You know what the red pill needs? A racial slant. (np.reddit.com)
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371 comments submitted at 21:26:17 on Mar 1, 2014 by meltedmuffin
You know what the red pill needs? A racial slant. (np.reddit.com)
SubredditDrama
495 ups - 185 downs = 310 votes
371 comments submitted at 21:26:17 on Mar 1, 2014 by meltedmuffin
Hello. I am a member of asianmasculinity, and I found out that one of my posts was linked here.
I'm not familiar with this subreddit, so I'm genuinely curious what your purpose for linking my thread was.
It is true that most asian male stereotypes in the media is as asexual nerds with social issues. Also, asians constitute about 5% of the US population, so not nearly as much as blacks or hispanics. So it happens that many people's views of asians are primarily from what they see in the media rather than having any actual asian friends.
The subreddit linked here is let asian men discuss this problem and to break out of stereotypes. The thread linked in this is one of many that illustrates the problem. Another good one is the okcupid study that demonstrates that a profile with an asian picture needs to make $250,000 more a year than the same profile with a white dude picture to get the same amount of responses. For example, this is important to know so that asian males can steer clear of internet dating and focus on social dating where they are not so badly stereotyped.
As with dislodging any stereotype, any form of discussion is encouraged. I'm happy that more people are linking to my threads :)
All that happens here is someone links to a thread that appears to have a lot of drama, name calling ,or what not...basically people taking reddit WAY too seriously. And we make smart ass, stupid, whatever comments, often times creating drama ourselves here.
No one is suppose to go other there and mess with the thread. Its just observing.
so is the purpose just to make fun of people then? I don't get it.
btw, if you have any questions about asian american male issues, let me know. I guess I'm just a little confused.
Respectfully, isn't the whole idea of "masculinity" simply another collection of stereotypes? It seems you are simply fighting one set of preconceived notions to embrace another.
Nailed it.
No, go outside and look at life. Male birds act differently than female birds. Male lions act differently than females. Females hyenas have high testosterone so they have giant clits that look like penises and they are more aggressive than the males.
There are observable and statistically significant trends when it comes to "masculinity."
Well, let me ask you this. I'm a dwarf who breaks bones rather consistently. In nature, I'm lion food. So, by the naturalistic standard you're using, I'm disqualified from masculinity altogether. Does that not hint to you that the lives and interactions of animals may not be a good standard to inform human behavior?
>I'm a dwarf who breaks bones rather consistently.
I thought this was a threat at first, pretty disappointed it wasn't.
I'm a lover not a fighter.
My stepbrother is Blixx of the Micro Wrestling League. He'll kick your ass. (And seriously, he had the same problem with broken bones, which scared the shit out of my mom when he decided his dream was to wrestle.)
But- but- how will we ever be able to stereotype each other if we don't resort to daft animal metaphors and misinterpreted evolutionary psychology?
Most men want to be masculine, so it's safe to say that most men are seeking a masculine frame somehow. You can still be masculine, but won't be able to express it in traditional ways. And you can do it in ways others can not. However these masculine traits seem to be an ethos on the male bell curve.
I encourage you to read TechnoFix it is written by a highly educated male and female. The book has many sources and footnotes.
The book is not associated with TRP and AsianMascunlity. In my opinion and on my take on the book we live in an unnatural world. We created advance technology and lost some human/animal aspect.
I need glasses in order to see, in a natural world I would probably be killed off. A person with your conditions would probably be killed off too. I'm not suggesting that people with disadvantages should die but in a natural world we most likely would have.
I think it's ignorant to ignore the fact that we are animals as well. Other animals can provide many benefits to us humans, which is why we try to keep them alive and research them. I did not suggest that animals are the standard for human beings. I was pointing out that testosterone and the behaviours associated with having it is in fact something that is observable and not just a "stereotype."
While you may not be the most "masculine" person, you are still a male. I do not see why people have to take offense to that fact. Masculinity and Femininity are hormonal and behavioral traits that are on a spectrum. They are correlated with gender but not the determining indicator of gender. Gender is based on which chromosomes you have.
I encourage you to say the some words to normal human beings in the real world, and see what kind of reaction you get.
I'm not a social outcast you project me to be.
> see what kind of reaction you get.
As if I care about their reactions.
