard.

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  • coffeedude7
  • 1 Points
  • 21:45:30, 4 December

No...pun....intended....

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  • benimbolo
  • 1 Points
  • 21:41:22, 4 December

>As his victim, all I get is the knowledge that he might be suffering severe beatings and brutal rapes in the can for the next twenty years. I absolutely hope that his fellow inmates are making him pay for every single bit of torture he put me through, for my parent's divorce, for my suicide attempt, and for the three year trial that tore my family in two.

He can't be the cause of all of your problems forever. You need to realize that past feelings and events can and should be overcome. Feelings are something that are within your control. Feeling hatred and anger is a choice that you make and it is how you harm yourself.

Here is an interesting speech. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx_vty8CeHQ

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  • mantarey5500
  • 1 Points
  • 21:44:32, 4 December

Thanks, I look forward to watching that!

I disagree that emotion is a choice. I spent some time in a mental rehabilitation center, and I learned that what we feel is not a choice. We do have a choice about how we act on those feelings, though, and that's what I have power over. Eventually, action translates to emotion.

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  • HillaB
  • 1 Points
  • 21:29:03, 4 December

This may be lost in the abyss of judgmental comments, but I'd like to tell you that I completely understand where you're coming from, and also respect your responses to those who are calling you wrong for feeling the way you do - very classy and you clearly have a great head on your shoulders. Stay strong. <3

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  • Twocann
  • 1 Points
  • 22:00:36, 4 December

Shit-abyss.

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  • babyshanks
  • 7 Points
  • 21:03:14, 4 December

Wow so many perks, he must be the happiest guy alive. /s

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  • SpanishSpice
  • 1 Points
  • 21:24:48, 4 December

I'm so so sorry. I really hope everything goes well for you! And the losers judging you can go fuck themselves. I find it hilarious how some redditors can muster up all the empathy/sympathy in the damn world for child molestors/rapists, but then use a cold approach to people who actually deserve empathy. You really don't have to justify yourself to anyone. Only you went through your experience so you have every right to feel a certain way. I hope you let go of those feelings ONLY because it will lift a weight off your shoulders, I hope.

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  • MattKingFTW
  • 1 Points
  • 21:26:19, 4 December

Thinking rape in any case is ok undermines your abuse as well as all others. Its wrong all the time no matter who to. Thinking it is right to punish using the same thing they did is not what justice is. I have no sympathy for someone who lives by "an eye for an eye" because we shouldn't live in a world like that.

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  • zaran42
  • 1 Points
  • 21:24:23, 4 December

I love it when threads get hijacked by crap like this.

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  • Tr0llphace
  • 1 Points
  • 21:34:21, 4 December

so reddit is suddenly supporters of vigilante justice? guess what, all victims of crime suffer for it, you aren't special.

fact: Serving time in prison is the punishment for doing crimes, not being beaten/raped/tortured while in prison. It's not okay to say person X 'deserves' that because the actions of other prisoners are not an extension of the justice system. They might beat up and rape that guy, but they'll also turn around and also beat up and rape someone else who is in for something minor.

They're not doing it out of some twisted sense of justice, its because they're predatory and target anyone vulnerable, and typically people who are in for sexual assault don't have other people to back them up in prison, making them an easy target. Rest assured that the same inmates you're cheering on to torture/rape someone are also doing it to people you would deem innocent and undeserving of it.

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  • ThisIsReLLiK
  • 1 Points
  • 21:37:06, 4 December

I don't get why everyone is arguing over whether it is the right thing to wish on someone. That is like arguing that it was right for the molester to do it in the first place. If our system had punishments in place like "an eye for an eye" our criminals might think twice before doing these kind of things.

I don't see how its wrong to want someone like that to suffer, nothing like this ever happened to me, but whenever I hear about it I agree that the rapist or molester or whatever it may be, should get exactly what they gave.

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  • DrBravi
  • 1 Points
  • 21:46:44, 4 December

Wow, that would be a great society.

