RIP in peace Werster (twitch.tv)

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479 ups - 69 downs = 410 votes

306 comments submitted at 16:26:34 on Nov 20, 2013 by Skull64

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  • RenaKunisaki
  • 249 Points
  • 19:55:58, 20 November

I wish people could stop focusing on LOLFURRYDRAMA and just focus on the actual facts:

  • Horror is a shit mod who abuses his power; this has been an issue before (see EvilSnurDeeps) (yes this is a fact)
  • Cyghfer got all his emotes removed based on some takedown request from someone, for being "inappropriate" or for copyright issues. I can't comment on that because I don't know what the emotes in question were or how that relates to the rest of the issue. (Were they furry emotes too? Apparently one of them is shown here: http://imgur.com/k7Awa7V)
  • Duke_Bilgewater got banned for joking about the origin of the NightLight emote in response to this. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZfHH2BCEAAstit.png
  • People got banned for just complaining about Horror in chats/streams
  • Peaches_ got banned for having "REMOVE HORROR" in his title. Another admin had forcibly changed it and warned him not to change it back. Someone later changed it to "horrible zombies". Peaches__ was then banned after going to bed.
  • ~~http://www.twitch.tv/profile/werster is a 404, i.e. the account was completely removed~~ (EDIT: correct URL is http://www.twitch.tv/werster/profile - notice the swapped words - which also redirects to TOS violation page.)
  • http://www.twitch.tv/werster/ reads "The community has closed this channel due to terms of service violations.", i.e. the channel itself was shut down; it's not (only) an IP ban. It's apparently back up now, loading in some browsers but not others, which is probably a cache issue. Edit: down again, in all browsers now.
  • Werster apparently actually made a living off his subscriber money, so to have his channel shut down is more than a minor annoyance. It's effectively equivalent to being fired from your job for complaining about something stupid a manager did.
  • Longer explanation at http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=LLUNmnUN (new URL)
  • The NightLight emote has now been removed
  • Werster's channel was back for a moment, and chat was displaying a message: "You must Facebook Connect to send messages to this channel. You can Facebook Connect in your twitch settings under the connections tab." i.e. requiring you to link your Twitch account with Facebook to be able to chat i.e. giving Twitch a fuckton of your personal information i.e. RIP Twitch.
  • /r/gaming mods are nazis and deleted every single comment in the other thread so I reposted this here.
  • FrankerFaceZ added peach emotes which may or may not be related to Peaches__' ban.
  • Cruxit was just banned (not surprising): http://imgur.com/zuEuis9 - notice subs mode despite not having subs (you can do this to your own channel but why)
  • Twitch admins are now going into every channel that supports the anti-Horror movement, turning subscriber-only mode on (in channels that don't have subscribers), and then nuking them. Dugongue has now been nuked and licensetobill is under attack. http://i.imgur.com/9cqRYST.png http://i.imgur.com/z3fOaAi.png http://i.imgur.com/bs7gtB6.png
  • Licensetobill's chat is now in perma-subs-only mode and admins are bitching at him because he got raided http://i.imgur.com/toiXFhc.png http://i.imgur.com/HX2cJLr.png Meanwhile Horror still doesn't believe in censorship http://i.imgur.com/uEmsIu7.png
  • I can't keep up with all this drama, so many screenshots to crop
  • https://twitter.com/TwichTVSupport/status/403062887008067584 Notice the name, this is NOT Twitch's real account.
  • ChalkedJanitor is banned: http://i.imgur.com/NHsB5Qf.jpg
  • I'm also hearing JesusFromTheBible, PoodleSkirt and SlayerOfBabies got banned.
