South Texas judge famous for viral video of violently beating his daughter loses primary (khou.com)

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2452 comments submitted at 14:59:26 on Mar 5, 2014 by Kijafa

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  • BigFeetsies
  • -131 Points
  • 16:16:05, 5 March

Amazing to me how many people call a less than standard spanking a beating. This is just a spanking. I think this girl also tried to sue her dad for him keeping something he had bought her. She is just a spoiled brat.

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  • zortchit
  • 51 Points
  • 16:20:35, 5 March

Have you watched the video? Nothing in that is a spanking. If that is how you spank please try to implement some other discipline techniques with your children. You put your kids and being an intact family at risk (I'm a cps worker)

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  • BigFeetsies
  • -66 Points
  • 16:26:02, 5 March

I would say the daughter put the family being intact at risk. Especially when she decided to provoke her father to the point she knew she would get a spanking and had the forethought to record it so she could use it as ammunition.

I especially like how she has zero remorse for what she did and even attempted to sue him for a car I believe it was. Hey, she was entitled to that car right?

@jpepe He had already done that. Clearly she didn't respond.

@RolandofLind He was so devoid of love, he paid for pianos, music lessons, college, a car all for her. Yeah...he was terrible.

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  • stanthemanchan
  • 25 Points
  • 16:43:03, 5 March

>I would say the daughter put the family being intact at risk.

No. The father did it when he decided to beat his daughter. If as a parent you ever have to hit your kids to get your point across, you're doing it wrong. Period.

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  • jpepe
  • -10 Points
  • 17:21:25, 5 March

No. Not true. Kids don't respond to time out chairs and getting sent to their rooms. They are like animals without any empathy and must be physically punished to instil virtue.

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  • SerPuissance
  • 4 Points
  • 18:32:49, 5 March

> They are like animals without any empathy and must be physically punished to instil virtue.

See that's aslo interesting because I train dogs, and although I sometimes use aversive corrections (non-painful) on some dogs that respond to it alongside postive reinforcement, I do not physically punish them. I've met plenty of docile but fearful dogs who are the result of beatings and pain conditioning, but they're never as consistently obedient as the ones I train using non painful methods and broad spectrum fulfillment. I only bring it up because of the comparison you made, but it's very interesting that your views on punishment (which in my mind is not the same as discipline) extend to both children and animals.

I'm all for consequences, both positive and negative, but it's very interesting how my observations about behavioural outcomes are so different to yours.

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  • stanthemanchan
  • 3 Points
  • 18:42:11, 5 March

There is a lot of evidence to suggest that the genes for psychopathy are hereditary, so it is entirely possible that jpepe's unfortunate children have inherited his fucked up genes and thus have the same lack of empathy that he has. Of course, their upbringing has a large factor in how the children actually develop into adults, but in this case, since he's obviously not treating them with empathy, they're probably going to grow up into fucked up adults like he is.

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  • SerPuissance
  • 3 Points
  • 18:49:38, 5 March

I'm not a big fan of genetic determinism, however there is certainly strong evidence that supports cultural inheritance. It is quite possible that old cycles of violent child rearing are only beginning to be challenged thanks to more widespread and easily accessed information (like reddit.) My only caveat is that alternative metods being discussed should be clear and have a proven track record. As /u/jpepe says, without any discipline we may well end up with a generation of "punks."

/u/Jpepe probably is what would be considered a good citizen, and probably does attribute his success to the way he was physically disciplined. I turned out the same, but with less pain, fear and trauma. Like the dogs I mentioned, the outcomes between pain conditioning and non-violent reward/correction are broadly similar - however I staunchly stand by my belief that the latter is the most ethical method to elicit desirable behaviours in both children and animals.

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  • stanthemanchan
  • 2 Points
  • 19:06:04, 5 March

The misogyny, homophobia and hostility in jpepe's comment history indicate a less than stable personality. From his example, I would suggest that the violent method of disciplining children may not have as desirable an outcome as he postulates.

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  • SerPuissance
  • 2 Points
  • 19:19:25, 5 March

Dear god, you're not wrong.

