[Meme]Sorry Ladies, it has to be said. (x-post from r/AdviceAnimals) (i.imgur.com)

{teenagers}

83 ups - 35 downs = 48 votes

74 comments submitted at 01:53:24 on Feb 27, 2013 by guy1013

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  • cartoons4ever
  • 6 Points
  • 04:27:00, 27 February

I wonder what the world would be like if girls were always trying to glance at our penis...

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  • lizardjoel
  • -3 Points
  • 04:52:01, 27 February

you mean that's not normal, crap maybe I should've got size reduction!

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  • cartoons4ever
  • 2 Points
  • 05:33:38, 27 February

You're so fucking cool, bro

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  • lizardjoel
  • 1 Points
  • 05:46:27, 27 February

lol it was a joke, didn't mean to piss others off.

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  • theecakee
  • 11 Points
  • 03:22:17, 27 February

The worst thing ever is when there is a word on their butt, and I try to read the word and look like a pervert for doing so.

Then usually the word is something stupid as fuck like "CHEER!" or "LOVE!".

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  • Paluzzer
  • 7 Points
  • 04:21:32, 27 February

PINK

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  • LfromDeathNoteNEO
  • 4 Points
  • 04:35:01, 27 February

I was at Walmart earlier and I saw someone wearing a pair that said "KISS ME"

why

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  • laurenilyse
  • 9 Points
  • 03:19:35, 27 February

But that's one of the main reasons why us girls wear them. Who said we don't want you staring?

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  • Paluzzer
  • 2 Points
  • 04:21:01, 27 February

Who says we don't want to stare?

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  • BHendo
  • 0 Points
  • 05:14:10, 27 February

Who says we do want to stare?

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  • short_circuit3
  • 12 Points
  • 01:54:18, 27 February

This. This is so true.

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  • dawgsfan1
  • 6 Points
  • 04:35:57, 27 February

You my friend have started a wildfire. Hell hath no fury like a woman's scorn.

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  • kirbias
  • -1 Points
  • 03:41:18, 27 February

Actually, no, it isn't.

When I wake up in the morning, I'm thinking about what will make me look and feel good- for myself, not for anybody else. Sometimes it's a dress. Sometimes it's a pair of yoga pants. Most of the time it's jeans and a sweater, but I reserve the right to make that choice for me and me alone. And yes: some girls do dress to impress others and that is also okay. But you should never blame a girl for your actions- she didn't invite you to stare at her ass or her boobs or any other part of her, and that action was yours and yours alone (obviously there's a difference between looking and staring).

You're a 13-year-old boy, so I'm assuming you don't know what it feels like to be objectified. Let's say you're walking around downtown. Some old woman you've never met drives by you, whistling and catcalling at you as she passes. Even though you really haven't done anything wrong, you can't help but feel ashamed and guilty. This is only affirmed when you try to tell someone about it: the first questions out of their mouth will inevitably try to pin the blame on you- were you wearing those skinny jeans, were you walking alone, were you in a bad part of town? And when you say yes, they'll nod knowingly and tell you to take better care of yourself next time- even though that woman is entirely responsible. Next time you go out you'll wear a pair of baggy pants that make you feel lumpy and gross but hey, at least you'll be free from catcallers, right?

So when you tell me it's "so true" that you just can't help but look at that girl's ass, I'm worried. Sure, we all know that objectification is bad, but our society places the blame on the victim rather than the aggressor (how could he help it when she was dressed in that short skirt?). And look: you're a 13 year old boy. You're going to want to look at people and you're probably going to want sex. That's normal and okay. But you need to recognize that people aren't there to be objects of your desire and it's absolutely not fine to blame them for your actions. Nothing gives you the invitation or right to stare at anybody's ass unless they have given you the explicit permission to do so, yoga pants included.

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  • DarkHeroes5
  • 5 Points
  • 03:54:29, 27 February

That is so true, that was the thing i loved about my Ex girlfriend, she didn't care what people thought about what she wore, she picked it because she and she alone liked it.

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  • xMGMT
  • 2 Points
  • 05:24:59, 27 February

It may not be socially acceptable, but in public everyone has the right to stare at anyone's ass, you don't need "explicit permission." There is no privacy in public, sorry, this is why you can also be filmed in public. I'm not saying it's right to do this, but everyone does have the right to do it.