  • Adam_AK is refusing to stream until this is fixed. http://i.imgur.com/AvrKcua.png
  • Someone is now banning anyone who posts links/info in http://www.twitch.tv/zodiacsmash
  • elponchogrande is now banned: http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/1765/9rkw.png
  • zeldalove is now banned: http://imgur.com/u56Deii https://images.4chan.org/vg/src/1384986720930.png
  • Twitch is now down for maintenance, although stream pages and chats are still working if you don't refresh. http://i.imgur.com/4ijeqmK.png
    • "Site is undergoing maintenance. If you're already connected (logged in), you should be fine."
    • Maintenance #1 complete. We will run another short maintenance at approx 4p PST.
  • squidd__ was just banned by Kanthes, who refused to explain how exactly his title was a form of harassment. Screenshots here: http://imgur.com/a/cNeYm - notice the part where he asks the admin for an explanation and never gets it.
  • qwerty1605 is now nuked, screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/tptuX
  • Reddit keeps reverting my post to older versions when I try to edit.
  • https://i1.minus.com/i2aFIu2Ro7TQl.png updated image summary. I didn't make this.
  • RIP SnowyV2: http://i.imgur.com/7fGsshu.png http://i.imgur.com/UsXHtLJ.png
    • Better screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/v6NqGMg.jpg showing again asking to explain how the title is harassing anyone and getting no response
  • RIP cptpoopfist: http://i.imgur.com/3e4rNhe.png
  • RIP spahcrab_: http://i.imgur.com/qoplgUr.png
  • Werster's channel is loading again and he's speaking in chat, but it's still stuck in Facebook mode, and his sub button is gone. http://i.imgur.com/AuxoLkS.png
    • Even if I were willing to use Facebook I would never give Twitch access to so much personal info. Fuck that shit.
  • Now hearing timesthelegallimit got banned even though he complied with the demand to change his title.
  • RIP rilagin, though it took having REMOVE HORROR in the title and streaming porn for a while, lol.
  • Werster is getting shit reinstated, but his chat is currently still full of suckups and an admin who appears to still be banning anyone who complains http://i.imgur.com/QDc8ygw.png
  • RIP Xkeeper_, went down in a blaze of glory. http://imgur.com/a/5SISd
  • Abahbob was forced to shut down his stream, and everyone in chat was timed out for some reason: http://imgur.com/a/6UP4D
  • http://imgur.com/cEF8e1a This happened, but it looks like a troll, and not an actual deleted post. Time will tell.
  • http://imgur.com/t5RiV3Y This is GOLD. They're now asking the Reddit admins to nuke this thread too and admitting it's censorship. http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/489706Twitchcensorship1.jpg http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/399013Butthatgeniuscallsitcencorship.jpg
  • RIP spahcrab_ http://i.imgur.com/HoDFUXO.png
  • C0urtney admits that, despite taking part in banning people for complaining about Horror, she has no fucking idea why people are complaining: http://i.imgur.com/SOBtsGA.png
  • 71% agree that Horror was out of line: http://i.imgur.com/rOlRttA.png
  • Admin C0urtney is in Abahbob's chat replying to people in an extremely robotic fashion. Nobody's been able to confirm she's not a robot. http://imgur.com/usbZHzu She doesn't respond to anything said in stream, only in chat. She suggests we all go purchase support to complain: http://i.imgur.com/usbZHzu.png
  • Werster was NOT banned again, his computer just crashed.
  • Thanks to everyone PMing me these shots, this has spread too far for me to keep track of on my own.
  • For those wondering, going to /tosviolation on a non-banned channel does NOT show the "channel closed" message. Try it on http://www.twitch.tv/cosmowright/tosviolation - you just get the stream page. So no, Werster is not unbanned.