>I grew up to be an oustanding citizen (Eagle Scout of the year, 4.0 in college, published in scholarly journals, scholarships, never in any trouble)

Suddenly that rings awfully hollow. Such decorations and achievements are rendered trite and meaningless if they result in such a horrid mindset. Well behind perfect exteriors you'll often find the rot.

EDIT: This is precious. A thread about first dates only a few days old, yet he claims to be engaged. Either things have gone very well indeed, he's lying, or he's a cheating scumbag. I'll take lying for $500, Alex.

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  • stanthemanchan
  • 1 Points
  • 19:31:12, 5 March

BTW, genetic determinism has often been incorrectly oversimplified to be used by racist and bigots in justifying their horrid world views but it is obvious that genetics do play a role in setting up the starting conditions for the development of behaviour and personality traits.

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  • SerPuissance
  • 1 Points
  • 19:35:53, 5 March

Yeh I didn't mean to come off as dismissing it entirely, I'm not a big fan for the very reasons you just cited. Genetic predisposition is definitely a thing but is way more complex than is often talked about as you said. It's for much cleverer minds than mine ;).

But seeing as he's a depressed guy with possibly spurious gender issues and a known troll who sends hate PM's to transwomen, I'm starting to think you were right on the money. I just feel bad for him now :(. Well it's been fun peeking behind the scenes, now to make dinner. Auf wiedersehen matey.

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  • el_guapo_malo
  • 0 Points
  • 22:07:33, 5 March

It's ok, I got your sarcasm.

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  • JVonDron
  • 7 Points
  • 17:20:49, 5 March

> I would say the daughter put the family being intact at risk.

The family was already split by the time the video surfaced. His wife divorced him 7 years ago, and despite the split, he's been abusive through harassing texts and other legal threats since. It's almost textbook abusive narcissistic behavior how he shamed and brainwashed his wife, and was harsh with his kids on many occasions. Refusing to acknowledge Hillary's CP because it would reflect badly on him, calling her a 'retard,' and sending her younger sister to an adult gym because 'You're a fat fucking pig.'

>Especially when she decided to provoke her father to the point she knew she would get a spanking and had the forethought to record it so she could use it as ammunition.

She set up the camera half an hour beforehand, so she might have known this was coming. But she also knew his reaction would be severe enough that it would be worth recording. If a child knows what they did is wrong enough to deserve a beating, you don't have to follow through and actually beat them. That's the time to teach, especially to a 16 year old who can be treated in a much more adult manner.

>I especially like how she has zero remorse for what she did

Nice twist there. The judge has zero remorse too. He does not admit any wrongdoing or guilt. Remember, he's a judge presiding over child abuse cases and sees this shit every day - yet it's perfectly ok for him to whip his disabled daughter 20+ times to cause harsh bruises, make it difficult for her to walk, and say 'Good.' when she complains about it the next day.

>even attempted to sue him for a car I believe it was. Hey, she was entitled to that car right?

Uh, no. That's not how it went down. He wanted her to go back to college or he'd take away her car and cell phone that he was paying for. She was otherwise financially independent, opted out of continuing college, and offered to buy the car from him on a payment plan. All normal family stuff, but this is where it turns. He refused, and after a bitter back and forth, she brought up that she had been withholding the tape and threatened to make it public. The judge didn't budge and thought it couldn't affect him at all. He was wrong. More than anything though, she wanted the community to know who the perfect judge really was, and wanted her dad to get help so they could have a normal relationship again.

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  • BigFeetsies
  • -8 Points
  • 17:31:28, 5 March

What you are describing is extortion by her. That is FAR worse than what I thought. She really is just a terrible, terrible person. I hope the judge can move on. Perhaps someone should offer to beat him publicly the same way to get his job back.

I'm sure he'd take it because it really wasn't a big deal at all.

Also, someone mentioned bruising. I'm CERTAIN if there were any, this girl would have recorded it.

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  • JVonDron
  • 4 Points
  • 17:55:08, 5 March

Extortion? She wanted to make payments on a car and live her own life - even if that meant dropping out of college and working in a video store. He used shiny expensive gifts to bolster his appearance in the community and then use them as leverage to get his daughter to do what he wanted.

She didn't want to destroy his life, and couldn't predict how far this would go. He dared her to post it, and after being on the receiving end of so many threats, she made good on hers. I'm not saying she's 100% clean here, but she's not the abusive asshole.