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  • lizardjoel
  • 3 Points
  • 03:54:06, 27 February

damn, I'm sorry but that is some serious feminist brainwashing that happened to you....

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  • DharmaCub
  • 1 Points
  • 04:45:45, 27 February

You realize that feminism is not some holier-than-thou movement that says that women are better than men or some bullshit like that, right? Feminism literally means equality for men and women. Frankly, identifying ones self as a feminist should be a normal thing and being a misogynist should be a badge of shame.

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  • lizardjoel
  • 4 Points
  • 04:48:49, 27 February

no, egalitarianism literally means equality for men and women, feminism means to help women literally, while I think in many countries its needed, I don't think it is anymore in the USA.

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  • DharmaCub
  • 2 Points
  • 05:13:25, 27 February

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

First sentence says "equality for women" implying they would be equal with men, unless there is another gender I am unaware of.

I think you're grossly misinformed and ingorant if you believe feminism is not necessary in the US. Not only would that mean you support a patriarchy in which women are not equal, it also implies a severe misunderstanding of basic politics and genderbased economics.

Firstly, in the United States, women on average make 82% of what a similarly qualified man in the same position would make. Not only is this incredibly sexist, but it also causes large issues in communities where the majority of children have single mothers who are paid significantly less than their male counterparts. (Source: http://usatoday.com/article/news/1652511)

Secondly, the arguement over women's health coverage. I'm not even going to touch upon abortion due to it being such a touchy subject, but the United States believes it has the right to regulate women's health issues such as contraceptives. Viagra ( the only use of which is to get an erection) is covered by healthcare, yet birth control (which helps with countless actual health issues not to mention protect against pregnancy in the case of rape) is not. (Source for other effects of birth control http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinedoralcontraceptivepill#section1)

Thirdly, rape. America teaches "Don't get raped" instead of teaching "Don't rape." If a girl is raped because she was too drunk to say no, popular opinion(atleast by males) seems to indicate that it was her fault for getting so drunk. If a girl is wearing slightly provacative clothing, it's her fault for inviting it on herself. America has a very misogynistic voew of women to the point where the media shows them as either dumb and pretty or smart and ugly because of course they can't be both. Of course there are exceptions, but we are being raised in an age of ignorance right in the center of the age of information. Misogyny is rampant around the country and you are helping perpetuate it.

(Source on rape victem blaming: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RapeintheUnitedStates#section_5)

Feminism is always relevent. So are facts.

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  • lizardjoel
  • 1 Points
  • 05:38:59, 27 February

Firstly, women make less because on average they work less hours.

Secondly viagra Is NOT covered by medi care http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110305151907AAJpvMF

Thirdly this is a company and they are in general greedy assholes, also screw VAWA, why not have a violance against everyone act?

While feminism may be relevant in some issues in most its not.

I'll consider giving away free birth control once its not legal and common to cut baby foreskins off with no consent or anesthesia.

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  • DharmaCub
  • 0 Points
  • 05:52:04, 27 February

I'd like to see a source for the first point and a source that ian't yahoo answers for the second. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/01/26/birth-control-lawsuitsn2559773.html <--- it should look something like this.

Edit: Oh hey! Look! More facts! http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/27/health/aap-circumcision-recommendation

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  • lizardjoel
  • 1 Points
  • 05:55:41, 27 February

alright I'm on mobile now but in the morning I'll post links, and don't trash others sources after using Wikipedia please.

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  • kirbias
  • 0 Points
  • 04:00:16, 27 February

There's no need for "feminist brainwashing" when you've been objectified and harassed repeatedly for no reason at all other than having boobs. If you really don't believe that's a problem then I don't know what to say to you.

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  • lizardjoel
  • 4 Points
  • 04:21:12, 27 February

Sorry, but if your going to be in a building surrounded by hormone filled teenage guys wearing clothes that reveal everything than you should expect to be stared at, if I were to wear no shirt and if i had nice muscles than I shouldn't get mad if people look at me because that's ridiculous to expect.

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  • kirbias
  • 4 Points
  • 04:28:16, 27 February

If I were going to be in a building surrounded by hormone-filled teenage guys I would be expected to be treated with respect and dignity as a human being, no matter what clothes I wore.

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  • lizardjoel
  • 3 Points
  • 04:29:58, 27 February

No one is disrespecting you, just like if you think a guy is cute your not disrespecting hm.