>but you are still a male
That is an incredibly binary gender system you're using, not counting at all for people who fall between or outside of the traditional "male" or "female" genders.
Most people fall in a gender binary system. So there is nothing wrong about talking about subjects assuming the other party also assumes we are talking gender binary. For instance, when I say get me some girl shoes. It's safe to assume pink shoes that are smaller are something to grab. Since more people realize a vast majority would consider these girl shoes. Life would be awfully in cumbersome if we had to assume as well that it may be for a trans female so I had to clarify if I wanted much larger shoes or not.
The same goes with genders. When talking about genders we just both assume we are talking about those genders that sit in that very clear chunk of the bell curve.
No, you are discounting them for me. I'm referring to chromosomes which are proven that we have them. Also chromosomes are not binary you can have more x's and more y's they cause different defects in people. I do not care about trans-sexuals and w/e terms for other sexualities you can come up with. With that being said they are obviously people too but irrelevant to what I'm talking about.
sex =/= gender
>Gender is based on which chromosomes you have.
What you're referring to is the sex of a person, whereas gender is psychologically defined by the individual. You are incorrectly using gender as an interchangeable substitute for a person's sex.
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There's also been some research showing that injured and infirm members of human ancestral societies were at least sometimes looked after. Healed fractures in crucial bones like the femur, bones showing severe arthritis, and the like. We are highly social and we love our families.
Also remember that the most masculine/alpha/successful whatever you want to call it may get more sex. But that doesn't mean other people get none. If you want to use an animal analogy, consider the cuttlefish. The big males will fight over the females, expending a great deal of energy on flashy shows and occasional acts of aggression. They then guard the female until she's receptive. But there are small males as well. Do they just never get any? Nope. They change their color pattern to that of a female, sneak past the guarding male, and mate with the female. Alphaness is not the only behavior rewarded evolutionarily. Cleverness is also rewarded.
> were at least sometimes looked after.
That's cool.
> But that doesn't mean other people get none.
That doesn't mean we want to get shit on for being nice or upholding to principle, or laid like once a year. I got laid and other stuff before I even knew about TRP or cared about masculinity.
I suggest that people let us be our form of "masculine." You can be gay, transsexual, or w/e you want to call yourself. But if we give you that opportunity. Then leave us "masculine" guys to our thoughts, ideas and identity, as long as we do nothing significant to harm you.
These people obviously don't get the point. When we discuss these things we understand life isn't absolute and we sit in a bell curve. They always want to point out how there are exceptions. And since there are exceptions talking about the generalities is wrong.
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> so is the purpose just to make fun of people then?
In a way, but its not simply to be jerks. Its too easy to find people on reddit that you really want to talk some sense into, but they're so unreasonable that you don't have a chance in hell of doing so. So basically the mentality here is if we can't put out the fire, we may as well just sit back together and enjoy it with laughs.
>so is the purpose just to make fun of people then?
Nah. It's more like the crowd that inevitably forms around a schoolyard fight. We just like rubbernecking.
Not really make fun of people...more of their behavior I guess.
Is it true that Asian women have vaginas that are horizontal instead of vertical?
yes, but asian eyes are also slanted from birth, so the vaginas look straight to us. it's actually been debated for a long time among asian men whether asian vaginas are indeed slanted or if it's just our eyes playing tricks on us.
any other questions?
Nah...that was it. Thanks!
> Respectfully, isn't the whole idea of "masculinity" simply another collection of stereotypes? It seems you are simply fighting one set of preconceived notions to embrace another.
No response to this?
There is a definition of it. It's pretty clear what masculinity is as it goes across cultures.
That's like saying black dudes who don't want to get lynched are just trying to make another stereotype of not being normal dudes.
> so is the purpose just to make fun of people then? I don't get it.
This is my area of research. Sadly, they are a bunch of internet bullies with no life for the most part. I'm sure most of them don't even know why they do this. It's quite amazing to see.
It's organized conformation bias.
They go out to "enemy" subs, go through hundreds of comments to find "someone from group X said a dumb thing," then post here and pretend that the someone represents group X as a whole.
Yes, I can see how Asian guys who grew up with the geek stereotype who decide that they want to turn a new chapter in their life and work on themselves would be a target if ridicule.
