Remember the millionaire who exploited gender issues to take $20k from Kickstarter to send her daughter to RPG-maker camp? The daughter admitted she lost interest in finishing the game and the backers never received the merchandise they were promised. (kickstarter.com)

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288 ups - 73 downs = 215 votes

49 comments submitted at 20:15:55 on Mar 6, 2014 by aerowyn

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  • the_federalist
  • -12 Points
  • 20:34:03, 6 March

I thoroughly reviewed the kickstarter page and the comments. The most recent comment is from February. The girl's dad and brothers are working to complete the project.

I think picking on her is not very fair. Why anyone would expect a 9 YEAR-OLD PERSON of any gender to finish something on their own is beyond me.

Clearly gender was a big part of the project--in her original proposal, the girl wanted to make a statement about getting girls interested in STEM. I don't understand why that's a bad thing nor do I think it's a problem that people wanted to support that. It isn't like she's advocating for girls' gains to come at the expense of boys.

All in all, I don't see a problem here. To be honest, it makes me happy to see a young person, regardless of gender, exhibiting entrepreneurial tendencies and learning about how to raise capital to launch a project for the benefit of consumers or the public. If only more children had such experience.

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  • GuitarsAreKindaCool
  • 20 Points
  • 21:49:54, 6 March

> the girl wanted to make a statement about getting girls interested in STEM.

It would be great if that had been the case.

But the truth is that the girl cared nothing about that. Her mother used this approach to sell the campaign.

> All in all, I don't see a problem here.

But you really should.

> To be honest, it makes me happy to see a young person, regardless of gender, exhibiting entrepreneurial tendencies and learning about how to raise capital to launch a project for the benefit of consumers or the public.

Only that she has no entrepreneurial tendencies but a mother who uses her to raise money.

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  • the_federalist
  • -9 Points
  • 23:09:49, 6 March

If everything that you say is true, I go back to my initial statement. She's 9. Anyone who's met a 9 year old should know better.

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  • GuitarsAreKindaCool
  • 7 Points
  • 23:17:57, 6 March

Just to clarify... your initial statement was?

Was it that picking on her is not fair?

Edit: Because if that was your point, then again: Nobody is picking on the girl. Nobody. We are against the mother who pushed her into this. I guess you haven't seen the first update video were the poor girl is interviewed by her mother?

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  • aerowyn
  • 22 Points
  • 20:39:29, 6 March

It was obvious from the beginning the girl wasn't interested in doing it. Read everything the girl supposedly wrote herself, it doesn't look at all like a 9 year old's writing.

I have no problem supporting the girl, but the mother clearly scammed everyone.

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  • the_federalist
  • -9 Points
  • 23:12:21, 6 March

It's not clear at all, actually. The latest update from the dad states that he's still working on it. Whether the girl finishes the game or her family does, it appears as though the beta is ongoing and the father intends to deliver on the promises.

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  • giegerwasright
  • 5 Points
  • 02:54:13, 7 March

>It's not clear at all,

You're right. It's not clear at all. To you. To those who have a bit more intelligence and willingness to use deductive, inductive, and abductive logic to feel out situational probabilities? To them it was as obvious as the fucking sun.

That it wasn't clear to you should worry you for your own cognitive and observational abilities.

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  • alt30313
  • 5 Points
  • 03:46:53, 7 March

> It isn't like she's advocating for girls' gains to come at the expense of boys.

Pretty sure the mother and daughter used the young males in family as evidence of female oppression. Pretty sure she had a target that would force the boys in her family to be publicly be shamed.

> I don't see a problem here.

The money should have gone to girls that were generally interested in gaming and at a socioeconomic disadvantage. The mother in question had some pretty materialistic self aggrandizing post on the web that were posted at the time of the kickster that were pretty damming.

> a project for the benefit of consumers or the public

the game will do neither.

> The latest update from the dad states that he's still working on it.

Again the whole project was promoted and funded on the idea of gurl power. If the Dad completes the project, its meaningless. The money would have been better allocated to a competent professional or a deserving female.

> Whether the girl finishes the game or her family does If her family does the majority of the work it will be a gurl project in name only. Seriously, would you be ok with me using shills to get money allocated to minorities, gays or girls? Would it be ok as long as the projects get completed?

> Why anyone would expect a 9 YEAR-OLD PERSON of any gender to finish something on their own is beyond me.

Gifted and talented kids are capable of amazing feats. I'm sorry you are average or have never met a young person capable of self directed and awe-inspiring work.

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  • AManAlone
  • 10 Points
  • 23:33:02, 6 March

Well; I look at it like this. If I give money to a charity that ostensibly opens homeless shelters, and then 6 months later I find out they started building one, then said 'fuck it it's too hard' I would want my money back.

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  • GuitarsAreKindaCool
  • 8 Points
  • 23:38:03, 6 March

The comparison doesn't really do this justice. The charity started with good-will. The mother of the girl didn't.

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  • AManAlone
  • 5 Points
  • 23:50:25, 6 March

Agreed, but charity was the only instance I could think of in which people give away money to other people they don't know.

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  • FallingSnowAngel
  • 8 Points
  • 22:34:15, 6 March

This 7 year old child finished her game.

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  • GuitarsAreKindaCool
  • 2 Points
  • 22:46:03, 6 March

Zora Ball!!

<3

  • [-]
  • the_federalist
  • -6 Points
  • 23:10:25, 6 March

I didn't realize 1 instance was indicative of a reliable pattern.

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  • FallingSnowAngel
  • 5 Points
  • 23:27:04, 6 March

So, maybe if we wait another year?

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  • GuitarsAreKindaCool
  • 3 Points
  • 23:43:29, 6 March

This is so great! It seems like good tuition is the key to solving STEM gender issues.

No motivational campaigns and You-Go-Girl campaigns will have the same effect.

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  • giegerwasright
  • 14 Points
  • 23:27:36, 6 March

Nobody's picking on the kid, you fucking idiot. They are holding the mother accountable for fraud.

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  • Theophagist
  • 3 Points
  • 03:08:54, 7 March

You can't be this naive.