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  • icanmake
  • 1 Points
  • 04:46:09, 27 February

Nobody said she was cute, they were staring at her in an objectifying manor. Somebody should be able to wear what they feel comfortable with (especially since the article of clothing we are discussing completely covers all skin) without having to be made uncomfortable by the actions of others. I know i'm "the only guy on the planet like this" but I would feel pretty disrespected and shitty if I went through life with girls staring at my privates with a hungry look. I would feel like an object, not a person, and nobody should have to be made to feel that way.

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  • kirbias
  • -1 Points
  • 04:58:38, 27 February

Thinking someone is cute is not in any way similar to what we're talking about.

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  • kinkyKMART
  • 0 Points
  • 05:22:37, 27 February

Im sorry but Lizard Im with you 100%. Its complete and under bullshit to go to ANYPLACE wearing clothes that clearly outline your ass and wearing a shirt where if you bend down someone can see everything and not expect to get stared out. Its not disrespecting you ,kirbiass if guys stare at you but 99.9% of guys would do the exact same thing. If you dont want to attract that kind of attention do something crazy and cover the fuck up.

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  • lizardjoel
  • 1 Points
  • 05:40:34, 27 February

thank you!

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  • Never-Told-A-Lie
  • 1 Points
  • 04:30:30, 27 February

Let's not assume now.

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  • Never-Told-A-Lie
  • 4 Points
  • 04:00:53, 27 February

>she didn't invite you to stare at her ass or her boobs or any other part of her, and that action was yours and yours alone.

I get this and your other points, but I understand how you wouldn't want to be objectified, I really do understand that. But saying that one as to have YOUR permission (Or any other girls permission for that matter) is nonsensical. Regardless of your sexual appearance I can look at your arse or endowments for all I want. Mind you I can LOOK. I'm in no manner physical engaged with them.

It's like a car salesman telling you that you can't look at the car till you buy it.

If you don't want a male or female (it's 2013, people like "new" things) to look at you in a sexual manner without physically interacting with you (Which causes no harm being looked at) then what makes you think you can look at my hair or penis without my "approval"?


tl:dr If you're a female I will most likely look at you in that manner before any interaction with you. It's a part of ones nature you nor any other person can change. So wear what you want and I have the freedom to look at whatever I want without even interacting with you. It's like a Taylor Swift having to approve me looking at her latest Instagram image...

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  • kirbias
  • -1 Points
  • 04:13:31, 27 February

I'm not saying not to look, I'm saying there's a big difference between looking and staring. > ...look at you in a sexual manner without physically interacting with you (Which causes no harm being looked at) then what makes you think you can look at my hair or penis?

No: you can't look at my ass or "endowments" for all you want. I'm a person with thoughts and feelings. If you can't understand that being objectified is not a pleasant experience and can cause emotional harm, walk around your school in a "provocative outfit" for one day. See how much fun it is. And again, there's a difference between looking and staring. >It's like a car salesman telling you that you can't look at the car till you buy it.

And so we've returned yet again to the inanimate object comparison.

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  • Never-Told-A-Lie
  • 4 Points
  • 04:20:19, 27 February

>And so we've returned yet again to the inanimate object comparison.

What I'm basically saying is shouldn't I be able to "check a girl out" or observe her in that matter, before asking her out on a date. I'm not "buying" her if that's what you thought.


Sorry for my confusion. I thought your majority rule of opinion was looking.

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  • lizardjoel
  • 1 Points
  • 04:24:02, 27 February

" walk around your school in a "provocative outfit" for one day. See how much fun it is" If your wearing a provocative outfit expect attention, you can't have your cake and eat it to.

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  • kirbias
  • -3 Points
  • 04:37:26, 27 February

You didn't miss the point so much as fly by it on a hang glider.

Some people feel entitled to treat women this way regardless of what we're wearing. As men are not commonly objectified in the same way, they'd have to wear a distinctly provocative outfit to understand what it's like to be sexualized in that manner.

Tell me: do you have any sisters? Any close female friends?

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  • lizardjoel
  • 2 Points
  • 04:40:53, 27 February

no sisters but a cousin and a bunch of friends, and believe it or not guys can get objectified also.

