A reminder from DailyMTG: "Disrespectful, harassing or bullying behavior, whether onsite or online, is not welcome at Magic events and violates Magic tournament floor rules." (wizards.com)

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88 ups - 41 downs = 47 votes

113 comments submitted at 00:23:17 on Mar 11, 2014 by xDragod

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  • xDragod
  • 13 Points
  • 01:46:41, 11 March

For anyone who is confused by the date this was originally posted, Helene tweeted this article in response to this issue.

LSV, Kibler, and others are discussing the issue on twitter here.

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  • Posts_About_Ayn_Rand
  • 1 Points
  • 02:31:09, 11 March

I can't believe how much a huff the "big names" in Magic are getting in over this! The "offenders" didn't have their faces shown and there are zero statements that can be considered ridiculing (from what I've seen). It's just a kid making weird poses next to asscracks! I don't see bullying here.

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  • scary_spider
  • 12 Points
  • 02:29:47, 11 March

Wow, okay. It seems to me that a lot of people here are having the reaction that they found the original post funny, and therefore it must be okay. To begin, I would invite you to take a moment to step back from that assumption, and seriously consider the possibility that it might be wrong -- that those pictures, while perhaps amusing on some level, were definitely not okay to post, and that we as a community should not be defending it.

If it helps, you might notice that well respected players (and contributors to this subreddit) like LSV and Kibler have already started to voice their strong disapproval on twitter. Obviously the fact that they think something doesn't make it correct. But if you are having trouble looking beyond your own initial reaction, the fact that people you probably respect strongly disagree might help.

With that being said, let's be perfectly clear. The real problem with the post in question is not, as some people have suggested, that it reinforces stereotypes about Magic players, regardless of whether those stereotypes are fair or unfair. The problem is simply that it singles out individual people for public ridicule. That is simply not an acceptable thing for anyone to do, and not something that any of us should approve of. It is, to be blunt, bullying. The vast majority of those who upvoted and commented on the original post participated in that bullying, and I'm incredibly sorry to see that people are doing the same thing here.

One excuse I've heard made is that the pictures were 'in good fun'. I don't doubt that they were meant to be funny to the viewers doing the mocking, but that does not in any way make it acceptable. From the perspective of the people who were photographed I am sure it was not fun or funny at all -- that is the difference between a harmless joke and hurtful ridicule.

Another excuse I've heard is that you can't identify the people in the photos, because their faces aren't shown. First of all, that is just false -- you can often recognize someone you know from the back, and in fact at least one commenter in the original thread already claimed to have identified a coworker. And even if it were true, the people in the pictures would know it was them, and being mocked for your appearance by thousands of people on line is a terrible feeling regardless of whether they know who you are.

Finally, I've heard it said that if they didn't want to be photographed they shouldn't have let themselves be exposed in public. But even if it's true that they should have taken better care -- maybe you could cite the dress code, or general etiquette, or whatever -- that in no way excuses publicly mocking those people. The two things are just not proportional at all: an unintentional bit of negligence does not excuse a deliberate and mean spirited act.

To be honest, it didn't surprise me to see a post like this on main reddit front page. I've been around long enough (8 years now, although this is a new account) to know that there is always a lot of shit upvoted, and the average user is usually up for a casual laugh at someone else's expense. What does surprise and sadden me though, is to see it defended here. I guess I'll probably get downvoted for going against the status quo, but if I can get even one person to rethink the knee-jerk assumption that this kind of thing is okay then I won't consider the time it took to make this post wasted.

EDIT: for spelling.

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  • Beast82
  • 3 Points
  • 02:51:45, 11 March

Agree 100%. Thank you for making this post.

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  • crackajackmtg
  • 33 Points
  • 00:42:10, 11 March

I don't know. I find it humorous and laughed, but at the same time wish TOs and organizers would crack down on blatant violations of dress codes such as exposed asses. I know it's awkward, but having dealt with situations like this as someone in "charge" you have to do something about BO or exposed people.

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  • ironprominent
  • 28 Points
  • 00:59:37, 11 March

During the judge conference one of the presenters brought up the rule for the Book of Five Rings game that judges can DQ players for poor hygiene. He then asked the crowd how many people would be in favor of that rule being instituted for Magic. Everyone in the crowd cheered. If issues like this are being brought up at a judge conference, I think it's safe to say there is a real problem.

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  • jjness
  • 7 Points
  • 01:30:24, 11 March

Everybody else's kids are horrible, but my little snowflake.

My legislators are excellent. Vote the rest out!

All magic players but me are smelly and need to shower.

Unfortunately, I'm sure I'm not far from the truth.