I'm not even sure where the whole furry thing even comes from (NightLight came from porn? who cares) but it's really just distracting from the issue that Horror has no place being admin.

I'll keep editing this post as I learn more.

Also since everything in the other thread was deleted I'll link the screenshots I posted there too:

http://i.imgur.com/em6v1RR.png "More "damage control" on Twitter"

http://i.imgur.com/G31ATTe.png "oh my god"

http://i.imgur.com/7nwYl4u.png "and yes, Leo is his BF"

http://i.imgur.com/XVZH2zp.jpg Werster's channel loading in Chromium but not Firefox

unfortunately I can't recover anyone else's posts. But /u/Sharun can: http://i.imgur.com/s7YZbSE.png and I can't type.

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  • notashin
  • 19 Points
  • 20:20:13, 20 November

Just want to point out that peaches DID NOT change his stream title back.

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  • Nightfirecat
  • 8 Points
  • 22:03:18, 20 November

From what I know, the story was that he was told to change his title by an admin, but didn't see the chat because (surprise, surprise) he was paying attention to his speedrun, and then the same admin said later in chat that it was changed, and not to change it back.

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  • RenaKunisaki
  • 5 Points
  • 20:25:35, 20 November

Oh god dammit, I had corrected that, but looks like the post I was able to recover was an older version.

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  • TheMvn
  • 57 Points
  • 23:52:57, 20 November

I warned JTV co founder Kyle about Horror years ago when Horror was made Admin (I was a JTV Admin at the time.) I more or less said whoever pulled the trigger to make Horror an Admin has their head up their ass and needs to be removed. I ended up being banned by Kyle, stripping of my Admin Status and removal of the Vaughn Chat Bot due to me saying that.

It absolutely disgusts me that Horror is allowed to do this to the Twitch community.

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  • vegetaman
  • 11 Points
  • 01:21:57, 21 November

Just like business. Assholes get ahead. Drama ensues. Nothing changes. :/

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  • vegetaman
  • 1 Points
  • 02:26:40, 21 November

I take that back. Good people get discouraged, and thus sometimes leave. :(

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  • reykaveykaveyk
  • 9 Points
  • 01:37:16, 21 November

Well at least good on you for making Vaughn. I loved him when he was alive. rip

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  • TheMvn
  • 4 Points
  • 01:39:52, 21 November

He lives on at his own live video streaming sites: http://instagib.tv and http://vaughnlive.tv

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  • nsocks4
  • 17 Points
  • 20:08:13, 20 November

Links to a few of the posts: /r/gaming: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1r2mpx/speedrunnersaregettingbannedontwitchfor/ Actually talks to a mod on this one and he said it was removed to avoid witch-hunts. /r/Twitch http://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/1r2w9g/speedrunnersaregettingbannedontwitchfor/ Admin in this thread getting mad about it before removing the post.

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  • RenaKunisaki
  • 3 Points
  • 20:15:29, 20 November

I see only deleted comments on the first link.

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  • Sharun
  • 7 Points
  • 21:21:49, 20 November

Here's what the first link looked like before it got wiped: http://i.imgur.com/s7YZbSE.png

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  • nsocks4
  • 2 Points
  • 20:37:13, 20 November

The comments stand in the second post. But the post has been removed. First post was removed and comments were deleted.

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  • gazelle_vs_antelope
  • 36 Points
  • 21:08:06, 20 November

> The community has closed this channel due to terms of service violations.

"The community," yeah right.

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  • vegetaman
  • 14 Points
  • 01:21:18, 21 November

A "community" decision in the same way "Big Brother" is actually your relative...

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  • Eliterubberduck
  • 12 Points
  • 21:29:09, 20 November

Here's a picture from an admin(MSgtGunny) on the ChalkedJanitor ban.

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  • Kai_973
  • -3 Points
  • 21:38:58, 20 November

Problem here is he was given clear-cut terms that weren't unreasonable, and he didn't comply. I don't see that channel coming back. From my understanding of Werster's situation, he was banned because he spoke bluntly to a sensitive person. Complete overkill response.

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  • mindbleach
  • 1 Points
  • 02:33:44, 21 November

How are those terms reasonable? Censoring protest is bullshit whether it's in real life or on some silly video game site. Calling out bad moderators for bad moderation is the only way admins will ever figure out they're being manipulated by some thin-skinned asshole.

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  • malignantlyuseless
  • 10 Points
  • 01:38:08, 21 November

Well this explains the /r/gaming thing.

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  • ShinoKat
  • 8 Points
  • 21:33:42, 20 November

http://shinokat.imgur.com/all/ I have some screen shots of the chats/streams as they were being taken down or right after. The one of chalkedjanitor's stream is flat out Nazi SS.