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  • kirbias
  • -3 Points
  • 04:56:57, 27 February

So, you have close female friends. If one of them were sexually assaulted, would you blame her or the attacker? What if she were wearing a short skirt and a low-cut top? Would she be to blame for someone else's lack of control?

Never once did I suggest that guys couldn't get objectified. I have many close male friends that have had struggles with body image, sexualization, etc. But that isn't what this discussion is about.

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  • lizardjoel
  • 3 Points
  • 04:58:49, 27 February

no I wouldn't blame them, but how the hell do you compare looking at someones ass to rape?

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  • kirbias
  • -3 Points
  • 05:12:42, 27 February

If you wouldn't blame your friend for being sexually assaulted, why would you blame a girl for being objectified and getting stared at? Why is it the girl's problem that she feels uncomfortable?

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  • Indiewiring
  • -4 Points
  • 04:09:58, 27 February

What the fuck. You are literally equating women to objects. Allow me to return the favour: You are a tool.

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  • Never-Told-A-Lie
  • 5 Points
  • 04:13:41, 27 February

How am I equating a woman to an object? Please quote a line that you find is prevalent towards your statement so I can elaborate more on it. I'm basically saying I have the rights as a male, hell as person to look at someone and/or to be sexually attracted towards someone without taking any physical nor vocal course of attraction.

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  • Indiewiring
  • -1 Points
  • 04:27:46, 27 February

Your sexual attraction isn't the problem. It's your sense of entitlement. A woman's appearance is not a fucking "car" that they're trying to sell to you.

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  • Never-Told-A-Lie
  • 4 Points
  • 04:33:21, 27 February

I'm not saying the appearance is the car. I'm relating the "Conversation" between me and the woman as the car. What I'm "buying" is the supposedly "Date" the "Car" is the Conversation.

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  • kinkyKMART
  • -3 Points
  • 05:27:51, 27 February

Its called a fucking metaphor. If you want to get into a man argument than how about you dont try to take everything we say literally in an attempt to make us look sexist, ok? Being sexist is wrong, and being wrong is for women

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  • Never-Told-A-Lie
  • 2 Points
  • 05:34:32, 27 February

> being wrong is for women

As a male you drew the line there.

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  • lizardjoel
  • 1 Points
  • 05:42:09, 27 February

yup, that made a possible up vote to a downvote.

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  • kirbias
  • -2 Points
  • 04:21:12, 27 February

It's right there, highlighted in giant blue block text. You literally could not have made it clearer. >It's like a car salesman telling you that you can't look at the car till you buy it.

You are comparing women to objects and to getting a girl (in whatever respect) as making the sale. Do you really not see what's wrong with that analogy?

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  • lizardjoel
  • 3 Points
  • 04:26:27, 27 February

no, he's comparing a girl to the salesman, not the car...

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  • kirbias
  • -2 Points
  • 04:50:06, 27 February

So the girl is the salesman and her body is the car. I don't see how that's much better.

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  • Never-Told-A-Lie
  • 2 Points
  • 04:28:31, 27 February

>You are comparing women to objects and to getting a girl (in whatever respect) as making the sale. Do you really not see what's wrong with that analogy?

I'm comparing the girl towards the salesman, not the car. In no matter would I compare a Female towards an object, because that would equate to Sexism and I am not trying to dip my feet in that water. The "sale" is the interaction between X & Y (X = Male / Y= Female).

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  • kirbias
  • -1 Points
  • 04:49:15, 27 February

>It's like a car salesman telling you that you can't look at the car till you buy it.

  • Girl = salesman
  • Girl's body = car
  • "Getting the girl"/"interaction" = buying the car

But no go ahead and tell me all about how you'd never compare women to objects

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  • Never-Told-A-Lie
  • 3 Points
  • 04:52:16, 27 February

Quote from my response to another user above.


>I'm not saying the appearance is the car. I'm relating the "Conversation" between me and the woman as the car. What I'm "buying" is the supposedly "Date" the "Car" is the Conversation.

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  • kirbias
  • 1 Points
  • 05:05:07, 27 February

>Regardless of your sexual appearance I can look at your arse or endowments for all I want. Mind you I can LOOK. I'm in no manner physical engaged with them. It's like a car salesman telling you that you can't look at the car till you buy it.

Seems pretty straightforward to me. Regardless of how you meant it, that is what it implies.