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  • alkapwnee
  • 1 Points
  • 01:52:01, 11 March

At least this way the offender is the one who is being removed, as opposed to imposing himself on the others.

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  • kitsunewarlock
  • 3 Points
  • 01:31:09, 11 March

Just pointing this out, despite the fact your right: As someone who has participated numerous times in competitive Legend of the Five Rings and Magic: The Gathering, they are completely different affairs. L5R players aren't in it for the money (there is no gravy train; prizes are almost always entirely story choices and product). Players (willingly) decide based on game-state and cards revealed from hand who would have won the game when games go to time. Players give strangers rares they are missing for their deck even when vendors are present. I've never seen a deck or bag stolen and the level of companionship between players playing the same type of decks is extremely tight.

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  • bigbobo33
  • 11 Points
  • 01:06:50, 11 March

You think people are purposely showing their ass cracks as some fashion statement? It's an accident. Just ask them to pull their pants up, not take their picture and ridicule them.

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  • SadCritters
  • 0 Points
  • 01:41:28, 11 March

> It's an accident. Just ask them to pull their pants up, not take their picture and ridicule them.

So now it's the community's duty to make sure you are decent as far as clothing and hygiene are concerned....? Come on buddy.

We shouldn't have to police people because they can't manage to figure out that we don't want to see/smell that. =/

You should have the common decency that when you leave your house/hotel/car/whateveryouarestayinginatanevent that you look presentable/don't smell like you just climbed through piles of trash to get to the event.

I'm not trying to be rude---But where you at the Grand Prix this weekend? I was. I saw/smelled more things than necessary. I saw restrooms that looked like bears had torn through them ( Causing me to search out other restrooms in other areas of the convention center . My entire group did this. ). Personal Hygiene is definitely an issue in our community and needs to be addressed sooner than later.

Besides---Asking someone to pull up their pants isn't going to be abrasive/or embarrassing either in the least---Right?

I'm not supporting the images posted, but I am pointing out that it's not as easy as: "Dude, just ask them to pull up their pants in this highly public setting when you don't actually know the person while they are in the middle of their game."

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  • alkapwnee
  • 4 Points
  • 01:54:38, 11 March

I think barring blatant nudity, like full pants falling down and no immediate correction, things like ass cracks really only warrant "Hey, your shirt is riding too high against the chair and pants too low"

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  • Pogotross
  • 5 Points
  • 02:02:14, 11 March

Yeah. Ass-crack happens. There's a reason why many chairs have full backs, you know?

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  • alkapwnee
  • 2 Points
  • 02:08:26, 11 March

Exactly. If I sit in a chair with that perfect spot open for ass crack to show, I try to check back to make sure my shirt hasn't ridden up my back. Which happens, whether you be some greasywadd or otherwise, because of minor adjustments one usually passively makes in a chair.

This guy is just silly.

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  • SadCritters
  • -3 Points
  • 01:58:39, 11 March

...Because that's not embarrassing/abrasive either? Especially when speaking to someone you don't know that is surrounded by other strangers?

If ass-cracks hanging out has gotten to the point that someone felt the need to satirize it...I believe that means we may have an issue on our hands.

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  • alkapwnee
  • 2 Points
  • 02:06:48, 11 March

I am not saying it's not gross, but it certainly has happened to everyone, and short of there being a constant breeze within the room, knowing a portion of your skin that isn't a more personal area is not that easily detectable. It has happened to me on more than a few occasions in my entire life, and although I attempt to remain vigilant against it, it still has happened. It's not especially offensive, certainly it is not dignifying, but it certainly is not worth DQing someone over, unless there is repeated purposeful infractions, which I really don't know how one could track, particularly the malicious portion.

But hey, if downvoting me for being contrarian makes you feel more correct, by all means.

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  • SadCritters
  • 1 Points
  • 02:11:25, 11 March

>But hey, if downvoting me for being contrarian makes you feel more correct, by all means.

I'm not the one downvoting---Look at my posts. I'm the one being downvoted for disagreeing that it is pretty much as embarrassing to walk up between a game and say: "Yo bro. Your ass is showing. "

But I mean---What do I know about the issue of manners at the GP? I seem to be one of the only people in the conversation that actually went.

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  • bigbobo33
  • 6 Points
  • 01:47:18, 11 March

> So now it's the community's duty to make sure you are decent as far as clothing and hygiene are concerned....? Come on buddy.

Don't twist my words. I did not say that people need to check on each other or anything in that regard. I'm just saying that if you have a problem with someone showing a buttcrack, ask them to pull their pants up instead of humiliating them on reddit.