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  • el_guapo_malo
  • 2 Points
  • 22:08:37, 5 March

Hey. I don't really know you or anything about your personal life, but you seem like a disgusting human being. I hope you one day realize just how stupidly vile you sound right now but I really doubt that will ever happen.

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  • duckvimes_
  • 2 Points
  • 19:56:01, 5 March

You're defending a person who beat his own daughter and blaming the victim. You're disgusting.

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  • [deleted]
  • -2 Points
  • 21:13:14, 5 March

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  • duckvimes_
  • 1 Points
  • 21:34:19, 5 March

What? You're trolling, right? Please tell me you're trolling. He beat her with his belt. You can watch the video yourself.

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  • [deleted]
  • 0 Points
  • 23:42:32, 5 March

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  • Mousse_is_Optional
  • 1 Points
  • 00:06:57, 6 March

That is some of the dumbest logic I've ever seen on Reddit.

So if he would consent to the beating for huge compensation, then that must mean it's okay for him to do that to his daughter against her will?

Tell you what. I'd take that beating for, say, $100,000, so that must mean I could give you that same beating for absolutely nothing and it'd be okay.

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  • mattindustries
  • 18 Points
  • 16:42:07, 5 March

With those types of people, anything and everything will set them off. Just hitting record the instant they are in one of their moods will capture something most likely. You sound like an abuser trying to rationalize their actions.

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  • RolandofLineEld
  • 3 Points
  • 17:24:52, 5 March

O yea because the abusive father who is devoid of love isn't doing anything to tear the family apart

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  • BigFeetsies
  • -54 Points
  • 16:21:53, 5 March

I've watched it. It's been a while. Tell me the part where it's more than a spanking. Lets define it. Is it when she cried? Also, I have zero respect for your title. Let's define what's going on. Let's analyze it.

>Response to Toronto_Raptors since reddit makes you wait to post unpopular stuff: That's an attempt at characterization. Analyze it. You're afraid your popular conclusion won't hold up in my opinion.

>Response to Aimelee: He never HIT her. That is a lie.

>Response to Surely_Jackson: Yes she seems so terribly unintelligent now. Also not any doctor, etc. will tell you that, only the ones you're seeking for confirmation bias.

>Response to lickylou: He did attempt to communicate many times previously. She still stole stuff. Then what?

>Response to mudcathi: So, it's the angry yelling you're opposed to? Also, a wide belt rarely does permanent damage. That's why they are used to spank.

>Response to InterspaceAlien: He had already punished her multiple times. My kids are grown and both very successful. I spanked them when they were younger here and there. They knew I loved them but they had better take what I say seriously.

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  • Toronto_Raptors
  • 28 Points
  • 16:25:44, 5 March

Just cause you had trouble getting off to it doesn't mean it wasn't severe.

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  • bondinspace
  • 5 Points
  • 17:33:45, 5 March

Come on, if you can't convince a 16-year-old not to do something you either need to reconsider how important it is to you, or consider you might be an incompetent parent. I think physical discipline is warranted with young children who aren't necessarily capable of reason, but seriously? A 16-year-old? He needs to read up on Aristotle's appeals.

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  • cmdrkeen2
  • 0 Points
  • 16:43:19, 5 March

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl9y3SIPt7o has the video.

I was hoping to be helpful and also give you a time to skip to so that you two could debate if it is a spanking, but I just watched the whole thing and I am not sure which part wasn't a spanking.

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  • Surely_Jackson
  • 29 Points
  • 16:28:24, 5 March

Any doctor, psychologist, or childcare professional will tell you that the behavior exhibited in that video is traumatic for the child and is strongly correlated with later emotional disturbance and even mental illness and low IQ. It's a horrible idea, it's lazy, ignorant parenting, and it's abuse.

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  • onafarawaybeach
  • 23 Points
  • 16:34:03, 5 March

Poor BigFeetsies, probably got beat by their parents and can't admit it was wrong. It's not your fault.

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  • BigFeetsies
  • -15 Points
  • 16:38:12, 5 March

Characterization with no analysis. No one can point to the beating part.

>This is NOT a beating. You don't use a wide belt that inflicts no long term damage to beat someone. You are having an emotional reaction the the girl crying.

