"Jared Leto's performance was basically Blackface." Some people not happy with cisgendered guy playing a trans person. (np.reddit.com)
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284 comments submitted at 04:41:51 on Mar 3, 2014 by bluemayhem
"Jared Leto's performance was basically Blackface." Some people not happy with cisgendered guy playing a trans person. (np.reddit.com)
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284 comments submitted at 04:41:51 on Mar 3, 2014 by bluemayhem
It's not that he isn't gay, it's that he threw his entire genre under the bus and used it is a springboard to get more popular.
As opposed to T-Pain who does a shitton of work for gay rights and doesn't constantly publicize it or profit off of it.
EDIT,: Didn't realize this sub was as narrowminded and backwards as the defaults.
Holy shit I thought you guys were a little better than this. Gleefully unsubbing.
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Are you saying the hiphop genre doesn't deserve to be "thrown under the bus", aka publicly called out for their hypocrisies and hatred towards gay people? I don't see it as a springboard at all. If you want to change public opinion, of course you have to publicize it. Doing stuff quietly isn't going to make most people shut up and think.
Hip-Hop has changed quite a bit in the past several years, as seen by T-Pain's work, Frank Ocean's almost complete acceptance, the shunning of artists like DMX, and Busta Rhymes' own 180 on the issue.
What he's done in the song is put himself above Hip-Hop as a whole saying that the entire genre except him has an issue with it, when in fact its made HUGE strides in the past.
We see rappers like Kanye, Jay-Z, Black Thought, etc coming out in support of gay rights, all the big names.
Hip-Hop largely has abandoned its issues with homophobia, but apparently the public hasn't noticed because it's been an organic change with no need for a "rallying cry" or anything of the sort.
But he isn't talking exclusively about artists and their public opinions. He's talking about the audience. He brings up YouTube comments, and message boards. It's not about big stars expressing support, but about the casual attitude, which comes off hateful, regardless of the actual intent.
Also, those rappers may support gay rights, but have they stopped using the slurs in a derogatory fashion in their songs?
He says Hip-Hop, the fans are brought up but they're hardly the focus and they aren't the genre.
And the point here is it's simply preaching to the choir, no one will be convinced by the song, it's patting himself on the back and free activism points.
Also they have mostly stopped slurs. Eminem is now regularly criticized for it.
You go ahead and think that, if you want. As a member of a sexual minority though, I'm fucking grateful for any and every one who actually does something for tolerance more than just "Oh yeah, sure, I guess I think gays should have rights" in an interview when specifically asked.
I'm not knocking on people who do more, I just think it's ridiculous to scoff at Macklemore. Making a hit song that will make some bigots confront their issues does a lot more than I think you think it does.
I will think it, I think a near unanimous change in thought that didn't need a massive outcry or spokesperson is much more important and telling than a 4-minute pat on his own back for not being a bigot.
EDIT: And being in the minority does not change how the facts have played out.
>near unanimous change in thought
When dudes who throw the word faggot around stop getting record deals I'll believe that. Maybe Tyler and Em aren't "really" homophobic and, shit, they even have gay friends, but they help continue a culture in which it's okay to use orientation as an insult.
Eminem is regularly criticized for it, but has been on a label for a long time, that won't change.
Tyler is a weird case with a flawed sense of activism behind it, but if I recall is still independent.
EDIT: and orientation isn't usually the insult the same way race isn't with the n-word in the music.
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People disagreeing with you = narrow minded.
top kek.
Being set in the old ways and not researching for themselves is though.
Nah, I'm taking no sides here (actually I'm inclined to agree with you). I'm merely commenting on your immature way of dealing with criticism and disagreement.
> it's that he threw his entire genre under the bus
His entire genre is pretty damn homophobic.
*was, educate yourself or see my other comments.
So you say. Of course we still have shit like this in one of the top rap songs of last year.
>I'll still be able to break a mothafuckin' table
>Over the back of a couple of faggots and crack it in half
And
>You fags think it's all a game, 'til I walk a flock of flames
>Off a plank and, tell me what in the fuck are you thinking?
>Little gay-looking boy
>So gay I can barely say it with a straight face, looking boy
Here's Commons take on it:
>You couldn't hang if you was a poster
>Posing like a bitch for exposure
>It's rumors of gay emcees, just don't come around me with it
>You still rockin hickies, don't let me find out he did it
Danny Brown
>Fuck you and your tough talk
>When I monopolize I throw your ass off the boardwark
>Fag, you ain't play sports but always at the ball park?
Make sure Mac Miller gets a word in:
> And what is a graffiti artist if he don’t tag?
> No homophobia, but he’s a fag"
And
>You a fag, this is forever, ladies in love with my agenda.
> My name’s somethin’ these girls remember
I won't even bother quoting Immortal Technique or Jedi Mind Tricks
Eminem, Common, and Vinnie Paz are regularly criticized and put on blast for that shit, if you're gonna cherry pick, get your facts straight. The slur is still a problem of course, I won't deny that, but you can't discredit the fact that they make it clear it isn't used against gay people. Tyler himself states that it's used because it's powerful and hateful, not because it has anything to do with homosexuals.
EDIT: And the Danny Brown lyric is outdated, it's an older song of his and he's stated in interviews since last year and on how pro-gay rights he is.
>you can't discredit the fact that they make it clear it isn't used against gay people
Care to reread my quotes and say that it isn't used against gay people? Almost every one I presented you is belittling the idea of being homosexual because of it's nature, not because of they're redefining the word "fag". The only one of those I quoted that could come close to using that excuse was Mac Miller.
At this point you're just excusing the fact that homophobia is still extremely prevalent in hip hop. It's not difficult to find slurs or outright discriminatory statements and you certainly can't say it was in the past. It's getting better but that's not saying all that much. Those artists receive very little repercussions for what they're saying even if you try to claim they're "put on blast". I love hip hop but it has a long way to go before you can refer to it's homophobia in the past tense.
I wish I wasn't at work, it would take less than half the time to find a multitude of rappers who are on the opposite. Homophobia is definitely in the minority now.
Hopefully an /r/hhh member who isn't working can get some knowledge in here.
EDIT: Also goddamn what's with the condescension and hatefulness in every discussion on this pathetic fucking website.
> Also goddamn what's with the condescension and hatefulness in every discussion on this pathetic fucking website.
What are you talking about? Chill
That's what I thought, shame I invested time into this.
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EDIT: Also, you're using an old Danny Brown lyric, he's stated in interviews last year and on that he's turned a corner there.
I agree things are definitely getting better, and Murs Animal Style and B Dolan's Which Side Are You On? were two well done pro-LGBT songs that deserve more recognition, and were actually released just before Same Love, but the argument that "it has nothing to do with being gay" for the use of faggot is poor tbh. There are artists who have specifically spoken out against using that word (Kanye back in '05, Brother Ali, B Dolan, and if IIRC Immortal Technique has actually said he doesn't use it any more) but there's still a significant number of artists who do use it.
Yeah, but let's be honest, did modern mainstream hiphop not deserve to be thrown under a bus?
If by modern you mean about a decade ago.