If you want to fix this problem like you say you do, then actually do something about it instead of being an asshole.

This is just bullying masquerading as goodwill.

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  • SadCritters
  • -2 Points
  • 01:54:47, 11 March

>I'm just saying that if you have a problem with someone showing a buttcrack, ask them to pull their pants up instead of humiliating them on reddit.

Humiliating the backside of an individual that no one can discern from someone else?

I know you're trying to "White Knight" for these people and stuff---But the mentality of asking people to just "pull up their pants" is pretty absurd when you take into account that they are surrounded by people as well.

Were you at the Grand Prix, as I asked earlier?

Manners and hygiene were pretty rare there. Pushing and shoving/dead-stopping in aisles where people walk was about as common as it gets.

Asking people to be presentable isn't too much to ask for.

You let me know how it goes for you when you ask a complete stranger, who's ass is hanging out, to just "pull up their pants". Do report back to me with how that conversation goes for you---Because I can already tell you that with the overall idea of "manners" being pretty degraded at the Grand Prix...It's not going to turn out quite the way you have imagined. ( I assume you imagine them just pulling up their pants without saying anything. )

This also begs to mention---When would you ask them to pull up their pants?...Right in the middle of their game in front of all the players around them?...That's not embarrassing either in the least.

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  • bigbobo33
  • 6 Points
  • 02:00:15, 11 March

> Right in the middle of their game in front of all the players around them?...That's not embarrassing either in the least.

>That's not embarrassing either in the least.

And posting their pictures to reddit where everyone can see their ass isn't embarrassing? What the fuck is wrong with you?

No, I wasn't at GP Richmond but I have been to several PTQs and Opens and have never had any major problems with public hygiene.

If you have a problem with an asscrack, you of course go up to them and ask them to pull up their pants. If they tell you off, report it to a judge that you find it offensive and they refuse to do anything about it.

Don't be some passive-aggressive pansy who only is confident when bullying people anonymously.

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  • SadCritters
  • -1 Points
  • 02:04:32, 11 March

>And posting their pictures to reddit where everyone can see their ass isn't embarrassing? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Where did I say it wasn't embarrassing? Please stop trying to argue something I am not saying.

I am saying that your method isn't really much better and that people should understand to look presentable.

>No, I wasn't at GP Richmond but I have been to several PTQs and Opens and have never had any major problems with hygiene.

How large were those events? A PTQ can be pretty small. This was over 4,000 people.

> If they tell you off, report it to a judge that you find it offensive and they refuse to do anything about it.

Because that's not embarrassing either....?

>Don't be some passive-aggressive pansy who only is confident when bullying people anonymously.

When did I say it was a-okay to bully people?

I believe you're having issues with what's being truly said here and confusing it with what you want me to be saying.

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  • Lambog
  • 3 Points
  • 01:58:13, 11 March

I'm not going to pretend hygiene isn't an issue with the Magic community but the solution isn't posting pictures on the internet with the express purpose of "Hey, let's laugh at these people's expense."

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  • SadCritters
  • 1 Points
  • 02:05:29, 11 March

> I'm not supporting the images posted, but I am pointing out that it's not as easy as: "Dude, just ask them to pull up their pants in this highly public setting when you don't actually know the person."

I'm not saying that's the answer either---I'm just saying that it shouldn't be the community's job to police people because they can't manage to keep themselves presentable.

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  • branewalker
  • 2 Points
  • 01:41:58, 11 March

> crack down

hehehe

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  • hhhehehebot
  • 1 Points
  • 01:42:02, 11 March

http://i.imgur.com/J8K3L.jpg

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  • solid-one-love
  • 5 Points
  • 02:25:40, 11 March

Did this guy open his store in Columbus, OH yet? My wife pointed out to me that it's gonna be tough to run DCI events when he's under a 6-month ban. DCI suspension doesn't mean playing -- it means being a TO, too. Like, no FNM. That'll sure help out a new business focused on MtG, eh wot?

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  • yoinker272
  • 40 Points
  • 00:43:55, 11 March

So the message I am seeing is that partial nudity is acceptable in a 13+ environment, but that lightheartedly calling that out warrants an official reminder statement...

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  • gregtron
  • 1 Points
  • 02:40:34, 11 March

Sure, because a little bit of butt-crack is super harmful, unlike bullying and mocking others because that never hurt anyone ever.

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  • bon_mot
  • -1 Points
  • 02:50:52, 11 March

This is hardly bullying.

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  • Beast82
  • 0 Points
  • 02:58:27, 11 March

Maybe not "bullying" per se, but this certainly qualifies as harassment and mockery. Regardless of what you call it, posting extremely embarrassing pictures of people without their consent on the internet is harmful and unacceptable.