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  • Discoamazing
  • 7 Points
  • 17:05:50, 5 March

The whole video shows a beating. A serious fucking beating.

I got spanked as a kid too, but it was NOTHING like this. How can treating a young adult/teenager like this be justified in your mind?

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  • bamfmeat
  • 3 Points
  • 17:23:04, 5 March

He himself called it a beating. You can try to justify this however you want but if it leaves a bruise or a mark, its child abuse. Period.

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  • DatJazz
  • 3 Points
  • 17:34:35, 5 March

I really hope you don't have children you deluded fucking idiot. Seriously, I hope you get castrated.

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  • emptyhands
  • 1 Points
  • 17:48:23, 5 March

The beating part was where the adult's leather belt hit the child's body in anger, causing pain and no doubt visible injury. In the video the adult calls it "beating" while he is doing it.

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  • BigFeetsies
  • -3 Points
  • 17:41:41, 5 March

@bamfmeat I'm sure if it left bruising, she would have recorded it. As to a mark, that's just silly.

@DatJazz Too late. I had 2 kids. They're grown now. Both are happy and successful. Go figure right.

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  • lickylou
  • 29 Points
  • 16:24:28, 5 March

That's not a spanking where I'm from, it's far too aggresive. He uses the word 'beat' repeatedly. At the age of 16 that form of discipline shouldn't be necessary, you should be trying to communicate with your child properly. Astonishingly bad parenting on show.

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  • JAYDEA
  • 17 Points
  • 16:36:15, 5 March

Who 'spanks' a 16 year old? That's absurd.

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  • BelaBartok42
  • 2 Points
  • 17:06:08, 5 March

Yeah once I turned about that age if you wanted to spank me it was gonna be a fight.

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  • mudcathi
  • 14 Points
  • 16:41:56, 5 March

You know, yelling "I'm gonna beat you into submission" and "Get on the fuckin bed" while repeatedly hitting someone with a leather strap aren't considered less than a standard spanking any more.

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  • aimeelee76
  • 26 Points
  • 16:21:37, 5 March

Hitting people, especially people who are much smaller than you and rely on you for almost everything, is abuse, regardless of whether you call it spanking or beating.

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  • neketa1
  • 8 Points
  • 16:51:52, 5 March

Less than a standard spanking? He whipped her with a belt repeatedly for over a minute. His dialogue was textbook verbal abuse. If you think that this was "less than a standard spanking", you should probably seek help yourself.

I hope to god you don't have kids.

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  • InterspaceAlien
  • 8 Points
  • 16:47:56, 5 March

If that's your idea of punishing a 16 year old for apparently downloading music and games illegally then I honestly feel sorry for you and any kids you might have man. Seriously.

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  • daxron
  • 5 Points
  • 16:53:08, 5 March

You are a heartless asshole who doesn't love his daughter if you beat her that hard. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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  • sagmin
  • 0 Points
  • 17:04:33, 5 March

Why is everyone taking you seriously? You're very clearly a downvote troll.

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  • mandorable
  • 1 Points
  • 17:16:45, 5 March

Even if it were just a spanking, and it's not, if you find you have to spank your 16 year old in order to discipline them you've already lost the game. Send them to live with an aunt or uncle who may actually do some good in their lives, you are a failure as a parent.

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  • WorldBFree
  • -3 Points
  • 17:48:24, 5 March

Agreed. Fuck that kid. But fuck judges too.

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  • The_Fan
  • -54 Points
  • 16:20:49, 5 March

Yeah, no one likes spoiled brats but when a father tries to prevent that hes suddenly an awful person who should lose his livelihood.

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  • tired1
  • 14 Points
  • 16:48:27, 5 March

Beating someone to stop them from being a spoiled brat is ineffective, ignorant, and lazy fucking parenting.

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  • redsolitary
  • 10 Points
  • 16:50:44, 5 March

If you have to beat your kids to get them to listen to you then you are a shitty parent.

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  • l0rdishtar
  • 5 Points
  • 17:06:38, 5 March

How does beating her into submission prevent anything? What's the takeaway lesson you think she'll suddenly grasp after a beatdown at age 16? He's supposed to be the adult but in reality he's just like any other schoolyard bully.