Proposal: Set meta to private, allow people in after two months from expressing interest (with obvious exceptions) (self.metanarchism)

metanarchism

15 ups - 11 downs = 4 votes

Infoshops and other anarchist collectives are often closed and have probationary periods for new members. It is absolutely not unanarchistic, and anyone who thinks so should familiarize themselves with how Anarchists actually organize in meatspace. It is a simple freedom of association. It can remain inclusive, based on a very simple guideline you must show genuine interest in /r/meta and retain that.

Perhaps this is a last ditch appeal to process and trying to make our little student council shit we have here work. This sub demands a very simple remedy to the shitlord subversion that's happened recently.

Nothing else needs to change for now. This is only a solidifying of what we've discussed already, about who gets to vote and when. Obvious exceptions are when people come back (as I did, as skobr did, etc).

There's an obvious question to how people can't appeal their own ban in meta. The simple remedy is state their case in modmail (which can remain public), perhaps when proposing bans, just copypasta the proposal in modmail.

Object all you like, considering the current state of things, I'll be astonished if this passes, but keep telling yourself that what we have at the moment even works.

78 comments submitted at 05:37:18 on Feb 26, 2013 by GhostofGus

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  • h8machine
  • 5 Points
  • 06:13:16, 26 February

Oppose! Horrible idea the main sub will completely bogged down with meta.. Conspiracy theories will abound and you will alienate about 80 percent of the subs. Start a new private sub with your crew if that's what you want. The postings in the main sub are why I am here and that will suffer.

And yes the main sub works fine

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  • GhostofGus
  • 1 Points
  • 06:23:37, 26 February

>Oppose! Horrible idea the main sub will completely bogged down with meta..

No, it won't. The majority of people in the main sub don't care about meta stuff. Also, meta stuff isn't for the main sub, it's for members with 2 months prior experience. We voted on this. Not every random just "gets" to be a community member.

>Conspiracy theories will abound and you will alienate about 80 percent of the subs.

Fuck the conspiracy theories. People already have plenty of those about /r/@ and the movement at large.

No one is "alienated". It's a simple act of collectivization and free-association. If they want to be a part of the community, they can express interest and contribute to the community for 2 months, which is already the fucking policy that we voted on.

>Start a new private sub with your crew if that's what you want

No. People invaded this place and have proceeded to completely shit it up. Quit burdening me to make room for racist shitlords like jaki_cold and disruptive socks like chastr.

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  • h8machine
  • 3 Points
  • 06:29:34, 26 February

No offense but every time you talk you are the one using abusive language and putting people down. I think people like you are the problem

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  • seankealiher
  • 2 Points
  • 06:36:43, 26 February

Oh shutup.

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  • h8machine
  • 7 Points
  • 06:40:05, 26 February

So your turning this into a good old boys club.

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  • seankealiher
  • 1 Points
  • 06:42:29, 26 February

A boys club? wow thanks for erasing my trans* identity asshole.

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  • h8machine
  • 6 Points
  • 06:49:15, 26 February

My point is you are becoming what you hate by telling people to shut up an gtfo and no label can protect you from that

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  • GhostofGus
  • 2 Points
  • 07:30:30, 26 February

Excuse me? When did gender expression become a fucking label?

That's absolutely cissexist, to minimize gender identity and use their struggle against them. To say they're using their trans* identity to derail you, when they were absolutely correct to object to your misgendering of them, is some reactionary bullshit. It's not some fucking privilege granted to you.

When you misgender someone, and they correct you, the anarchist thing to do is simply apologize and either refer to them with gender neutral pronouns or ask them if they have a preference. Not accuse them of using their identity to "protect" themselves.

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  • h8machine
  • 3 Points
  • 07:46:08, 26 February

I was going to originally say golf club but that could have been misconstrued. So I said the first word for old school hiarchy vip club with privilege because that is how your behaving. I really don't care what gender you are or identify with because that was obviously not my point. But feel free to vent your emotions to me if that will make you feel better. I know you are a better person than me because you have told me with your oppressive language. So I bow humbly before you begging for forgiveness master please don't verbally abuse me any more.

And you labeled yourself not me... I just acknowledged it

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  • GhostofGus
  • 2 Points
  • 07:56:07, 26 February

This is all one big giant derailment, but it's also full of more reactionaryism.

>I was going to originally say golf club but that could have been misconstrued. So I said the first word for old school hiarchy vip club with privilege because that is how your behaving. I really don't care what gender you are or identify with because that was obviously not my point.

Quit cissplaining. Quit exploiting privilege [IE "I don't care what gender you are or identify as, guess what, they're the same thing, and they care a lot about what gender they are, it's their struggle]. Quit making excuses.

>But feel free to vent your emotions to me if that will make you feel better.