This reflects poorly on the Magic community in multiple ways.

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  • Drigr
  • 3 Points
  • 02:40:32, 11 March

What I hated about that thread the most were the comments...

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  • drawingdead0
  • 8 Points
  • 01:15:54, 11 March

For those who were as confused as I was

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  • vatechguy
  • 0 Points
  • 01:24:38, 11 March

This was posted by Helen 2 years ago - it doesn't have anything to do with the asscrack thread.

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  • xDragod
  • 7 Points
  • 01:32:22, 11 March

Helene tweeted it today in response to this issue.

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  • drawingdead0
  • 5 Points
  • 01:26:15, 11 March

I was more referring to the entirety of the discussion in the thread, and the reason this post is on the sub right now.

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  • Scarbrow
  • 2 Points
  • 01:27:10, 11 March

That post brought up the discussion of what is and isn't appropriate conduct, and Helene's statement is still relevant

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  • ChiefBigGay
  • 14 Points
  • 01:00:15, 11 March

I'm enough of a child I found the album to be funny, and I'm enough of an adult to realize these people could buy a belt and not expose their ass.

They know it's hanging out there and they don't care. They put it on public display. I think what the guy did was childish but it could have a positive outcome.

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  • Nightcinder
  • -1 Points
  • 01:48:51, 11 March

Quite a few of them had a belt, that made it that much worse.

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  • ChiefBigGay
  • 0 Points
  • 01:59:08, 11 March

I didn't check it out long enough, but wow. :/ Come on peeps

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  • SoAwake
  • 7 Points
  • 00:27:13, 11 March

I love that they have these floor rules for harassment but I hate that it gets bad enough that they have to remind us with something like this.

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  • Brosephski
  • 15 Points
  • 00:51:25, 11 March

Maybe if you didn't want people to make fun of you for having exposed ass-cracks, you shouldn't have had exposed ass-cracks. I can't even attend an LGS without seeing an exposed ass-crack. Now, I have enough tact to only make fun of these people privately, among friends, without incriminating photos, but you shouldn't be surprised that this sort of behind-your-back belittling occurs. What, did you think your ass-crack would make me find some new-found respect in you? Not likely, sorry.

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  • Tivrusky
  • -14 Points
  • 01:51:24, 11 March

If she didn't want to get raped she shouldn't have dressed that way.

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  • erebus91
  • 4 Points
  • 01:57:13, 11 March

That is a ridiculously offensive analogy to draw and is not even remotely similar to what /u/Brosephski is suggesting.

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  • darthqueeg
  • 0 Points
  • 01:55:57, 11 March

False equivalence is false.

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  • yoinker272
  • 0 Points
  • 01:59:34, 11 March

You are an idiot.

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  • Lambog
  • 2 Points
  • 01:51:02, 11 March

I'm kind of shocked that it needs to be explained how disrespectful this is. Doing something to get a laugh is one thing but it's a problem when one party isn't complicit in the joke.

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  • Noxwalrus
  • 6 Points
  • 01:09:06, 11 March

I think this is a bit much. If that guy posted a bunch of pics of ass cracks from the subway would anyone even think twice? Not a chance. And aside from the ass cracks everyone in the pictures is a pretty normal person. Sure it points out a few players who may need to work on their wardrobe but there are TONS of people much worse than that.

For the people saying it reflects badly on the MTG community I honestly ask you to take another look at our community. This is exactly what I would expect at a GP and experience some players much worse on a weekly basis at FNM. When pre-release rolls around and the top post on this sub is about taking showers, you know the issue isn't how everyone else views the MTG community, it's how we view ourselves. Sure there are tons of normal MTG players, but there are also way more smelly/neckbeard types than in the general population. If you don't want this to be the face of magic players, then it's the players that have to do something about it. Getting mad at people for pointing out the reality of most MTG events won't solve the problem.

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  • xDragod
  • 13 Points
  • 01:28:28, 11 March

> Getting mad at people for pointing out the reality of most MTG events won't solve the problem.

The problem isn't pointing it out. It's about the way it was done.

If he had pointed out these individuals' wardrobe issues in private and with tact, he would be exactly the kind of MtG player this community needs. Instead, he chose to use a public forum (Reddit) to expose the issue to thousands of people AND only perpetuated the stereotype of MtG players being slovenly and socially inept.

This sort of thing does damage to Magic as a brand and Magic as a community. GP Richmond had 4,300 players. We saw sixteen cracks. Which do you think will stick in the minds of non-Magic players when they think of Magic and Magic players? I'm going to guess that it's not the 4,284 players who weren't represented in the pictures.