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  • Drewbus
  • 1 Points
  • 21:43:26, 4 December

Wrath is a deadly sin. I'm really sorry for your misfortune. It's a shame this ever happens to anyone.

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  • FynnM
  • 2 Points
  • 20:55:28, 4 December

I sympathise with you for going through that trauma but the sort of stuff your saying is just sick.

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  • Planet-man
  • 1 Points
  • 21:34:01, 4 December

Wow, the replies you're getting for this are pathetic. Can people really not understand how a life-destroying child rapist might deserve to get brutalized in prison? And that that's not even remotely the same thing as an innocent child getting brutalized for no reason? Anyway, good on you dude.

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  • McTwisterson
  • 1 Points
  • 22:00:45, 4 December

They don't have to be the same thing for them both to be wrong. For Christ's sake.

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  • discreetheartbeat
  • 1 Points
  • 21:33:39, 4 December

Your edits are the best I've ever seen, and as another stranger on the internet, I'd just like to say fuck those people questioning you.

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  • XenosisReaper
  • -4 Points
  • 20:56:46, 4 December

The justice system isn't there for your vengeance.

Get some mental help.

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  • JK0807
  • 1 Points
  • 21:25:24, 4 December

You have a lot of balls telling a rape victim to get mental help because they wish what happened to them upon the person who did It to them. Fuck off and grow up.

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  • JustAnotherCrackpot
  • 1 Points
  • 21:44:58, 4 December

I cant say your wrong because most people would feel exactly the same way. It isn't the way I would want to feel about the situation, but what you want, and what you get aren't always the same. So long and short of it I understand your feelings. That being said I wish our treatment of our non prisoners met the standers of our treatment of prisoners. I also wish you the best luck on your road to recovery.

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  • Deepakpar
  • 1 Points
  • 21:50:18, 4 December

Hey, I don't care what these ppl say. You have every right to be angry and wish that against the person that tore your life apart. We aren't saints. Hope you're doing better, lots of love and internet hugs!

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  • KingJako
  • 1 Points
  • 21:53:08, 4 December

This is the sort of thinking that will keep you in the mind set of a victim for the rest of your life. You need to stop feeling sorry for yourself and your family and start living your life again. Forget about the guy who wronged you, he is being punished for his transgressions and hopefully will not harm any one else again. I am also the victim of sexual assault and can assure you that forgiveness is not easy but worth every bit of effort required.

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  • TehJams
  • 1 Points
  • 21:54:52, 4 December

I like you. I hope that things are going better for you now.

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  • Slunches
  • 1 Points
  • 21:55:30, 4 December

Reading your edits upsets me. You are totally justified in how you feel and I would feel the same. I wish you the best.

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  • FlamingEagles
  • 1 Points
  • 21:57:31, 4 December

I agree with you, alot of people commenting who have never been in your shoes are condoning your actions. I'd like to see where they stand if it ever happened to them. Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, bullshit, there are a lot of people and fuck that person for what they did, they deserve nothing but hell.

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  • philter451
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  • 21:57:51, 4 December

I wish all the time that the person who assaulted me gets lung cancer. You feel whatever way you want to feel as long as it helps you heal.

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  • bafraid
  • 1 Points
  • 21:58:38, 4 December

As I started reading others' replies to you, I had to stop because it pissed me off too much. No one has walked in your shoes and they have no business judging, condemning, or questioning you. You absolutely have a right to your feelings and thoughts. It's your right to process through everything in your own way. I just wanted to give you my support, for what it's worth. I was a victims advocate, worked for the state prison. the trauma and experiences you have had are things you don't have to explain or defend to others. To hell with those assholes. I wish you the best in all you do.

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  • Jokers2theRight
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  • 21:59:38, 4 December

Don't feel guilty for one second. Wishing pain on someone who's earned it is not immoral. The problem is we live in a world where you're not allowed to hate your enemies anymore. Fuck that. He's not your equal. He doesn't deserve your pity or consideration. One of my favorite movie quotes is from Marcellus Wallace in Pulp Fiction, "What now? Let me tell you what now. I'ma call a couple of hard, pipe-hittin' niggas to go to work on homes here with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch. You hear me talkin' hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by damn sight. I'ma get medieval on your ass."