I'm fine, thanks.

>I know you are a better person than me because you have told me with your oppressive language.

I have not been oppressive. You're being cissexist and I'm calling you out. This is reactionary.

>So I bow humbly before you begging for forgiveness master please don't verbally abuse me any more

False equivocation and an emotional appeal to actual slavery. Try again.

>And you labeled yourself not me... I just acknowledged it

No, they have a gender identity and an expression of that. That's not a label. Calling it a "label" is reducing gender identity to a choice, and further marginalizing an already marginalized group. That's cissexist and now you're attempting to place the burden of responsibility on them for speaking up against you.

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  • seankealiher
  • -1 Points
  • 06:50:08, 26 February

I don't hate folks who fight off oppressive shitheads.

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  • zgr8jakez
  • 4 Points
  • 06:52:06, 26 February

And the only way to do this is to become one... I really expected more from you

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  • seankealiher
  • 1 Points
  • 07:56:12, 26 February

Wait how am I being oppressive?

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  • GhostofGus
  • 1 Points
  • 06:41:09, 26 February

First of all, I am not being "abusive". If you can't handle discourse, then become a liberal, in which opinions become "rights", and aren't objectable, and are somehow immune from scrutiny.

I used to think the "more opinionated" people were a part of the problem. Then I realized I was a part of the problem. The same humility is explicitly needed in this cesspool of subconscious liberals.

Do you honestly think the current modus operandi works? That we should tolerate and make room in the community for the scum we've recently allowed in? This is a major subversion I think you should take a very critical look at. I encourage you to do so.

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  • h8machine
  • 5 Points
  • 06:43:47, 26 February

They think it's fine because they follow your lead on how to treat people. You have created your own monster.

I handle discourse just fine but name calling should not be a anarchist talking point. And is really my only problem with this group

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  • GhostofGus
  • 1 Points
  • 07:04:41, 26 February

>They think it's fine because they follow your lead on how to treat people. You have created your own monster.

Not really. It's appealing to a completely different praxis. The current trolletarian vanguard doesn't sympathize with me. The people that do tend to have thicker skin, and frankly we've all been ripping out hair out at eachother at least once before.

The liberal subversion I speak of has created the monster that inevitably drove me away, and brought me back quite a different radical. I even deleted my IRC software and my account in an attempt to bring myself a period of deep reflection.

The liberal undertone around here (I use the word over and over again, because it is absolutely a part of the problem), is quite a monster indeed, that I fully acknowledge my previous hand in creating and enabling, although it's been here for some time. It's a monster that damn-near wrecked me, and ironically, a freaking internet forum with hierarchical software built into it, actually for the first time in 10 years, made me question my political beliefs. I came to realize, that the problem was indeed with me.

>I handle discourse just fine but name calling should not be a anarchist talking point. And is really my only problem with this group

I refrain from ageism and ableism, I don't even make appeals to those systems of oppression, even if certain people I respect reject the idea, I do not find it necessary to rely on those.

I do, however, make appeals to ideology, and even ideological idealism. If you rely on liberal principles, and call yourself an "anarchist", expect to be called out on such. If you're racist or a snitch, prepared to referred to as scum. This is the very black and white picture we paint under ideologies, and as an anarchist in an anarchist "space", such a worldview is absolutely necessary when identifying subversion.

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  • h8machine
  • 3 Points
  • 07:24:13, 26 February

I have never been accused of being a liberal before today.. but every time you lash out with a curse instead of a argument you feed the trolls by showing them emotion they know they have got to you. keep your head cool and your tongue sharp and you will eat trolls for dinner.

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  • GhostofGus
  • 0 Points
  • 07:39:53, 26 February

>I have never been accused of being a liberal before today.

Congratulations.

>but every time you lash out with a curse instead of a argument you feed the trolls by showing them emotion they know they have got to you.

I give zero fucks, frankly. No, they don't know how to "get to me" either. I'm not making emotional appeals at all, I'm making ideological appeals, and considering ideology is the unifying interest of this community, such appeals are very fair.

>keep your head cool and your tongue sharp and you will eat trolls for dinner.

I maintain constant mindfulness, a skill I've honed well. I know how to deal with trolls.

Can you please make direct responses, as I am? Instead of saying the same thing over and over again? You're derailing, and it's a tad bit annoying.

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  • h8machine
  • 1 Points
  • 07:59:47, 26 February

I thought a 3 sentence reply to a six paragraph response was direct enough.

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  • GhostofGus
  • 0 Points
  • 08:03:16, 26 February

Absolutely not, it's derailment, because you don't have an argument.

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  • chastr
  • 3 Points
  • 07:21:53, 26 February

You left out the part about the purity and essence of our natural... fluids.