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  • Noxwalrus
  • -1 Points
  • 01:43:35, 11 March

I agree it wasn't done most tactfully, but it's also not his job to be the wardrobe police. The people at the tournament obviously had no problem letting 4300 other people look at their ass, not to mention the rest of their daily interaction where this might occur. No faces were shown and no names were given. And frankly, this might be a wake up call to some people to change for the better. When our own sub is full of bad FNM experiences, people getting cards stolen, and stories of the smelly guy at FNM and nothing changes, then maybe it takes someone from the outside saying "yea that's not cool" to get people motivated to change.

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  • flappinginthewind
  • 0 Points
  • 01:45:52, 11 March

>GP Richmond had 4,300 players. We saw sixteen cracks. Which do you think will stick in the minds of non-Magic players when they think of Magic and Magic players?

If the same people who saw the post actually went to the event do you think it would have been any different of an impression? They would still remember and when asked about it would probably list it off as the first thing they remember about it.

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  • Portland
  • -1 Points
  • 02:16:53, 11 March

Sixteen of how many?

When I'm at FNM I REGULARLY see asscrack. Plus a lot of MTG players are poorly groomed & smelly. I try not to judge their hygiene choices.

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  • inktrap
  • 0 Points
  • 01:25:23, 11 March

I agree that it's a bit much. But Wizards is doing this to protect their brand, imho, not the community. I suppose you could argue they're one in the same.

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  • oraymw
  • -2 Points
  • 01:33:00, 11 March

If this guy did the same thing at Subway, and Subway discovered it, he would be banned from Subway.

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  • Noxwalrus
  • 0 Points
  • 01:48:48, 11 March

I meant subway as in public transit. Not the restaurant. But either way my points still stand.

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  • oraymw
  • 3 Points
  • 01:58:23, 11 March

Players showing a little bit of crack is much less detrimental to the community than the effect of bullies. Your points do not stand. Bullying is not okay.

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  • Noxwalrus
  • -1 Points
  • 02:21:48, 11 March

If this is bullying, then memes are bullying. Peopleofwalmart is bullying. Half of any comic con coverage is bullying. The "hot or not" sections of magazines are bullying. Any "fail" video is bullying. The show "cops" is bullying. The news is bullying. I'm sorry but I just don't consider this bullying. It wasn't malicious and didn't provide any identifiable characteristics. If he was linking facebook pages or making derogatory comments I would agree with you. But saying "hey that guys crack is showing" and snickering isn't a big deal.

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  • oraymw
  • 2 Points
  • 02:23:37, 11 March

People of Walmart is bullying. Half of any comic-con coverage is bollying. The "hot or not" sections of magazines are bullying. Fail videos are bullying. The show "Cops" is often bullying. The news is often bullying. Memes are usually bullying.

If you don't consider this to be bullying, then you are working from the wrong definition.

Don't be sorry. Just learn to correctly evaluate bullying.

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  • bon_mot
  • 1 Points
  • 02:57:17, 11 March

What definition of Bullying are you using?

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  • flappinginthewind
  • 4 Points
  • 01:19:36, 11 March

This whole thing about the ass crack post is just unneeded drama. You have one side saying "We don't want to enforce the stereotype that we are bullies and insensitive" and the other side saying "We don't want to be seen as uptight with no sense of humor". Does anybody realize that it's just two sides bickering about ass cracks, Jesus H. Maybe that's the true nature of the Magic community, nobody can get along because they think their thoughts about X Y or Z are the only ones that are right, and that post has definitely given people not familiar with the community a full on view of that.

You know what the post did. Showed people one of the one of the biggest MtG events there is. Do you think that if it had just been pics of people playing at the tournament it would have hit 10,000 upvotes. No it would not. But if somebody not familiar with the MtG community went to the event do you think that they would have any different view than what that post showed? They still would have been bombarded with ass cracks and no matter how many people they saw wearing their pants appropiately they would still fucking remember it.

The people who thought Magic was shitty still do. The people who loved it still do. Just pull up your pants and play some god damned card games

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  • jjness
  • 1 Points
  • 01:31:40, 11 March

It's almost as if we're allowed to have differing opinions from each other!

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  • flappinginthewind
  • -1 Points
  • 01:37:57, 11 March

I know right! So let's all stand on opposite sides of the room and yell at each other about it, and see where that gets us. /s

I'm all for differing opinions and discussing different issues, but when the community (in this case this subreddit) gets up in arms and everybody is arguing with each other (arguing is very different from discussing) about things that don't actually have anything to do with the game, but rather how the community is viewed by the outside world then it drains a lot of the fun out of it.