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  • midwestwatcher
  • 1 Points
  • 22:00:43, 4 December

I think you are missing the bigger picture that most people in prison at any given time (for whatever crime) are eventually released; something like 95%. By leaning more toward the side of revenge and less on rehabilitation, we aren't doing all we can to stop future crimes from happening. That makes your position a danger to me and my family. Do you want my family to suffer the same crime you did?

I think your post has single-handedly convinced me that if there were ever a referendum, I would support more rehabilitation and less prison time on the condition that there was evidence it would lead to fewer crimes committed. I guess I had never been forced to make a choice in my head before, but thanks to your post, I am now willing to take that position.

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  • LongSchlongBanana
  • 1 Points
  • 22:00:46, 4 December

Should a pedophile not have the chance to change his life after or in jail?

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  • mister_obnoxious
  • 1 Points
  • 22:01:25, 4 December

> My personal life is my personal life

If that's true, why are you making it public?

By posting personal information about yourself here, expecting some kind of response, you can't really turn around and tell everyone not to "judge it." Now it just looks like you're patting yourself on the back for being vengeful. Good job.

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  • UmbraeAccipiter
  • 1 Points
  • 22:02:09, 4 December

If you are truly envious of the facilities available to prisoners for free, I know a simple way to get in. Now leaving the program is a bit of a bitch, but getting in is easy.

To clarify, I have no comment on your feelings as to him being hurt, that you are entitled to. I just want you to know that the programs he is offered, while free are designed to allow this person other options when he leaves. instead of just going right back to what he knows. Not fully relevant to pedophiles, but still an important program for stopping recidivism in general.

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  • SecretChristian
  • 1 Points
  • 22:02:34, 4 December

This comment is disgusting.

Signed, victim of years long rape as a child.

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  • IAMTHEDEATHMACHINE
  • 1 Points
  • 22:04:19, 4 December

You fuckin' rule.

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  • FANGO
  • 1 Points
  • 22:05:24, 4 December

So we're giving out gold for comments which thank people for rape now? Is that what we're doing?

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  • thisisboring
  • 1 Points
  • 22:06:31, 4 December

Commenting on your edits concerning the people who criticized you for desiring some sort of revenge. Your feelings are completely justified. Justice is partly about revenge. An eye for an eye has its merits.

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  • lonelyfrancisco
  • 1 Points
  • 22:06:40, 4 December

Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else, you are the one who gets burned. -- Buddha

You are not the only person who has experienced trauma in his/her life. I can not understand perhaps, exactly what happened to you, but I can understand hatred and forgiveness and the desire for revenge. If you hold on to hate in your life you are only contributing to a world that is already far too full of violence and hate.

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  • giulianosse
  • 1 Points
  • 22:07:23, 4 December

PM of your sexy ass

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  • newtonslogic
  • 1 Points
  • 22:07:55, 4 December

Know what sucks the most about Reddit? The plethora of PC campus liberal assholes with their skinny jeans and their skinny lattes and their shitty taste in music, the type who think Nelson Mandela was a hero and believe noone should ever have bad feelings because rainbows and kittens.

Right up until the moment their shit gets stolen, they get their asses kicked, they get raped, something happens to one of their loved ones.

I'm actually quite liberal myself, but number one I keep it to myself and number two I'm a pragmatist. Everyone play nice is a beautiful sentiment, but sometimes the playground bully needs a smack in the head.

I don't begrudge you your feelings at all. I hope you can reach a place in your life where the hurt and the hate fade, but until then I don't blame you at all.

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  • MagnusTheGreat
  • 1 Points
  • 22:08:02, 4 December

Your life has probably been very tough, but that is why no one deserves what you and countless others have gone through, not even the human garbage, piece of shit cunts that do these things, even though they do deserve a severe punishment.

Thank you for sharing your story and I hope you have, or at least will one day, let the past go and continue towards the future. May you find happiness and peace.