Respect for what you say /r/asianmasculinity is trying to do. However, bro-ing out about being 'pua' and an 'alpha' will get you linked here.That stuff is silly and deserves to be mocked.
you might be interested to find that the title of this thread actually has almost nothing to do with the content of the thread that it points to. :)
bring on the downvotes!!
So I'm an Asian American male who is actually asexual and nerdy. Would I be welcomed in your subreddit?
Haha join us :). Someday when you realize that your dick isn't just for peeing, we'll be a good community for you.
>Someday when you realize that your dick isn't just for peeing
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way, but thanks anyways
Dude, you don't pee out your dick? What happened?
I was born that way. I pee out of my butt instead.
I honestly have no idea if you're fucking with me or not, so I'm just gonna let this go.
lol no. The only times I pee out my butt is when I have severe diarrhea.
We have nothing against nerds. Most of us are probably nerdy as well. The subreddit might not interest you though since it is about sexuality: Straight Asian males and straight/bi sexual females.
That's our focus; that doesn't mean other forms of sexuality do not exist.
What excludes bisexual males?
No exclusion, but we obvious won't be talking about banging other dudes. Hence why I didn't think to include bisexual males.
What is more manlier than banging a dude? Rock hard bod for a rock hard cock.
According to some gay guy on TRP. He actually prefers manly men and not twinks. It's just that most of us are going to be straight and we won't talk about it unless some interesting Asian gay guy comes and makes a post.
did you really just say that
awww man, I was kinda hoping you be a bit more of an asshole about it,
SRD is basically where people post little spats and arguments that happen on reddit so we can all have a giggle at the absurdity of it.
In principle I agree with subreddits like yours, but go and take a look at /r/TheRedPill , hopefully you'll see how hostile it can be, asianmasculinity has good content, it raises awareness by posting interviews and stats saying "here's what's happening, here's how some people perceive you" but then it's backing that up with:
"Couchsurfing Field Report: Hong Kong girls, part 2"
That's nice that you had a good laugh at my expense. It's cool though.
I do think asian male charicatures in the US is a big problem though and asianmasculinity is going about it in the best way possible.
Now I'm curious, what's the problem with current asian male caricatures?
Mostly sad nerds or "the one"
Aren't there plenty of other people of different races with the same "problem" ?
Really, Asian men and Black women are in their own category.
Their sexual attractiveness is actively degraded by the media, and as a result, they have a difficult time finding potential mates, especially in heavily preferences-driven situations like online dating.
Yea it's an issue most minority groups face. You can either be hated for being a stereotype or be hated for not being a stereotype.
I get /r/Asianmasculinity I don't think it's some sort of radical sub. It's seems like a group of dudes trying to define who they are in a society that already has.
Yes but there are enough people within the Asian culture to warrant the stereotype.
I'd argue that racial caricatures of any kind are a big problem, especially in a country as diverse as the US.
hear hear
Much respect for trying to break the stereotypes dude. A couple questions though that I'm sure everyone is wondering about - is this sub like /r/TheRedPill where women, gays, and "betas" are hated on?
*[silliness redacted to protect baddlegruzer's internet points]
seduction and RedPillers are crazy, but I do think that for some people for whatever reasons in their life, it is an important phase to go through, as long as that is all it is, a phase. If you want a good discussion and advice on post-feminism masculinity, I would suggest purplepilldiscussion or alreadyred. 21convention is good as well.
please rephrase the second part of your question. It doesn't really make sense in its current form.
...aaand I once again learn the valuable lesson of reading the entire comments of linked post. Forget about the second part of the question, I'm gonna edit that out for preservation of precious karmas.
Even on TRP, women and gays are not hated on. Women get a lot of flak because of the crap they do for attention and screwing people over. There are plenty of examples on the TRP that show case these behaviours. I have seen and read posts where gay guys are up-voted and well received.
At asianmasculinity we don't "hate" betas. We dislike wimpy men who won't acknowledge their issues or work on them. For example it's fine if you don't want to have some over confident traits but if you go and complain that you lose all these girls to assholes then really, that's on you for not acknowledging female sexual tendencies.
> Women are not hated on
Have you actually read anything posted on TRP? Apparently not.
Criticism and being disgusted by nasty behaviour has nothing to do with hating the entire gender.