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  • BattleChoads
  • 3 Points
  • 01:06:40, 11 March

If only the community and TOs cared this much about solving the problem of bad hygiene and ass cracks at events, there wouldnt be such an issue in the first place

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  • Mooatwork
  • -3 Points
  • 01:19:29, 11 March

Yes, when you get down to the root of things, if those cracks weren't exposed to begin with, we wouldn't be having all this fuss over nothing.

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  • klapaucius
  • 1 Points
  • 02:41:08, 11 March

I wonder how different that argument is from "if those women didn't wear such low-cut shirts, they wouldn't have strangers taking pictures of their cleavage without their permission".

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  • meatwhisper
  • 3 Points
  • 00:35:58, 11 March

I seriously hope this tool was/will be banned. I'm not even in the "stereotypes" presented in the original thread, but I can't stand this type of bullying in any hobby/way of life/culture.

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  • yoinker272
  • 16 Points
  • 00:45:11, 11 March

It isn't bullying IMO, he is lightheartedly trying to bring the issue to light...having your asscrack show is blatantly disrespectful to your peers - much more so than the post.

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  • sweds
  • 12 Points
  • 01:09:59, 11 March

Taking unflattering pictures of people without their knowledge or consent and then posting about it for comedic effect on the internet isn't bullying? I disagree.

Not only that, but it casts the Magic community in a fairly bad light.

A much better way to "bring the issue to light" might have been to approach people between rounds to say "hey man, your pants are falling down," or even to post a "If you're going to the largest constructed tournament ever, remember one of these" threads with a link to a picture of a belt.

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  • Mooatwork
  • 1 Points
  • 01:15:38, 11 March

If this is bullying, can you explicitly identify the victim(s)? If I walked past any of the people in those pictures on the street I wouldn't recognize them.

Having an asscrack exposed also casts the MTG community in a bad light. If we the community can't bring an end to this, who are we to declare we're a community when we can't resolve something like this.

I agree this could've been portrayed better but I feel it's done well to bring attention to the matter.

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  • sweds
  • 4 Points
  • 01:23:23, 11 March

There are a few people that are dressed fairly distinctively there, and could probably be identified by people that know them and their wardrobe. They might hear about it for a while at their LGS or even at their workplace.

>Having an asscrack exposed also casts the MTG community in a bad light. If we the community can't bring an end to this, who are we to declare we're a community when we can't resolve something like this.

You're making it sound as though people having partially exposed behinds is a major problem that the Magic community is grappling with. Yes, it's preventable. Yes, there are related and unrelated problems that can be addressed. There is also a better way to go about doing this than publicly shaming people.

A way that this hurts the Magic community is that people who don't know how diverse the game is, how much international appeal it has, etc. may now perceive it as "that game that the overweight guys with their ass cracks hanging out play." Michael Ian Black, for example, tweeted the imgur link, and he has 2 million Twitter followers. That's a ton of people that now might have a more negative opinion of the community and the game without ever having given it a fair chance, and new players are always important if we want the game to grow.

EDIT: Also consider how many new players might want to play at FNMs and GPs but decide not to because their perception of the MTG community is colored by this.

  • [-]
  • Mooatwork
  • -3 Points
  • 01:33:31, 11 March

>There are a few people that are dressed fairly distinctively there, and could probably be identified by people that know them and their wardrobe. They might hear about it for a while at their LGS or even at their workplace.

I feel this is a null point. If you didn't want to get shit for having your buttcrack exposed, you should've covered your buttcrack.

>That's a ton of people that now might have a more negative opinion of the community and the game without ever having given it a fair chance, and new players are always important if we want the game to grow.

So people don't join the game. I bet over half of the people that see the pictures never had any intent of joining the game anyways. Think about it this way. PT BNG only had something like ~5000 viewers on twitch when I watched it. So if 2 million people see the pictures, sure you're going to get some jokes out of it. But think about how many people will be talking about MTG, and then people could possibly even be interested once they look past that it was a joke.

  • [-]
  • jjness
  • 1 Points
  • 01:33:23, 11 March

People need to realize when you're in public, you have no expectation of privacy.

  • [-]
  • sweds
  • 3 Points
  • 01:39:27, 11 March

Yes, but most of the time you can expect that people will not go out of their way to take unflattering pictures of you and post them on the internet as a permanent record for millions of people to see.

Ideally your actions would be the same in all circumstances, but that isn't always the case.

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  • themike314
  • 1 Points
  • 02:31:21, 11 March

You've never seen this, I assume?