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  • xerovene
  • 2 Points
  • 04:56:00, 27 February

Okay, I really agree with... Some of this. First off, the guy who replied and called this "feminist brainwashing" is a massive douche. The idea that someone here in the 21st century and here on Reddit which is known for being incredibly liberal would call someone feminist and mean that as a BAD thing is RIDICULOUS. The idea that people exist who aren't feminists is pathetic, female and male alike. On the other hand, looking is pretty harmless. Actually cat-calling/whistling/harassing is a different matter due to the outdated societal view on it. Why is it bad? Guys need to stop being sexist dicks and women need to stop being offended by harmless things, but for them to not be harmless society needs to stop labeling the female as at fault.

TL;DR- feminism is a good thing, stop saying it with a negative connotation. Society needs to stop saying women are somehow at fault for being attractive when guys are sexist to them. Guys need to stop being sexist. Women need to stop being offended by harmless things, but those things will be harmful until the first thing happens.

Your body may brighten my day for half a second, and I thank you for that and apologize for any negative impact it has on your life.

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  • Greenmagic847
  • 2 Points
  • 05:11:53, 27 February

And now we've started a gender war.

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  • icanmake
  • 2 Points
  • 04:42:43, 27 February

A rare sight people, seeing somebody with actual sense on reddit.

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  • LfromDeathNoteNEO
  • -2 Points
  • 04:37:02, 27 February

/r/ShitRedditSays called; they wanted their you back

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  • Never-Told-A-Lie
  • 4 Points
  • 04:45:20, 27 February

Your comment gives no significance towards the conversation. Just telling you if you were wondering about the down-votes. Follow proper reddiquette.

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  • cheesemaster4lyfe
  • 15 Points
  • 02:05:37, 27 February

Sorry guys this has to be said

If you don't want me to hit you in the face you shouldn't say stupid things like this

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  • James_Rustler_
  • 3 Points
  • 05:31:56, 27 February

I'm a guy and I fully support you smacking any schmoe who says something like this.

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  • cheer427
  • 3 Points
  • 04:39:05, 27 February

When I wear yoga pants I know my ass looks good ok. What's annoying is when boys feel the need to comment on it and tell me my ass looks good. I don't care if you look just keep it to yourself.

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  • Broodd
  • 8 Points
  • 02:00:02, 27 February

Self control young padawan. It's not that hard.

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  • MegaPower124
  • 13 Points
  • 02:00:39, 27 February

It's moderately hard.

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  • Broodd
  • 8 Points
  • 02:03:04, 27 February

Not really. A glance is easily forgivable, but staring is not really excusable.

I appreciate a nice butt. I think most, if not, all, of us here do. Just catch yourself, and don't do it.

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  • illmakeyousquirtle
  • 4 Points
  • 03:30:47, 27 February

Most girls don't mind a quick glance. When guys start to stare, that's when it gets creepy.

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  • OfficialDanek
  • 1 Points
  • 05:09:10, 27 February

>I appreciate a nice butt

If a girl obviously works out her buttocks by either doing track or lunges, then to take a quick look should be considered alright and normal, what is the point of having nice features if others can't appreciate it for you owning them?

Human nature man, guys are attracted to fat squishy things (boobs, butts) and women are attracted to hard things (dick, abs).

I'll await the day where women want to see our boners, can you imagine how awesome that would be dude.

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  • hamberger58
  • 4 Points
  • 02:02:25, 27 February

No, it's not. This coming from a 16 year old guy.

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  • Anal_Torpedo
  • 1 Points
  • 05:54:15, 27 February

It's a half-chub.

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  • ilu2michael
  • 3 Points
  • 02:21:07, 27 February

"If you don't want me to stare at your boobs you shouldn't have been born a girl."

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  • icanmake
  • 4 Points
  • 04:48:46, 27 February

I'm not sure if I should upvote because you're sarcastic or downvote because you're serious...

Damn you, i'm so conflicted

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  • OfficialDanek
  • 0 Points
  • 05:09:56, 27 February

He's kidding, he's using the Al Gore Southpark meme reference.

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  • BHendo
  • 1 Points
  • 05:15:39, 27 February

They need to compensate for chinas losses this last quarter

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  • maytheodds
  • 0 Points
  • 04:51:18, 27 February

This is how victim blaming gets started :( Please understand that the girl is not asking for it, no matter what she wears.