/r/conservative discusses "Tranny Student": "mentally ill", "delusions" , "Just so people know, Conservatives don't think that transgendered people are 'mentally ill perverts'.", and mod says "Actually, most "transexuals" are mentally ill perverts." (self.SubredditDrama)
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307 ups - 133 downs = 174 votes
A transgender middle school student...what?
this middle school student decided to swap genders. middle school. what the fuck
This is why people don't vote for your candidates FYI
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458 comments submitted at 13:53:31 on Mar 7, 2014 by 75000_Tokkul
Yea. I'm gonna go ahead and start identifying as moderate from now on.
Probably not a bad idea. Right or wrong (right), if you identify as conservative this is how a lot of not-conservative people look at you
>this is how a lot of not-conservative people look at you
Yeah, and that's the not-conservative's fault for being prejudiced assholes with limited world views. Not mine.
Edit: Someone below has nagged me to refine the point I was making here, and they're probably right considering that my inbox is now blowing up. The point I was making is that to view all conservatives everywhere as being ideologically aligned with the very worst beliefs of the far right is just as close-minded and ignorant as those far-right beliefs. You're assuming prejudice exists just because someone skews a little farther right on the political spectrum than you, and that prejudice might not be there. I'm obviously not talking about all non-conservatives in that context, that would be an utterly ridiculous statement to make.
Did you get a degree in irony? Or... Are you really just not seeing what happened there?
No, you just didn't understand the point I was making.
People's complaint is that conservatives are narrow-minded and have limited world views. My point was that the person's statement is equally narrowminded and limited in world view because they fail to grasp the idea that not all conservatives are right wing nut jobs.
Do you understand now?
Edit: I'm hoping you connect the dots between those two sentences, but if reddit has taught me anything, it's that people suck at doing that. There are many conservatives that are perfectly open minded and reasonable, and to just assume that someone is a right wing nut job just because they are conservative is a narrow minded assumption.
But that isn't even what HE said, so I'm pretty sure I understand just fine.
He said A LOT OF PEOPLE look at conservatism as archaic and a little crazy. This is true.
What you just said was "That is the not-conservatives fault", which means that anyone who isn't conservative is now a prejudiced asshole with a limited worldview, which is of course something that a prejudiced asshole with a limited worldview would project onto everyone else... So, either you fumbled your point VERY BADLY, or you really just are not seeing what happened there.
> That is the not-conservatives fault", which means that anyone who isn't conservative is now a prejudiced asshole with a limited worldview, which is of course something that a prejudiced asshole with a limited worldview would project onto everyone else... S
That's not what I said. I said that people that exclusively view conservatives with that prejudice are being closed minded.
That is exactly how your original post reads, and anybody else who read it absolutely took it the same way. There is no other meaning to the post.
You said that it is the not-conservative's fault for being narrow-minded. That does not imply "people who exclusively view conservatives with that prejudice", that implies EVERYBODY WHO IS NOT CONSERVATIVE. Please, stop defending yourself and just change your original post so that you are actually articulating the correct idea and we can stop this "Well I said", "Nuh uh, you said this" "Well you're dumb, I meant that!" and you can just be right.
> That is exactly how your original post reads, and anybody else who read it absolutely took it the same way. There is no other meaning to the post.
Oh, so now you're saying your interpretation of my words is the only meaning that my words can have? Fuck you. Taken in context with the post proceeding it it is clear that what I'm saying is that the people that view conservatives in their entirely as being the very worst of conservative belief are being close minded. There's not even anything unreasonable about what I said, you just want to argue.
That isn't what I was saying. I was saying that's the only way that those words can read because it really is. Stop acting so silly and try not to use such harsh language, it makes you look like a jerk and someone not worth paying any mind to.
Also, I was IN THAT CONTEXT and it wasn't clear to me, so I'm going to have to chalk that up to a big fat "No, please just edit your post and articulate yourself better."
Obviously it's not clear. Looking at the context of votes it's so abundantly obvious it's not clear.
But the belief system of today's conservative movement is structured entirely around being a small-minded, hateful nut-job. A person who self-identifies as a conservative today is choosing to align with those views.
Not necessarily. I identify as being fiscally conservative and socially liberal, and I'm registered as independent. You can pick and choose what you believe independent of what the political parties are telling you. I don't choose my beliefs as if I'm rushing a sorority, I chose them based on whether or not I think they're a logical viewpoint to have.
> I'm registered as independent
So you choose not to identify with the conservative parties?
Sounds like you're one of the people he was talking about.
Sounds like you're one of the people I'm talking about.
Edit: it's perfectly reasonable to chose your own beliefs independent of political parties. People on the left have been doing it for years.
Well I'm not, because I'm a former republican that became an independent/liberal and elsewhere in here has been arguing conservatism=\=lunatic social conservatives.
>It's perfectly reasonable to chose your own beliefs independent of political parties. People on the left have been doing it for years.
110% agree. But you shouldn't deny that people are leaving the republicans and becoming independents/moderate democrats because they see the conservative brand as being damaged by the lunatics and don't want to be associated with them. These are the normal conservatives and they just don't want people thinking they're raving loons just because they're conservative. So they become moderates.
Such labels exist within the context of a larger society, so if you choose to apply them to yourself then you're forced to accept the baggage that comes with them. The word conservative has a ton of baggage because the conservative movement (or at least, the loudest and most publicly visible portion of it) has been hijacked by absolutely insane people.
It's a bit like identifying as a feminist on the internet. I believe in the ideals of the word "feminism" as it is defined in the dictionary, but the "movement" is tainted by the ramblings of insane man-hating bloggers to the point that I would never apply the label to myself.
> Why do people think I'm a horrible person just because I claim to be part of a group that is lead by and panders to horrible people?
There's a difference between being a Republican and having fiscally conservative viewpoints.
I don't think this conversation was about Republicans. It's about Conservatives. Specifically, Social Conservatives.
"Transgendered people are mentally ill perverts" is a fiscally conservative viewpoint?
Are you suggesting that this is my viewpoint because I am fiscally conservative? You're conflating ideas here.
Well I mean if the shoe fits