  • [-]
  • sweds
  • 1 Points
  • 02:34:50, 11 March

Yes, I've seen that, and I would say generally the same thing. Although I think in Walmart a person has a lower expectation of the respect that they might receive from fellow shoppers than a player at a GP might expect from fellow players, though.

  • [-]
  • yoinker272
  • -2 Points
  • 01:49:13, 11 March

They know their ass is showing, and they don't respect their peers enough to do anything about it. Telling them won't do anything at all.

  • [-]
  • sweds
  • 2 Points
  • 01:53:26, 11 March

>They know their ass is showing,

They actually might not.

>and they don't respect their peers enough to do anything about it.

They actually might if someone asks them politely. It's a lot more disrespectful to take pictures of a person for the purpose of public shaming than it is to have one's asscrack be exposed, likely accidentally.

  • [-]
  • yoinker272
  • -2 Points
  • 02:06:47, 11 March

If your ass is hanging out of your pants, you know. Can you identify a single person in the pictures who's asscrack is showing? No worse than blurring someone's face when they don't consent to you putting them on TV after catching them do something embarassing and that is commonplace.

  • [-]
  • meatwhisper
  • 5 Points
  • 01:04:01, 11 March

It's "The People Of Wal Mart" syndrome. Might be funny at first until you realize these people are real people. It's about being a grown up, and it goes beyond saying "wear deodorant before you go to the tournament."

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  • yoinker272
  • -3 Points
  • 01:51:53, 11 March

I am aware that these people are real people...that don't respect their peers enough to pull up their pants. Your last sentance sends mixed messages about what you think the correct way to handle the situation is.

  • [-]
  • meatwhisper
  • 3 Points
  • 01:56:47, 11 March

I think it's okay to tell your buddy: "Dude, get a belt" or taking a friend aside and saying "you're getting a little stinky buddy, here use my pit stick..."

It's not okay to hunt down pictures of people at an event and post them online for upvotes and karma and make examples. That's not "education," that's thinking you're being cute.

  • [-]
  • yoinker272
  • -2 Points
  • 02:08:32, 11 March

Do you also think it is okay to be partially exposed at a 13+ event?

  • [-]
  • Drigr
  • 2 Points
  • 02:33:10, 11 March

If he wanted to bring the issue to light, it'd be in here, not /r/funny

  • [-]
  • mkfffe
  • 1 Points
  • 00:31:59, 11 March

This is sad. What is wrong with people?

  • [-]
  • IntrovertedPendulum
  • -3 Points
  • 01:03:22, 11 March

I'm not expert, but my guess is that they spend too much time on online communities where there is no interpersonal connection. As such, what most people would call "odd" gets to be the norm for them as they become desensitized to what most people would call "normal".

  • [-]
  • AceOfDrafts
  • 1 Points
  • 02:39:37, 11 March

The Ass Crack Bandit has been brought to justice.

  • [-]
  • nyconx
  • 1 Points
  • 02:59:17, 11 March

I find it funny how many people bashed the original poster but yet if it was their frontside private area that they were exposing rather then their backside everyone would be up in arms that the tournament organizers or WOTC didn't do anything about people exposing themselves with children present. Got to love the double standards of this community.

  • [-]
  • owlman84
  • -2 Points
  • 00:33:14, 11 March

This needs to be upvoted to the top. That asscrack post on the front page from /r/funny is disrespectful, and the comments suoports the stereotype that a vast majority of us are not.

  • [-]
  • yoinker272
  • 4 Points
  • 00:46:04, 11 March

That is disrespectful but not caring about the people around you enough to pull your pants up so as to not show private parts is...respectful?

  • [-]
  • owlman84
  • 2 Points
  • 01:28:27, 11 March

Never said it was. But bullying is not a way to fix the issue.

  • [-]
  • yoinker272
  • -3 Points
  • 01:50:02, 11 March

If you think this is bullying you had way too sheltered of a childhood.

  • [-]
  • mkfffe
  • 2 Points
  • 02:09:57, 11 March

Not thinking that this is a form of bullying shows a lack of understanding of what bullying is. If someone needs deodorant or to pull up their pants, tell them respectfully. It is awkward to do this, I know, but is the only way to correct the problem. Taking pictures without their knowledge or consent to post on the internet is childish at best and malicious at worst.

  • [-]
  • yoinker272
  • -3 Points
  • 02:11:41, 11 March

No one is identified in any of the pictures, please tell me how this is bullying. I could legally put more identifying pictures/videos of these people on TV and get less of an uproar.