If you think some criticism and noting of shitty behaviour to be "hate" then you are way too sensitive and delusional.
I've been reading TRP for months looking at the good information and the crap information.
Also if you attribute an opinion that a select few have and then attribute that to the entire population you are heavily biased.
The top, stickied right now is literally titled Treating Women Like Children. How can you tell me that a subreddit that advocates that an entire gender has the mental capacities of a child and thus should be treated like them is not sexist?
I've read upvoted comments on that sub stating outright that women, outside of their vaginas, are inherently worthless. I'm not exaggerating in the slightest. How can you defend that?
Oh wait! I know how! You're sexist.
> My wife deals with million dollar accounts and is leaned on heavily by super ultra serious business men for information that is imperative for formulating their business intelligence. She really is a brilliant woman and there is no doubt I am better for knowing her.
Top comment 264/47 ratio, in the same thread.
> You're sexist
Yes, I do note observable differences in behaviour between men and women, but I do also think that women have the absolute right to do masculine things such as being bread winners or being highly accomplished,and etc. However calling masculine traits, feminine traits is down right destroying any sensibility in the English language.
> Treating Women Like Children.
> entire gender
Yeah no. There is no indicator of using the word "all" ie. "Treat All Women like children." You're are the one making it fallacious.
Let's agree that singling out specific comments can't tell us much about the trends in the opinions of the entire subreddit, and accept that you and I have come to very different conclusions on the atmosphere of the sub.
I can tell you this: I can't browse TRP for more than a few minutes without becoming so saddened and disgusted by the attitudes there that I have to leave. I'm generally stoic and thick-skinned. The only other communities that evoke this reaction in me are the worst, most racist ones.
> I can tell you this: I can't browse TRP for more than a few minutes without becoming so saddened and disgusted by the attitudes there that I have to leave.
A year back and I would agree with you. However, after being with a nasty person who openly admitted to me that she manipulates her social circle to her whim and then hanging out with feminists who spout arguments that make no sense and treats her caring and providing father like shit; makes me understand why some guys flock to TRP.
A few bad people shouldn't ruin your perception of an entire gender. Shitty women exist! But that's because shitty people exist! Those negative experiences don't justify the hateful TRP attitude.
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\>implying that being the bread winner or highly accomplished is a masculine trait
lol
Betas?
Like the fish? Do you guys really categorize complex human creatures into such simplistic dichotomies?
Halp, TheFoodPellet! My betta much lazy fish! All he do all day, he sit in fake leaves, he blow bubbles, he let fish food sink ALLLLL the way down to bottom of bowl. HALP
If you have any reading comprehension I said "wimpy men." Beta is a set of traits, most people are using the term as short hand for w/e traits they are talking about. English is pretty ambiguous so it's not always clear what someone means by beta.
> complex human creatures
This is an annoying high horse mentality. We are nothing special but a bunch of elements. Every facet of life is complicated and complex. I.e on the molecular level, the atomic level, and so on.
Humans are just glorified animals. In fact we do not categorize in only Alpha and Beta.
Also, the person I was commenting on used the word beta. I was simply referring to the word they used. You are the one who asks fallacious questions.
>Women get a lot of flak because of the crap they do for attention and screwing people over.
People do a lot of crap for attention and screw people over, that's not a gendered thing at all
Apples are red. This statement does not imply that apples can not be green, other objects can not be red.
On the TRP the speakers are male and they are mostly observing female behaviour.
No one is that fucking stupid to think that only women do stupid crap. It's obvious that men do shitty things as well.
Fair enough, but to be honest this is viewed as a to-may-toe to-mah-toe issue with some if it's hatred or not. Is the subreddit mission statement to exclude wimpy men or to recruit and educate them?
No idea why your getting downvotes here, nothing wrong about your post. But yeah, tone it down with the "Alpha" stuff, it makes you look like a tool.
Because he is part of red pill philosophy. I got bored and did a 30 second look through his history.
Let's see, was subbed to TRP but got tired of it. Think the blue pill is worse than the red pill. Is part of a sub called alreadyred, which is quite literally another redpill sub.
So since he basically is part of TheRedPill (even if he denies it) and people here dislike it more than SRS it seems, it should be pretty obvious why he got downvoted. Also coming to SRD when you're the drama because you're an idiot doesn't help him.
That help you out?