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  • snowleave
  • 4 Points
  • 00:16:26, 21 November

http://www.twitch.tv/rilagin currently poking the admin bear be ready to add him to the list of banned

Edit: picture for the album when he gets banned http://i.imgur.com/xHNWppU.png

Edit2: http://www.twitch.tv/summeraino poking the admins http://i.imgur.com/Dyph7HZ.png

Edit3 Rilagin BANNED: http://imgur.com/rr8fRTH

Edit:4 werster unbanned http://i.imgur.com/QDc8ygw.png

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  • v2throwaway
  • 4 Points
  • 02:13:17, 21 November

My first account got banned (that being spahcrab_), but I made two more since then that also got banned. However, they got shut down within minutes (these being iwasspahcrab and iamthespahcrab).

Bitches be hatin' on mah Desert Bus.

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  • RenaKunisaki
  • 1 Points
  • 02:19:21, 21 November

Did you get screenshots?

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  • v2throwaway
  • 1 Points
  • 02:29:29, 21 November

Not of the chats, but I do have the generic "account suspended" emails.

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  • RenaKunisaki
  • 1 Points
  • 02:33:31, 21 November

That's good too.

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  • v2throwaway
  • 1 Points
  • 02:39:12, 21 November

http://i.imgur.com/HoDFUXO.png

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  • Blagho
  • 3 Points
  • 00:06:55, 21 November

ElPonchogrande was just ban for his stream for being RemoveHorror Proof

http://www.twitch.tv/elponchogrande/tos_violation

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  • linkkb
  • 3 Points
  • 00:13:11, 21 November

more bans - http://www.twitch.tv/spahcrab/tosviolation

screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/qoplgUr.png

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  • vegetaman
  • 4 Points
  • 02:29:28, 21 November

> This is GOLD. They're now asking the Reddit admins to nuke this thread too and admitting it's censorship.

You know, it's sad -- for all the talk us younger folk have on the internet about censorship and how it is bad when corporations and the government does it (and yes, it IS bad), we can't even see when we're being hypocritical bastards and trying to promote our own censorship -- just like in the screenshot for that comment. The irony is strong. "It's the best way to deal with it." Yeah, that's the same line of bullshit the government and industry tows for invading your privacy and dropping censorship on society, too. Never forget that. Covering something up doesn't make anything better at all. In fact, it is fucking reprehensible on it's face, and is utterly inexcusable. And shame on reddit's mods if they join in on 'cleaning up' and whitewashing this one.

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  • lanster77
  • 5 Points
  • 23:54:59, 20 November

wonderful post with lots of information, 10/10 good job

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  • Patashu
  • 2 Points
  • 01:51:26, 21 November

Minor correction - dan_salvato added the peaches emotes about 1:30:00 into his stream, after his stream title was changed to not have remove horror in it anymore.

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  • CyberKitsune
  • 3 Points
  • 20:21:36, 20 November

To be fair if I called out an admin on any other site I would be banned for some time too. It doesn't justify any of this, but it would still happen.

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  • RenaKunisaki
  • 9 Points
  • 20:24:05, 20 November

I don't think most sites would permaban you for it, especially on the first offence. If they do, that just shows they're not worth being on.

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  • mindbleach
  • 3 Points
  • 02:47:41, 21 November

I'm pretty sure I could talk shit about alienth all day and he'd just tell me to shut up. Nobody's doxxing or committing libel here - they're just registering sensible complaints about the behavior of moderators on a site they rely on.

And then those moderators prove them right by censoring and banning them.

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  • RightToBearArmsLOL
  • 2 Points
  • 02:20:54, 21 November

RenaKunisaki's post > > Longer explanation at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hy1LMOgO7Pd0HpG-0zE-VC0gjgjuyhczw_EDSBKWpIA/edit [6]

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=LLUNmnUN (when I clicked this link it said it was going to be removed, so I just copy pasta)

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  • mindbleach
  • 2 Points
  • 02:21:51, 21 November

What the everloving fuck.