  • [-]
  • FishLampClock
  • -1 Points
  • 00:37:33, 11 March

the top post is hilarious. i am a serious and dedicated player and i am thin and do not show my crack when i sit down. regardless that post was freaking hilarious. the mtg community should lighten up. no need to get upset at a post of what 16 some odd pics when there was 4300+ people there...in statistics that sample population is no where representative of the whole.

  • [-]
  • mtd14
  • 4 Points
  • 00:42:21, 11 March

It doesn't matter if we think the community is different, the outside opinion of the community is very relevant. Many people will never go to a MTG event, and all they will know about the community is what they read or see, so this will only reinforce their negative stereotyping. Example

  • [-]
  • [deleted]
  • 1 Points
  • 00:52:29, 11 March

I'd rather they think of us as unfastidious fatties than unsmiling fannies with poor senses of humor.

Do you people know no joy?

  • [-]
  • mtd14
  • 2 Points
  • 00:55:27, 11 March

Why can't we be joyful and healthy? All I'm saying is our community needs to put its best foot forward because it is not getting judged based on experience, it is getting judged based on word of mouth.

  • [-]
  • flappinginthewind
  • 1 Points
  • 01:08:33, 11 March

>Many people will never go to a MTG event

So why is their opinion so relevant?

  • [-]
  • centira
  • 1 Points
  • 02:01:52, 11 March

Versus skateboarders, dancers, photographers, and other various hobbies, how much do you talk about Magic to non-Magic people? If people at work or school are talking about their weekend, other hobbyists are usually proud to say they went skating, took some cool sunrise photos, etc. Do you say you went to a Magic tournament? Unlikely, probably due to the negative social stigma that Magic players get on a regular basis because of posts like these.

  • [-]
  • owlman84
  • 2 Points
  • 01:27:32, 11 March

Perception and statistics are not the same.

  • [-]
  • themike314
  • 2 Points
  • 02:24:05, 11 March

Why is this so controversial? Magic has already printed a card on this very subject!

  • [-]
  • [deleted]
  • -9 Points
  • 00:33:48, 11 March

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  • [-]
  • Vomiting_Winter
  • -1 Points
  • 01:53:18, 11 March

lol

  • [-]
  • jjness
  • -4 Points
  • 01:21:22, 11 March

Hey /r/magictcg

Scope out /r/loseit, /r/fitness, and /r/malefashionadvice (or the female equivalent.

We're better than this as a whole.

  • [-]
  • RumZ512
  • 1 Points
  • 01:26:33, 11 March

As much as I don't like the post, and I think it's awful, typically the people who will go out of their way to do this sort of thing aren't the same people in these pictures, so you're going to end up preaching to the choir. It's the same way when you tell people to mind their hygiene. I left a store permanently because it just smelt terrible, and the same store is struggling to launch events because of a few bad apples.

  • [-]
  • OrpheusV
  • 0 Points
  • 02:11:26, 11 March

Keep in mind, I think if WotC does decide to try and ban this guy, they need to look at intent. I get that the guy tried to point this out in a humorous manner, but this wasn't the right way to do it. Inform, not punish.

What he did was wrong but a ban would be over the top I feel.

  • [-]
  • Tivrusky
  • 5 Points
  • 02:26:37, 11 March

I don't think intent is relevant here. He's being a bully, regardless of what he thought he was doing. Magic players shouldn't have to worry about this type of thing when they come to an event.

  • [-]
  • OrpheusV
  • 0 Points
  • 02:31:05, 11 March

On the contrary, intent is relevant. I think he intended to point this out, but didn't think it through as to what he was actually doing. I still think that bad things happening shouldn't entirely mean someone should be punished.

  • [-]
  • oraymw
  • -2 Points
  • 01:32:16, 11 March

In nature there's no blemish but the mind; None can be called deformed but the unkind.

  • [-]
  • instant_gator
  • -1 Points
  • 02:11:54, 11 March

Since when has failure to know how to wear a belt been considered "harrassing behavior"?

  • [-]
  • Cap_Had
  • 3 Points
  • 02:46:26, 11 March

That's not the harassing behavior. The harassment was from the guy who decided to mock them and post their pictures on reddit.

  • [-]
  • professorberrynibble
  • -1 Points
  • 02:32:04, 11 March

Seems appropriate to me; see an ass, act as one.

Magic-playing monkey see, magic-playing monkey do.

  • [-]
  • Vomiting_Winter
  • -4 Points
  • 01:48:44, 11 March

I find the enormous amount of exposed hairy asses disrespectful and harassing.

Dude wanted to get a laugh, it was a comical reminder that people shouldn't leave their asses hanging out; if he gets banned, I'd be pissed.

  • [-]
  • fredwilsonn
  • 3 Points
  • 02:20:19, 11 March

He was banned.