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  • FriendlyDespot
  • 1 Points
  • 22:08:23, 4 December

You're sick, and you need help.

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  • B52Bombsell
  • 1 Points
  • 22:08:59, 4 December

"I respect your opinions. I don't feel the need to justify mine to you." "Thank you for your concern, I appreciate it. That being said, I hope you don't mind that I'm not going to take your assertions about my character seriously."

GOOD DAY, SIR!(claps on hat and slams the door)

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  • BlacktoseIntolerant
  • 1 Points
  • 22:09:09, 4 December

I honestly don't think it has to do with the physical act of wanting your attacker to be attacked, specifically.

It simply has to do with wanting that person to feel exactly how you felt so he or she can possibly understand how awful and wrong it is.

I had a friend, shortly out of high school, that got murdered while in the military. Not overseas ... but here, by some shitheads that were trying to rob him and his friend.

My buddy's best friend said these words, and I'll never forget them. "I want to find his best friend and murder him. I want him to feel how I feel right now."

It was then that made me realize terrible people can do terrible things and make you, in turn, think terrible thoughts. That doesn't make /u/mantarey5500 a bad person, or evil - simply an emotional victim. And I'm not going to be one to blast him for it.

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  • Theonetrue
  • 1 Points
  • 22:09:47, 4 December

He doesn't get to have sex for 20 years. He is never truly alone for 20 years. He will have not one single friend in 20 years. His family might even avoid him. He will have to tell people who he wants to work for what he did the last 20 years. He might be too old to ever get a family or at least kids after that. He will be reminded of what he did till the day he dies and a lot of people will treat him badly for it. Hell he might not even be able to stay out of prison after he is done because he is not used to the real world.

I am not saying that his life must suck but I believe that sometimes death would be the lighter penalty compared to slow suffering until you die.

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  • MishkaShubaly
  • 1 Points
  • 22:09:48, 4 December

You have a right to feel angry.

Thank you for sharing your story.

Good luck and don't let the bastards get you down.

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  • satanismyhomeboy
  • 1 Points
  • 22:13:10, 4 December

How the fuck did this shit get gilded. Twice.

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  • Chitons
  • 1 Points
  • 22:13:15, 4 December

Good for you. Have your opinions and don't feel the need to back down to please some strangers

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  • Invisible-Elephant
  • 1 Points
  • 22:13:17, 4 December

You're a fucking tard

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  • MidnightMateor
  • 1 Points
  • 22:13:42, 4 December

It's really obnoxious reading the opinions of people who've never faced such a tough situation in their lives. The truth is, you were victimized, and you have every right to feel nothing but pure contempt for the monster that did it. In a truly just society, he would be put to death, because he can never repay what he took from you so maliciously.

The people criticizing you here are the same kind of people who believe that child-molesters, rapists, and violent sex offenders deserve a second chance and to still have rights, as if an indiscriminate amount of time in adult timeout changes their mentality or brain function. They give no thoughts to the rights that were taken from you, and the monstrosity of an animal capable of such inexcusably heinous violence. It deserves every rape it gets, so that it can feel what it's like to be violated over and over again.

That said, reddit has become largely dominated by left-wing hippies who want to all hold hands and sing Kumbaya around a campfire. Everyone likes to have an opinion, but few are based on logic, reason, and experience.

And all the people advocating for her attacker, shame on you. Let's let a monster rape you and see if you still feel the same. When you read about these kinds of things, your reaction shouldn't be, here's what I would do. It should be, I can't imagine the pain of that situation, and I have no right to make any judgments of the victim because I'm fortunate enough to have not experienced such tragedy firsthand.

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  • introvertintrovert
  • 1 Points
  • 22:13:50, 4 December

You are the most calm, rational, and self-possessed person to ever post on Reddit. Thank you.

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  • Ragnaroket
  • 1 Points
  • 22:13:56, 4 December

Wow, I simply cannot believe as a victim of sexual assault yourself you are condoning prison rape. I mean, I understand you were a victim, and I'm sorry that happened to you. But if you're condoning that kind of behavior... are you really any better than he is?

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