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  • eesnamdoow
  • 1 Points
  • 02:44:07, 21 November

the link to google drive doesnt work

  • [-]
  • RenaKunisaki
  • 1 Points
  • 02:46:34, 21 November

Fixed, hopefully.

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  • Flyingkillerbees
  • 1 Points
  • 02:46:22, 21 November

Werster possibly got banned again

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  • RenaKunisaki
  • 1 Points
  • 02:48:26, 21 November

His computer crashed. I don't know why he hasn't gone live again though. Maybe he just doesn't want to.

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  • ShR3dDr9000
  • 2 Points
  • 02:33:20, 21 November

courtney is a male, fyi

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  • mystakin
  • -8 Points
  • 21:04:34, 20 November

>just focus on the actual facts:

>Horror is a shit mod who abuses his power

Damn, that's the fastest shift from facts to blatant opinion I've ever seen.

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  • Dynamiklol
  • 1 Points
  • 02:03:24, 21 November

Half of it was opinion. It's a well known fact that he abuses his power. His job as a moderator/admin is debatable amongst the masses.

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  • tawayokay
  • 0 Points
  • 01:58:19, 21 November

Welcome to reddit man.

Hey look you're getting downvoted because people disagree with you lol!!!

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  • mystakin
  • 2 Points
  • 02:12:08, 21 November

It baffles me that people think downvoting serves any purpose other than silencing opinions.

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  • MrCheeze
  • -8 Points
  • 21:21:20, 20 November

From the google doc:

>And just to clarify, nobody, including myself, is hating on Horror for being gay or for being a furry.

This was quite clearly false, for those who were there.

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  • BrokenTinker
  • 6 Points
  • 23:37:21, 20 November

Clearly you weren't there.

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  • bradamantium92
  • -8 Points
  • 22:15:29, 20 November

~~Everyone who wants some realtime discussion on this should tune in to Mofat:~~ http://www.twitch.tv/zodiacsmash?utmcampaign=liveembedclick&utmsource=speedrunslive.com

EDIT: He gave up. Chat got too big and too angry.

One note, stuff like: >Horror is a shit mod who abuses his power; this has been an issue before (see EvilSnurDeeps) (yes this is a fact)

Needs to be cut out. The masses (ie, speedrun fans, NOT speedrunners) need to bug out of this conversation and let the people it's really, really affecting hash this out and deal with this. There's a lot of real gross, homophobic, even (I can't believe I'm saying this) furphobic backlash that's not helping the situation, just vindicating guys like Horror.

Horror needs taken care of, that's for sure. Silly internet justice isn't going to do that, and Twitch users going down in a blaze of martyr glory aren't helping anyone. Keep your heads screwed on folks, and let the people most directly impacted speak about it.

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  • Wizhi
  • 9 Points
  • 23:09:13, 20 November

> The masses (ie, speedrun fans, NOT speedrunners) need to bug out of this conversation and let the people it's really, really affecting hash this out and deal with this.

So you're saying that we, as the people watching - and paying for - these streams, have nothing at all to say? What kind of view is that?

> Horror needs taken care of, that's for sure. Silly internet justice isn't going to do that, and Twitch users going down in a blaze of martyr glory aren't helping anyone.

I agree that the people bashing the guy for his personal life are way out, and should just stop. These so called "martyrs" however, do indeed prove a point: the TwitchTV staff is not exactly as professional as it should be expected. Least of all Horror.

EDIT: I did a typo that changed the meaning of a sentence completely.

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  • bradamantium92
  • 4 Points
  • 23:40:19, 20 November

We're talking less than a dozen speedrunners. Do you really think Twitch cares about whatever users they'll lose from that in the grand scheme?

And no, I don't think the viewers should be taking the fight to Horror, because a lot of them are doing it very wrong. They're hurting more than helping by effectively proving the point that Twitch is defending one of their own from bad people. That's not how thos started out, but it's how this is ending up and THAT'S what Twitch as an entity will bring to the forefront here.